Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yup.

Isn’t it mostly Ashkenazi jews living in Israel? These are Europeans. Yeah we all have ties to the middle east if you go back far enough. My pagan ancestors were there before the jews so there. God, get a life.

Nope. Ashkenazi are an admixture that includes Middle Eastern genes (generally at least 40 percent or more). Plus, duh, in any event, there are many non-Ashkenazi Jews living in Israel. Your “pagan ancestors” are irrelevant to this discussion. Israel was Jews’ homeland for 3,000 years. Other than that, great post!

100% trumps 40%. I mean a Palestinian expelled by the Ashkenazi Jews during Nakba certainly had stronger genetic links to the place than his persecutors.

Nah.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

Jews are indigenous to Israel, Palestine, or whatever one wants to call it.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

Jews are indigenous to Israel, Palestine, or whatever one wants to call it.

Not all jews, Europeans practicing Judaism aren’t ‘Jews’ per se.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

There were ancient Canaanites in the area long, long, long before there were Jews, Christians, or Muslims. The land was inhabited for tens of millennia before Judaism was even invented. Why should just one -- of the many different religious groups that have lived there -- have a special claim to this piece of land?

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

Jews are indigenous to Israel, Palestine, or whatever one wants to call it.

According to this article, "An early-modern human fossil from a cave in Israel has been dated to around 180,000 years ago, showing that Homo sapiens left Africa more than 40,000 years earlier than previously believed." (https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2018/january/humans-left-africa-40-000-years-earlier-than-we-thought.html).

It's absurd to talk about indigenous people in an area that has been home to human beings for possibly as long as 180 millennia. People came and went. There were indigenous people living in ancient Canaan tens of thousands of years before Judaism was invented. They practiced their own religions. Groups came and went as one was conquered or driven out by another. The Old Testament (which is far from an accurate historical record, but for what it's worth) describes Israelites driving out indigenous people. At the beginning of the 20th century, Palestine had been inhabited by Palestinians for centuries. Ethnically cleansing them to make way for another group makes about as much sense as Germany's invasion of other countries to grab lebensraum. It was an entirely absurd idea.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

Jews are indigenous to Israel, Palestine, or whatever one wants to call it.

There must be dozens of groups who can claim to be indigenous to that region. Why should any one of them take precedence over another.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

There were ancient Canaanites in the area long, long, long before there were Jews, Christians, or Muslims. The land was inhabited for tens of millennia before Judaism was even invented. Why should just one -- of the many different religious groups that have lived there -- have a special claim to this piece of land?

Yes. This. And then Canaanites mixed with other ethnicities who migrated in converted to Judaism. Along came Jesus (Jewish) and some of those same Jews converted to Christianity (some Jews stayed and some Jews left intermarrying Europeans before returning). Mohammed then came along (along with more migrants from Turkey etc) and some that stayed (both the Jews and Christians living in the area) converted. This is what the scientific genetic research shows.

A bunch of pages back someone commented that the Muslims came into the area from Arabia like they were invaders. Some Muslims may have come from Arabia like any of the migrant groups that came into the region, but they converted and intermarried with the people that were already in Palestine.

Genetics clearly show that Jews and Muslim Palestinians were descendants from common ancestors. They are cousins. So when you says Jews have a historical tie to the land, sure. But so do the Palestinians who stayed.

There is a lot of genetic mixing in the Middle East.

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Anonymous wrote:Protesters Should be Calling For Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Return the Hostages.

Do You Think Hamas Would Listen To Protesters?

No need to Mock My Style, please, to make your argument.

Whether Hamas listens or not is not the Full Point. The Full Point is that a call for Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Release the Hostages is the Morally Correct Stance to Take. Better, at lease than protesting as what is, in effect, one of Hamas’ Useful Idiots.

Then Go Get A Poster And Start Protesting.

Yes, engaging with Hamas’ Useful Idiots protesting world wide as to why the are not calling on Hamas to Surrender and Release the Hostages sounds like a prudent idea. I have debated Israel haters about this. Hamas’ Surrendering is the most straightforward and expeditious path to End the Conflict. Why Hamas? a Useful Idiot would respond. Because they were the aggressor.

It is a fundamental question that said Useful Idiots can never answer. Why can’t they? Who knows. Maybe because on some level they just want Hamas to win. Not the best side to take and history will judge them poorly.

People protest when they think it will have an impact on behavior.

The families of the hostages in Israel are protesting, not for Hamas to throw down their arms and release the hostages, but for their government to negotiate for the safe release of the hostages. Why do you think they’re not calling on Hamas? Because they’re useful idiots? Or because they’re correctly assessing they will have a greater impact on the behavior of their own government?

