Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Protesters Should be Calling For Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Return the Hostages.

Do You Think Hamas Would Listen To Protesters?

No need to Mock My Style, please, to make your argument.

Whether Hamas listens or not is not the Full Point. The Full Point is that a call for Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Release the Hostages is the Morally Correct Stance to Take. Better, at lease than protesting as what is, in effect, one of Hamas’ Useful Idiots.

Then Go Get A Poster And Start Protesting.

Yes, engaging with Hamas’ Useful Idiots protesting world wide as to why the are not calling on Hamas to Surrender and Release the Hostages sounds like a prudent idea. I have debated Israel haters about this. Hamas’ Surrendering is the most straightforward and expeditious path to End the Conflict. Why Hamas? a Useful Idiot would respond. Because they were the aggressor.

It is a fundamental question that said Useful Idiots can never answer. Why can’t they? Who knows. Maybe because on some level they just want Hamas to win. Not the best side to take and history will judge them poorly.

People protest when they think it will have an impact on behavior.

The families of the hostages in Israel are protesting, not for Hamas to throw down their arms and release the hostages, but for their government to negotiate for the safe release of the hostages. Why do you think they’re not calling on Hamas? Because they’re useful idiots? Or because they’re correctly assessing they will have a greater impact on the behavior of their own government?

In the U.S. the protests have been largely effective in forcing elected leaders to confront Israel about their worst abuses. Why should they pivot to trying to change Hamas’ behavior when it’s hugely unlikely to be effective?

Huh?

Which bit confused you?

None of it makes sense to me. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Protesters Should be Calling For Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Return the Hostages.

Do You Think Hamas Would Listen To Protesters?

No need to Mock My Style, please, to make your argument.

Whether Hamas listens or not is not the Full Point. The Full Point is that a call for Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Release the Hostages is the Morally Correct Stance to Take. Better, at lease than protesting as what is, in effect, one of Hamas’ Useful Idiots.

Then Go Get A Poster And Start Protesting.

Yes, engaging with Hamas’ Useful Idiots protesting world wide as to why the are not calling on Hamas to Surrender and Release the Hostages sounds like a prudent idea. I have debated Israel haters about this. Hamas’ Surrendering is the most straightforward and expeditious path to End the Conflict. Why Hamas? a Useful Idiot would respond. Because they were the aggressor.

It is a fundamental question that said Useful Idiots can never answer. Why can’t they? Who knows. Maybe because on some level they just want Hamas to win. Not the best side to take and history will judge them poorly.

People protest when they think it will have an impact on behavior.

The families of the hostages in Israel are protesting, not for Hamas to throw down their arms and release the hostages, but for their government to negotiate for the safe release of the hostages. Why do you think they’re not calling on Hamas? Because they’re useful idiots? Or because they’re correctly assessing they will have a greater impact on the behavior of their own government?

In the U.S. the protests have been largely effective in forcing elected leaders to confront Israel about their worst abuses. Why should they pivot to trying to change Hamas’ behavior when it’s hugely unlikely to be effective?

Huh?

Which bit confused you?

None of it makes sense to me. Sorry.

The poster I am responding to (you?) thinks that protestors should be calling on Hamas to surrender and release hostages. Anyone else he/she deems a “useful idiot”.

So my post explains why someone might choose to protest for something other than what the poster thinks they should, because it is likely to have a greater impact than what the poster believes they should be saying.

Also I think it’s a bit rich for him to describe the families of the hostages “useful idiots” for not protesting the way he thinks they should be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Protesters Should be Calling For Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Return the Hostages.

Why do you think you know better than the families of those hostages?

“The released hostages, their families and the families of those who remain in Gaza have emerged not only as the Israeli government’s loudest critics in its war effort, a symbol of its failure to guard its people, but also as the main pressure group within Israel pushing for a political path to release the remaining hostages, which many of them say Israel cannot solely achieve by fighting.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/05/opinion/israel-hostage-war-government.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Protesters Should be Calling For Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Return the Hostages.

Do You Think Hamas Would Listen To Protesters?

No need to Mock My Style, please, to make your argument.

