Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yup.

Isn’t it mostly Ashkenazi jews living in Israel? These are Europeans. Yeah we all have ties to the middle east if you go back far enough. My pagan ancestors were there before the jews so there. God, get a life.

Nope. Ashkenazi are an admixture that includes Middle Eastern genes (generally at least 40 percent or more). Plus, duh, in any event, there are many non-Ashkenazi Jews living in Israel. Your “pagan ancestors” are irrelevant to this discussion. Israel was Jews’ homeland for 3,000 years. Other than that, great post!

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

DP. Can’t speak to those two people, but genetic studies show that your assertion is flatly false.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

Most Israelis are Europeans practicing Judaism, and that’s perfectly fine. But they are not Sephardic Jews who originated from the ME. They are completely different people. These Europeans have zero ties to the ME.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yup.

Isn’t it mostly Ashkenazi jews living in Israel? These are Europeans. Yeah we all have ties to the middle east if you go back far enough. My pagan ancestors were there before the jews so there. God, get a life.

Nope. Ashkenazi are an admixture that includes Middle Eastern genes (generally at least 40 percent or more). Plus, duh, in any event, there are many non-Ashkenazi Jews living in Israel. Your “pagan ancestors” are irrelevant to this discussion. Israel was Jews’ homeland for 3,000 years. Other than that, great post!

If you want to be meticulous, the percentage of ME genes in Ashkenazi people is debatable and variable.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yup.

Isn’t it mostly Ashkenazi jews living in Israel? These are Europeans. Yeah we all have ties to the middle east if you go back far enough. My pagan ancestors were there before the jews so there. God, get a life.

Nope. Ashkenazi are an admixture that includes Middle Eastern genes (generally at least 40 percent or more). Plus, duh, in any event, there are many non-Ashkenazi Jews living in Israel. Your “pagan ancestors” are irrelevant to this discussion. Israel was Jews’ homeland for 3,000 years. Other than that, great post!

If you want to be meticulous, the percentage of ME genes in Ashkenazi people is debatable and variable.

From Haaretz (2015): “In that research, which appeared in Nature Communications, a team led by Shai Carmi of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem sequenced the complete genomes of 128 people of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry. Their analysis revealed that the Ashkenazi Jewish population is “an even mix” of European and Middle Eastern ancestral populations ….”

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The world would be a much better and safer place if we rid ourselves from religion. It’s not needed anymore, can’t we just all live by the Golden Rule?

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Many Israeli jews aren’t religious, they are the descendants of Europeans who practiced Judaism a century ago. Religion is not even relevant here.

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Anonymous wrote:The worst impacts of war go beyond the intended result of the warring parties- neither of whom ever gets everything they wanted, btw. The negative impacts lie in the unintended, unanticipated consequences that the zealots who go to war never anticipated- or planned for.

For example, the outcome of the Versailles " peace treaty" was WW II and the outcome of WWII was the nuclear bomb and the real potential for mass extinction of life on Earth.

The outcome of Nixon's " war on Communism in SE Asia" was the rise of Pol Pot and the massacre of 2 million Cambodians and hundreds of thousands of Laos and Vietnamese, and the end of the " war on poverty" in the US

The outcome of arming the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan to fight the Russians was the rise of OBL and Al Qaida as well as the Taliban

The outcome of the US invasion of Iraq was the formation of ISIS.

And what has Israel's war on the Palestinian people, the Lebanese, the Jordanians, the Egyptians and the Iranians...essentially all of their neighbors lead to for the world: well, imagine a world that since 1960's had no plane hijackings, no suicide bombings, imagine no war in Lebanon from 1974-1995, imagine 9/11 never having had happened... imagine that Pegasus technology did not exist and that we all lived in a world where spyware wasn't being used to kill journalists, political leaders, health workers and blackmail politicians.

Imagine instead, a peaceful Middle East with a multi-ethnic state of Palestine in which Druze, Arabs or both Christian and Muslim backgrounds lived together with Jewish people like they had for thousands of years.

Take a deep breath and just think what the world could do with the trillions of dollars of wealth that would not have been wasted on murder, cruelty and exploitation and instead used for science, research, sustainable use and saving the environment.

That is a world without the R wing Likud zealots who have been waging war against the entire Middle East for the past 40 years.

lol get real. Is this a joke?

Druze, Muslims, Christians, and Jews living together in peace?

Yeah right. Islamic states forbid the practice of other religions. Islamicists are commanded by God in the Quran to murder nonbelievers in jihad. Weekly there are terror attacks of non-Muslims by Islamic militant groups.

What? lol it does not. There is no command of that sort in the Quran. There were sizable Christian communities throughout the Middle East.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yup.

