UHC CEO Gunned Down in Midtown Manhattan

[Anonymous]

I posted upthread about having a schizophrenic sibling. This is exactly what we think triggered her schizophrenia. I found several psychiatrist podcasts that talk about this. What's notable is that marijuana seemed to be the worst drug for triggering schizophrenia. I voted against legalization of marijuana for this reason. It is too easy to get access now. Her psychotic break was 7 years ago and we've given up on the idea that she may get back to her old self. She's gone. It's sad.

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I agree. Previously, I had been pretty much in support of legalize (don't criminalize) drugs. Especially for medical/pain needs.

But now, I worry if pot is widely legalized, how many young adults will have a similar reaction as my son did.

How many cases of Schizophrenia/Bipolar that would have remained "unsurfaced" will now become realized because of pot usage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I posted upthread about having a schizophrenic sibling. This is exactly what we think triggered her schizophrenia. I found several psychiatrist podcasts that talk about this. What's notable is that marijuana seemed to be the worst drug for triggering schizophrenia. I voted against legalization of marijuana for this reason. It is too easy to get access now. Her psychotic break was 7 years ago and we've given up on the idea that she may get back to her old self. She's gone. It's sad.

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I agree. Previously, I had been pretty much in support of legalize (don't criminalize) drugs. Especially for medical/pain needs.

But now, I worry if pot is widely legalized, how many young adults will have a similar reaction as my son did.

How many cases of Schizophrenia/Bipolar that would have remained "unsurfaced" will now become realized because of pot usage.

Yes, exactly. I'm sorry you and your son are dealing with this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My son has an MS in a tech field. Smart 1580 SAT kid, gifted, tons of friends, never misbehaved even as a toddler. Around age 27 he started saying his co-workers were laughing at his ideas during meetings (I didn't believe it). He took his passport on a day trip to DC. Why? In case he needed to flee to Canada on short notice (paranoia).

He also started doing a lot of book reading and posting philosophical stuff on SM that sounded similar to Luigi in that it was "deep", but to me, unintelligible. I'm a retired engineer, but had no idea what he was saying.

Then he went radio silent on me for almost a year. Out of the blue he called, very manic and excited that he had the secret to world peace, blah blah.

I finally called my ex and he hopped on a plane. By the time he got there, our son was in a full on psychotic episode where he thought he was in a different dimension.

Thank goodness his roommate knew to call police trained in mental issues. He told the police his dad was really an imposter.

They took him to the psych hospital in Staunton. Wonderful place where he stayed for a month.

His roommates told us our son and a friend had been smoking a lot of pot. The psychiatrist dx him with some combo name of schizophrenia/bipolar and said the exact dx didn't matter, same meds.

She believed there is a link between pot and Schiz onset. Either they turn to pot to handle Sz symptoms, or possible pot usage can bring out Sz, which was lurking below the surface.

I was so grateful he didn't do something to get arrested during his psychotic episode, which had probably been brewing for a year.

Of course he went off the psych meds within 6 months. While he hasn't had a repeat episode in 6 years, I think he isn't smoking pot regularly. However, he is now very under-employed, working part-time as an admin. He lives with his dad, so no pressure to pay bills.

I'm grateful he's "stable". But boy, this story sounded a little too familiar to me. This type of thing was my biggest fear. I can't imagine how Luigi's parents and friends feel.

This sounds horrible. I’m sorry. Your son is safe, has help and you sound like a good Mom.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This guy really is not showing many aspects of schizophrenia, and anyone who knows anything about it would agree.

To carry this off required a high level of cognitive functioning, planning, organization, general executive functioning. None of that is present if someone has schizophrenia. No clear signs of psychosis, really nothing here that points to schizophrenia.

He's simply a young man who became radicalized, had physical health issues, and took it to the extreme. There are thousands, maybe million millions, of men who are like this.

My uncle had schizophrenia. He was a Swarthmore and University of Chicago graduate. He was able to travel to Moscow when very few Americans went there. He was also anti-capitalist thus his fixation with Russia. He also regularly told the family he wanted to kill the CEO of the local steel company. He also had a psychosis about the guy who cut the grass. He told us regularly the law guy was breaking into the house through the coal chute.