Whether Hamas listens or not is not the Full Point. The Full Point is that a call for Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Release the Hostages is the Morally Correct Stance to Take. Better, at lease than protesting as what is, in effect, one of Hamas’ Useful Idiots.

Then Go Get A Poster And Start Protesting.

Yes, engaging with Hamas’ Useful Idiots protesting world wide as to why the are not calling on Hamas to Surrender and Release the Hostages sounds like a prudent idea. I have debated Israel haters about this. Hamas’ Surrendering is the most straightforward and expeditious path to End the Conflict. Why Hamas? a Useful Idiot would respond. Because they were the aggressor.

It is a fundamental question that said Useful Idiots can never answer. Why can’t they? Who knows. Maybe because on some level they just want Hamas to win. Not the best side to take and history will judge them poorly.

People protest when they think it will have an impact on behavior.

The families of the hostages in Israel are protesting, not for Hamas to throw down their arms and release the hostages, but for their government to negotiate for the safe release of the hostages. Why do you think they’re not calling on Hamas? Because they’re useful idiots? Or because they’re correctly assessing they will have a greater impact on the behavior of their own government?

In the U.S. the protests have been largely effective in forcing elected leaders to confront Israel about their worst abuses. Why should they pivot to trying to change Hamas’ behavior when it’s hugely unlikely to be effective?

Huh?

Which bit confused you?

None of it makes sense to me. Sorry.

The poster I am responding to (you?) thinks that protestors should be calling on Hamas to surrender and release hostages. Anyone else he/she deems a “useful idiot”.

So my post explains why someone might choose to protest for something other than what the poster thinks they should, because it is likely to have a greater impact than what the poster believes they should be saying.

Also I think it’s a bit rich for him to describe the families of the hostages “useful idiots” for not protesting the way he thinks they should be.

Never described that, though. The protests in question involve the Useful Idiots with anti-Israel messages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Protesters Should be Calling For Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Return the Hostages.

Do You Think Hamas Would Listen To Protesters?

No need to Mock My Style, please, to make your argument.

Whether Hamas listens or not is not the Full Point. The Full Point is that a call for Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Release the Hostages is the Morally Correct Stance to Take. Better, at lease than protesting as what is, in effect, one of Hamas’ Useful Idiots.

Then Go Get A Poster And Start Protesting.

Yes, engaging with Hamas’ Useful Idiots protesting world wide as to why the are not calling on Hamas to Surrender and Release the Hostages sounds like a prudent idea. I have debated Israel haters about this. Hamas’ Surrendering is the most straightforward and expeditious path to End the Conflict. Why Hamas? a Useful Idiot would respond. Because they were the aggressor.

It is a fundamental question that said Useful Idiots can never answer. Why can’t they? Who knows. Maybe because on some level they just want Hamas to win. Not the best side to take and history will judge them poorly.

People protest when they think it will have an impact on behavior.

The families of the hostages in Israel are protesting, not for Hamas to throw down their arms and release the hostages, but for their government to negotiate for the safe release of the hostages. Why do you think they’re not calling on Hamas? Because they’re useful idiots? Or because they’re correctly assessing they will have a greater impact on the behavior of their own government?

In the U.S. the protests have been largely effective in forcing elected leaders to confront Israel about their worst abuses. Why should they pivot to trying to change Hamas’ behavior when it’s hugely unlikely to be effective?

Huh?

Which bit confused you?

None of it makes sense to me. Sorry.

The poster I am responding to (you?) thinks that protestors should be calling on Hamas to surrender and release hostages. Anyone else he/she deems a “useful idiot”.

So my post explains why someone might choose to protest for something other than what the poster thinks they should, because it is likely to have a greater impact than what the poster believes they should be saying.

Also I think it’s a bit rich for him to describe the families of the hostages “useful idiots” for not protesting the way he thinks they should be.

Never described that, though. The protests in question involve the Useful Idiots with anti-Israel messages.

The families of the hostages are asking Israel to negotiate politically to have the hostages released.

The protests in the U.S for the most part are asking the U.S. to support an immediate ceasefire.

Neither group is delusional enough to think Hamas cares what they protest about. You seem to think Hamas cares what protestors say. So get a sign and start protesting my dude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Protesters Should be Calling For Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Return the Hostages.