Isn’t it mostly Ashkenazi jews living in Israel? These are Europeans. Yeah we all have ties to the middle east if you go back far enough. My pagan ancestors were there before the jews so there. God, get a life.

Nope. Ashkenazi are an admixture that includes Middle Eastern genes (generally at least 40 percent or more). Plus, duh, in any event, there are many non-Ashkenazi Jews living in Israel. Your “pagan ancestors” are irrelevant to this discussion. Israel was Jews’ homeland for 3,000 years. Other than that, great post!

100% trumps 40%. I mean a Palestinian expelled by the Ashkenazi Jews during Nakba certainly had stronger genetic links to the place than his persecutors.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

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It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

Exactly. The “keep smiling” videos showed the side of Hamas these poor kidnapped children saw. Sinister and cruel. They would absolutely kill as the “reward” for kidnapping Jews. After all, it’s in Hamas’ charter to do just that.

Why does it matter if it was in Hamas charter? The Quran and prophet literally call for jihad and the murder of nonbelievers.

To be fair, the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 13 and 17, for example) and the Talmud say much the same.

To be fair there are no Talmudists blowing up people globally.

Let's not forget the Haganah, the Irgun, or the Stern Gang. In 1945, Zionist terrorists in Palestine targeted oil refineries, colonial railways, and police boats. They also blew up the King David Hotel and perpetrated several massacres of Palestinian living in their villages, including at Balad al-Sheikh, Saasaa, Deir Yassin, Saliha, and Lydda. Survivors of Deir Yassin described Zionist terrorists raping women, cutting fetuses out of pregnant women, and executing scores of people.

Israel was built on terrorism. What it is doing in the West Bank and Gaza is state-sponsored terrorism.

The fact that this event is from 1945 is revealing. Could you share a similar write up of the 5000+ Islamic terror attacks that have occurred since then? Thanks chief.

Please cite the source of the 5,000+ attacks claim, and then explain why the past 20 years is a relevant range. Surely you're not arguing that genocidal grievances have an expiration date, right? By way of example, if someone murdered your family, everyone in your neighborhood, and everyone you know, and then set up shop in your house 21 years ago, I'm thinking you wouldn't be arguing that you have a case for trying to finally hold them accountable today - right?

Americans are very uneducated about global terror.

And of course genocidal grievances have an expiration date. What a ridiculous claim. Do you welcome an Algonquian descendant to take your property and murder your family?

https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/islamist-terrorist-attacks-in-the-world-1979-2021/

What is ridiculous is this analogy.

Arabs are not a stone age people. There is a good chance that you are accessing the Internet with an Apple product. Apple computers, the iPhone were conceived, developed and brought to world market dominance by an Arab: Steve Jandali ( AKA Steve Jobs )

There is also a fair chance that many people reading this have or will one day need open heart surgery, Grafting of blocked coronary arteries or a stent placement- all of which were conceived of, developed and made the standard of care saving millions of lives world wide by an Arab: Michael Debakey:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_DeBakey

Michael Debakey's village in South Lebanon has been regularly bombed by the Right wing Israeli zealot government . No doubt they have killed many who would have improved our world for the better- as a great many Palestinians would - if they were free from the cruel and tyrannical Israeli occupation and instead able to reach their full human potential.

The Israeli constant attack on Palestinian life for the past 80 years has cost the world generations of would be innovators, scientists, doctors, writers, poets.... it is an obscene crime

So what exactly is the expiration date for genocidal grievances according to you?More than 80 years but less than 300?

Steve Jobs? He was an American, born in America who invented the iPhone in America. Like all Americans except for Native Americans, his ancestry was not indigenous to America.

Are you a bot or a 12 year old?

If you call Jobs an American, then every invention by an American Jew is American, not Jewish. Something's telling me your math doesn't run that way.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yup.

Isn’t it mostly Ashkenazi jews living in Israel? These are Europeans. Yeah we all have ties to the middle east if you go back far enough. My pagan ancestors were there before the jews so there. God, get a life.

Nope. Ashkenazi are an admixture that includes Middle Eastern genes (generally at least 40 percent or more). Plus, duh, in any event, there are many non-Ashkenazi Jews living in Israel. Your “pagan ancestors” are irrelevant to this discussion. Israel was Jews’ homeland for 3,000 years. Other than that, great post!

100% trumps 40%. I mean a Palestinian expelled by the Ashkenazi Jews during Nakba certainly had stronger genetic links to the place than his persecutors.

Yes, and 40% is being generous here in many cases. If you want to be particular and exact, 40% is nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

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Europeans should not have rights to land in the ME. It was a gift to them. If one has more European blood, or even half, they are technically on foreign land.