The UHC CEO disassociated from his family over the last 12 months. That is a textbook schizophrenia symptom as well as a bipolar symptom.

[Anonymous]

This happened to a friend’s son too, pot was laced with Fentanyl that made him psychotic.

[Anonymous]

22:52 poster again

Most of us have seen untreated schizophrenics who live on the street.

There are a lot who are also top tier college grads. In my uncle's case he lived with his mother in a garage apartment on the property after he was released from the mental institution in Hartford. He never worked.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He is a jail house hottie

Him being attractive and well educated is doing him a lot of favors in the court of public opinion.

And young
And tall
And well read (but mostly newer books out, not classics).

Don’t forget rich. None of his peers have came out and can come up with a negative thing to say about him either and from the outside seems perfectly nice. He would be a perfect boyfriend to the Gen Z girls if he wasn’t a killer.

His peers are saying nice things about him because he was a nice, smart young man.

Something happened after that.

Indoctrination complete - OR - Total mental breakdown / disorder

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This guy really is not showing many aspects of schizophrenia, and anyone who knows anything about it would agree.

To carry this off required a high level of cognitive functioning, planning, organization, general executive functioning. None of that is present if someone has schizophrenia. No clear signs of psychosis, really nothing here that points to schizophrenia.

He's simply a young man who became radicalized, had physical health issues, and took it to the extreme. There are thousands, maybe million millions, of men who are like this.

We’ll have to find out after the court case.

If this is truly going to a jury then nothing can nor should be released publicly beforehand. Not health records, credit card or bank statements, phone records, travel passports, notebook entries, etc.

Most of what you read, if it doesn’t say police or fbi, is speculation or hearsay or unverified social media posts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son has an MS in a tech field. Smart 1580 SAT kid, gifted, tons of friends, never misbehaved even as a toddler. Around age 27 he started saying his co-workers were laughing at his ideas during meetings (I didn't believe it). He took his passport on a day trip to DC. Why? In case he needed to flee to Canada on short notice (paranoia).
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They took him to the psych hospital in Staunton. Wonderful place where he stayed for a month.

His roommates told us our son and a friend had been smoking a lot of pot. The psychiatrist dx him with some combo name of schizophrenia/bipolar and said the exact dx didn't matter, same meds.

She believed there is a link between pot and Schiz onset. Either they turn to pot to handle Sz symptoms, or possible pot usage can bring out Sz, which was lurking below the surface.

I was so grateful he didn't do something to get arrested during his psychotic episode, which had probably been brewing for a year.

Of course he went off the psych meds within 6 months. While he hasn't had a repeat episode in 6 years, I think he isn't smoking pot regularly. However, he is now very under-employed, working part-time as an admin. He lives with his dad, so no pressure to pay bills.

I'm grateful he's "stable". But boy, this story sounded a little too familiar to me. This type of thing was my biggest fear. I can't imagine how Luigi's parents and friends feel.

I posted upthread about having a schizophrenic sibling. This is exactly what we think triggered her schizophrenia. I found several psychiatrist podcasts that talk about this. What's notable is that marijuana seemed to be the worst drug for triggering schizophrenia. I voted against legalization of marijuana for this reason. It is too easy to get access now. Her psychotic break was 7 years ago and we've given up on the idea that she may get back to her old self. She's gone. It's sad.

Ugh

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This guy really is not showing many aspects of schizophrenia, and anyone who knows anything about it would agree.

To carry this off required a high level of cognitive functioning, planning, organization, general executive functioning. None of that is present if someone has schizophrenia. No clear signs of psychosis, really nothing here that points to schizophrenia.

He's simply a young man who became radicalized, had physical health issues, and took it to the extreme. There are thousands, maybe million millions, of men who are like this.

My uncle had schizophrenia. He was a Swarthmore and University of Chicago graduate. He was able to travel to Moscow when very few Americans went there. He was also anti-capitalist thus his fixation with Russia. He also regularly told the family he wanted to kill the CEO of the local steel company. He also had a psychosis about the guy who cut the grass. He told us regularly the law guy was breaking into the house through the coal chute.

The UHC CEO disassociated from his family over the last 12 months. That is a textbook schizophrenia symptom as well as a bipolar symptom.