Why do you think you know better than the families of those hostages?

“The released hostages, their families and the families of those who remain in Gaza have emerged not only as the Israeli government’s loudest critics in its war effort, a symbol of its failure to guard its people, but also as the main pressure group within Israel pushing for a political path to release the remaining hostages, which many of them say Israel cannot solely achieve by fighting.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/05/opinion/israel-hostage-war-government.html

You have inserted the families of hostages into this. They are victims of Hamas and obviously not Hamas’ Useful Idiots chanting anti-Israel slogans and explicitly or implicitly taking Hamas’ side. That should go without saying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Protesters Should be Calling For Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Return the Hostages.

Do You Think Hamas Would Listen To Protesters?

No need to Mock My Style, please, to make your argument.

Whether Hamas listens or not is not the Full Point. The Full Point is that a call for Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Release the Hostages is the Morally Correct Stance to Take. Better, at lease than protesting as what is, in effect, one of Hamas’ Useful Idiots.

Then Go Get A Poster And Start Protesting.

Yes, engaging with Hamas’ Useful Idiots protesting world wide as to why the are not calling on Hamas to Surrender and Release the Hostages sounds like a prudent idea. I have debated Israel haters about this. Hamas’ Surrendering is the most straightforward and expeditious path to End the Conflict. Why Hamas? a Useful Idiot would respond. Because they were the aggressor.

It is a fundamental question that said Useful Idiots can never answer. Why can’t they? Who knows. Maybe because on some level they just want Hamas to win. Not the best side to take and history will judge them poorly.

People protest when they think it will have an impact on behavior.

The families of the hostages in Israel are protesting, not for Hamas to throw down their arms and release the hostages, but for their government to negotiate for the safe release of the hostages. Why do you think they’re not calling on Hamas? Because they’re useful idiots? Or because they’re correctly assessing they will have a greater impact on the behavior of their own government?

In the U.S. the protests have been largely effective in forcing elected leaders to confront Israel about their worst abuses. Why should they pivot to trying to change Hamas’ behavior when it’s hugely unlikely to be effective?

Huh?

Which bit confused you?

None of it makes sense to me. Sorry.

The poster I am responding to (you?) thinks that protestors should be calling on Hamas to surrender and release hostages. Anyone else he/she deems a “useful idiot”.

So my post explains why someone might choose to protest for something other than what the poster thinks they should, because it is likely to have a greater impact than what the poster believes they should be saying.

Also I think it’s a bit rich for him to describe the families of the hostages “useful idiots” for not protesting the way he thinks they should be.

Never described that, though. The protests in question involve the Useful Idiots with anti-Israel messages.

The families of the hostages are asking Israel to negotiate politically to have the hostages released.

The protests in the U.S for the most part are asking the U.S. to support an immediate ceasefire.

Neither group is delusional enough to think Hamas cares what they protest about. You seem to think Hamas cares what protestors say. So get a sign and start protesting my dude.

I think Hamas should surrender. Others apparently do not. I am right. They are wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The worst impacts of war go beyond the intended result of the warring parties- neither of whom ever gets everything they wanted, btw. The negative impacts lie in the unintended, unanticipated consequences that the zealots who go to war never anticipated- or planned for.

For example, the outcome of the Versailles " peace treaty" was WW II and the outcome of WWII was the nuclear bomb and the real potential for mass extinction of life on Earth.

The outcome of Nixon's " war on Communism in SE Asia" was the rise of Pol Pot and the massacre of 2 million Cambodians and hundreds of thousands of Laos and Vietnamese, and the end of the " war on poverty" in the US

The outcome of arming the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan to fight the Russians was the rise of OBL and Al Qaida as well as the Taliban

The outcome of the US invasion of Iraq was the formation of ISIS.

And what has Israel's war on the Palestinian people, the Lebanese, the Jordanians, the Egyptians and the Iranians...essentially all of their neighbors lead to for the world: well, imagine a world that since 1960's had no plane hijackings, no suicide bombings, imagine no war in Lebanon from 1974-1995, imagine 9/11 never having had happened... imagine that Pegasus technology did not exist and that we all lived in a world where spyware wasn't being used to kill journalists, political leaders, health workers and blackmail politicians.