In the U.S. the protests have been largely effective in forcing elected leaders to confront Israel about their worst abuses. Why should they pivot to trying to change Hamas’ behavior when it’s hugely unlikely to be effective?

Huh?

Crystal clear post, but this clown responds with “Huh?” to try to derail the discussion because that’s what the hasbara handbook says to do … if the discussion gets away from your talking point BS, attack the other side by claiming that their arguments are incoherent, or “word salad”, etc.

It’s really sinister, but it’s now become an everyday occurrence. Hasbara 101.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

Jews are indigenous to Israel, Palestine, or whatever one wants to call it.

Not all jews, Europeans practicing Judaism aren’t ‘Jews’ per se.

Maybe talk about what you know. Of course they are Jews.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

There were ancient Canaanites in the area long, long, long before there were Jews, Christians, or Muslims. The land was inhabited for tens of millennia before Judaism was even invented. Why should just one -- of the many different religious groups that have lived there -- have a special claim to this piece of land?

And before that, there were Neanderthals and before that amoebas. Maybe we should just give our homes back to them…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Protesters Should be Calling For Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Return the Hostages.

Do You Think Hamas Would Listen To Protesters?

No need to Mock My Style, please, to make your argument.

Whether Hamas listens or not is not the Full Point. The Full Point is that a call for Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Release the Hostages is the Morally Correct Stance to Take. Better, at lease than protesting as what is, in effect, one of Hamas’ Useful Idiots.

Then Go Get A Poster And Start Protesting.

Yes, engaging with Hamas’ Useful Idiots protesting world wide as to why the are not calling on Hamas to Surrender and Release the Hostages sounds like a prudent idea. I have debated Israel haters about this. Hamas’ Surrendering is the most straightforward and expeditious path to End the Conflict. Why Hamas? a Useful Idiot would respond. Because they were the aggressor.

It is a fundamental question that said Useful Idiots can never answer. Why can’t they? Who knows. Maybe because on some level they just want Hamas to win. Not the best side to take and history will judge them poorly.

People protest when they think it will have an impact on behavior.

The families of the hostages in Israel are protesting, not for Hamas to throw down their arms and release the hostages, but for their government to negotiate for the safe release of the hostages. Why do you think they’re not calling on Hamas? Because they’re useful idiots? Or because they’re correctly assessing they will have a greater impact on the behavior of their own government?

In the U.S. the protests have been largely effective in forcing elected leaders to confront Israel about their worst abuses. Why should they pivot to trying to change Hamas’ behavior when it’s hugely unlikely to be effective?

Huh?

Crystal clear post, but this clown responds with “Huh?” to try to derail the discussion because that’s what the hasbara handbook says to do … if the discussion gets away from your talking point BS, attack the other side by claiming that their arguments are incoherent, or “word salad”, etc.

It’s really sinister, but it’s now become an everyday occurrence. Hasbara 101.

And what page would that be in the - what do you call it? - the Hasbata notebook?

Just ant to get the world domination notebooks straight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yup.

Isn’t it mostly Ashkenazi jews living in Israel? These are Europeans. Yeah we all have ties to the middle east if you go back far enough. My pagan ancestors were there before the jews so there. God, get a life.

Nope. Ashkenazi are an admixture that includes Middle Eastern genes (generally at least 40 percent or more). Plus, duh, in any event, there are many non-Ashkenazi Jews living in Israel. Your “pagan ancestors” are irrelevant to this discussion. Israel was Jews’ homeland for 3,000 years. Other than that, great post!

If you want to be meticulous, the percentage of ME genes in Ashkenazi people is debatable and variable.

From Haaretz (2015): “In that research, which appeared in Nature Communications, a team led by Shai Carmi of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem sequenced the complete genomes of 128 people of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. Their analysis revealed that the Ashkenazi Jewish population is “an even mix” of European and Middle Eastern ancestral populations ….”

How does that stack up in comparison to Palestinians and other Arabs in the immediate area?

I heard their genome is 100% Middle Eastern, not “an even mix” with a different geographic region.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

There were ancient Canaanites in the area long, long, long before there were Jews, Christians, or Muslims. The land was inhabited for tens of millennia before Judaism was even invented. Why should just one -- of the many different religious groups that have lived there -- have a special claim to this piece of land?

And before that, there were Neanderthals and before that amoebas. Maybe we should just give our homes back to them…

Well, yes this is the game we are playing. We preach about how the white Europeans ‘stole’ American indigenous land, yet we turn a complete 180 and support and encourage it from another country. European jewish people don’t have direct roots to the middle east.