Lol

Aka divorce of a work addict

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son has an MS in a tech field. Smart 1580 SAT kid, gifted, tons of friends, never misbehaved even as a toddler. Around age 27 he started saying his co-workers were laughing at his ideas during meetings (I didn't believe it). He took his passport on a day trip to DC. Why? In case he needed to flee to Canada on short notice (paranoia).
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They took him to the psych hospital in Staunton. Wonderful place where he stayed for a month.

His roommates told us our son and a friend had been smoking a lot of pot. The psychiatrist dx him with some combo name of schizophrenia/bipolar and said the exact dx didn't matter, same meds.

She believed there is a link between pot and Schiz onset. Either they turn to pot to handle Sz symptoms, or possible pot usage can bring out Sz, which was lurking below the surface.

I was so grateful he didn't do something to get arrested during his psychotic episode, which had probably been brewing for a year.

Of course he went off the psych meds within 6 months. While he hasn't had a repeat episode in 6 years, I think he isn't smoking pot regularly. However, he is now very under-employed, working part-time as an admin. He lives with his dad, so no pressure to pay bills.

I'm grateful he's "stable". But boy, this story sounded a little too familiar to me. This type of thing was my biggest fear. I can't imagine how Luigi's parents and friends feel.

I posted upthread about having a schizophrenic sibling. This is exactly what we think triggered her schizophrenia. I found several psychiatrist podcasts that talk about this. What's notable is that marijuana seemed to be the worst drug for triggering schizophrenia. I voted against legalization of marijuana for this reason. It is too easy to get access now. Her psychotic break was 7 years ago and we've given up on the idea that she may get back to her old self. She's gone. It's sad.

New poster chiming in with a very similar story about my son’s friend, who started abusing weed heavily in college and began having psychotic episodes. He was pulled over for going over 100 mph on a busy highway while intoxicated and told the officer and his parents that it was ok because the god in his head told him he was not bound by the laws of physics.

His psychiatrist said it was hard to tell if the weed triggered bipolar disorder or if the episodes were a result of his severe weed addiction. The psychiatrist also told the family that there were drugs that could effectively treat addiction to most drugs but not weed. He said today’s weed is incredibly dangerous and causing a massive uptick in the need for emergency psychiatric services. I too voted against legalization as a result of this ongoing tragedy in our friends’ lives.

[Anonymous]

And the United Healthcare parent co CEO writes an NYT op ed that says nothing. Did he use the free version of ChatGPT?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/13/opinion/united-health-care-brian-thompson-luigi-mangione.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

[Anonymous]

Mom was contacted by FBI night before his arrest. She said she didn’t think it was her son. I don’t know…the fact that he went completely missing and then there were multiple pictures with his smile and eyebrows. I think she had to know. What a nightmare for a mother.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He is a jail house hottie

Him being attractive and well educated is doing him a lot of favors in the court of public opinion.

And young
And tall
And well read (but mostly newer books out, not classics).

Don’t forget rich. None of his peers have came out and can come up with a negative thing to say about him either and from the outside seems perfectly nice. He would be a perfect boyfriend to the Gen Z girls if he wasn’t a killer.

His peers are saying nice things about him because he was a nice, smart young man.

Something happened after that.

Drug usage and it might sound far fetched but maybe a cult or extremist group. If you look at the timeline he was basically unemployed in San Francisco for a year and stopped talking to family in July. That time period seems to be the most critical here and it doesn’t look like he has any friends from that time coming out to talk about him. It has to be something about that last year.

Or more likely just schizophrenia. It develops in young men around that age.

I don’t think so. According to reports from the PA courthouse, he’s alert, makes intelligent remarks, and appears to be totally with it.m

I think he experienced through tremendous pain with his back injury and the botched surgery. Part of the reason why the surgery went wrong is because doctors had to wait too long to perform it, most likely because of insurance issues. I also read reports that his mom went through very painful neuropathy and had issues with her insurance as well.

Experiencing debilitating pain or watching a loved one endure such pain can radicalize even the most gentle of souls.
I feel for him just like I feel for Brian Thompson and both of their families.
A horrible, senseless loss of life that could have been avoided if our country cared more about people and less about money.

[Anonymous]

Millions have back pain and other crippling pain and they don’t become murderers. Come on.