Imagine instead, a peaceful Middle East with a multi-ethnic state of Palestine in which Druze, Arabs or both Christian and Muslim backgrounds lived together with Jewish people like they had for thousands of years.

Take a deep breath and just think what the world could do with the trillions of dollars of wealth that would not have been wasted on murder, cruelty and exploitation and instead used for science, research, sustainable use and saving the environment.

That is a world without the R wing Likud zealots who have been waging war against the entire Middle East for the past 40 years.

lol get real. Is this a joke?

Druze, Muslims, Christians, and Jews living together in peace?

Yeah right. Islamic states forbid the practice of other religions. Islamicists are commanded by God in the Quran to murder nonbelievers in jihad. Weekly there are terror attacks of non-Muslims by Islamic militant groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are the hostages? It’s day 91.

And, where are the calls to release them?

Are you brain damaged? The calls to release the hostages have been coming from day one. But Hamas continues to play games. And one sad truth is that a significant number of the hostages are already dead yet Hamas continues to try and use them as bargaining chips, because they have nothing else.

My guess is that the hostages that a were released are the only ones left alive. Hamas didn’t release 1:1 hostages for prisoners because they didn’t have enough to give. Chances are most of them were killed within 48 hours. That’s the tragic statistic for kidnapping and murder in general, why wouldn’t it hold for this scenario? Children who are kidnapped and murdered are typically killed in the first few hours. Terribly sad but true.

Hostages are kidnapped to get something, not to kill them. If Hamas aimed to kill them, they could have easily done it on Oct 7. It would certainly be easier than dragging them across the border and then feed them, treat them and move them constantly so they don't get killed by Israeli bombs.

The bolded is essentially correct.

But one of the things that terrorists want to "get" is revenge. I hate to say it, but it's likely that some of the remaining hostages have been tortured or abused to such an extent that Hamas cannot release them for political reasons.

They'll simply disappear or Hamas will claim that they were "killed in an Israeli airstrike".

Others may be out of Hamas's direct control at this point--given the number of hostages, Hamas almost certainly had to outsource their captivity to affiliated groups and individuals.

Given the fog of war, I doubt Hamas even has the ability to track all of them down at this point.

+1000
It is so sad/infuriating to think of the fate of the remaining hostages, especially given the reports of abuse suffered by those who were released. How much worse must those remaining be treated for Hamas to decide it would be bad PR for them to let them go and tell their stories?

Exactly. The “keep smiling” videos showed the side of Hamas these poor kidnapped children saw. Sinister and cruel. They would absolutely kill as the “reward” for kidnapping Jews. After all, it’s in Hamas’ charter to do just that.

Why does it matter if it was in Hamas charter? The Quran and prophet literally call for jihad and the murder of nonbelievers.

To be fair, the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 13 and 17, for example) and the Talmud say much the same.

To be fair there are no Talmudists blowing up people globally.

Let's not forget the Haganah, the Irgun, or the Stern Gang. In 1945, Zionist terrorists in Palestine targeted oil refineries, colonial railways, and police boats. They also blew up the King David Hotel and perpetrated several massacres of Palestinian living in their villages, including at Balad al-Sheikh, Saasaa, Deir Yassin, Saliha, and Lydda. Survivors of Deir Yassin described Zionist terrorists raping women, cutting fetuses out of pregnant women, and executing scores of people.

Israel was built on terrorism. What it is doing in the West Bank and Gaza is state-sponsored terrorism.

The fact that this event is from 1945 is revealing. Could you share a similar write up of the 5000+ Islamic terror attacks that have occurred since then? Thanks chief.

Please cite the source of the 5,000+ attacks claim, and then explain why the past 20 years is a relevant range. Surely you're not arguing that genocidal grievances have an expiration date, right? By way of example, if someone murdered your family, everyone in your neighborhood, and everyone you know, and then set up shop in your house 21 years ago, I'm thinking you wouldn't be arguing that you have a case for trying to finally hold them accountable today - right?

Americans are very uneducated about global terror.

And of course genocidal grievances have an expiration date. What a ridiculous claim. Do you welcome an Algonquian descendant to take your property and murder your family?

https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/islamist-terrorist-attacks-in-the-world-1979-2021/

What is ridiculous is this analogy.

Arabs are not a stone age people. There is a good chance that you are accessing the Internet with an Apple product. Apple computers, the iPhone were conceived, developed and brought to world market dominance by an Arab: Steve Jandali ( AKA Steve Jobs )

There is also a fair chance that many people reading this have or will one day need open heart surgery, Grafting of blocked coronary arteries or a stent placement- all of which were conceived of, developed and made the standard of care saving millions of lives world wide by an Arab: Michael Debakey:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_DeBakey

Michael Debakey's village in South Lebanon has been regularly bombed by the Right wing Israeli zealot government . No doubt they have killed many who would have improved our world for the better- as a great many Palestinians would - if they were free from the cruel and tyrannical Israeli occupation and instead able to reach their full human potential.

The Israeli constant attack on Palestinian life for the past 80 years has cost the world generations of would be innovators, scientists, doctors, writers, poets.... it is an obscene crime

So what exactly is the expiration date for genocidal grievances according to you?More than 80 years but less than 300?

Steve Jobs? He was an American, born in America who invented the iPhone in America. Like all Americans except for Native Americans, his ancestry was not indigenous to America.

Are you a bot or a 12 year old?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yup.

[Anonymous]

Still have yet to hear of some kind of Palestinian peace proposal?.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Protesters Should be Calling For Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Return the Hostages.

Do You Think Hamas Would Listen To Protesters?

No need to Mock My Style, please, to make your argument.

Whether Hamas listens or not is not the Full Point. The Full Point is that a call for Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Release the Hostages is the Morally Correct Stance to Take. Better, at lease than protesting as what is, in effect, one of Hamas’ Useful Idiots.

Then Go Get A Poster And Start Protesting.

Yes, engaging with Hamas’ Useful Idiots protesting world wide as to why the are not calling on Hamas to Surrender and Release the Hostages sounds like a prudent idea. I have debated Israel haters about this. Hamas’ Surrendering is the most straightforward and expeditious path to End the Conflict. Why Hamas? a Useful Idiot would respond. Because they were the aggressor.

It is a fundamental question that said Useful Idiots can never answer. Why can’t they? Who knows. Maybe because on some level they just want Hamas to win. Not the best side to take and history will judge them poorly.

People protest when they think it will have an impact on behavior.

The families of the hostages in Israel are protesting, not for Hamas to throw down their arms and release the hostages, but for their government to negotiate for the safe release of the hostages. Why do you think they’re not calling on Hamas? Because they’re useful idiots? Or because they’re correctly assessing they will have a greater impact on the behavior of their own government?

In the U.S. the protests have been largely effective in forcing elected leaders to confront Israel about their worst abuses. Why should they pivot to trying to change Hamas’ behavior when it’s hugely unlikely to be effective?

Huh?

Which bit confused you?

None of it makes sense to me. Sorry.

The poster I am responding to (you?) thinks that protestors should be calling on Hamas to surrender and release hostages. Anyone else he/she deems a “useful idiot”.

So my post explains why someone might choose to protest for something other than what the poster thinks they should, because it is likely to have a greater impact than what the poster believes they should be saying.

Also I think it’s a bit rich for him to describe the families of the hostages “useful idiots” for not protesting the way he thinks they should be.

Never described that, though. The protests in question involve the Useful Idiots with anti-Israel messages.

The families of the hostages are asking Israel to negotiate politically to have the hostages released.

The protests in the U.S for the most part are asking the U.S. to support an immediate ceasefire.

Neither group is delusional enough to think Hamas cares what they protest about. You seem to think Hamas cares what protestors say. So get a sign and start protesting my dude.

I think Hamas should surrender. Others apparently do not. I am right. They are wrong.

Get your sign and get out there. The world—and this conflict— is just waiting for someone who thinks he’s right and others are wrong!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yup.

Isn’t it mostly Ashkenazi jews living in Israel? These are Europeans. Yeah we all have ties to the middle east if you go back far enough. My pagan ancestors were there before the jews so there. God, get a life.