APS elementary planning initiative called off

[Anonymous]

If you think someone is sock puppeteer, go ahead and click the report button so Jeff can check it out. If it is sockpuppeting, he’ll delete it. As 19:47, I’m not even remotely concerned.

[Anonymous]

Not an ASF parent, but walkable families deserve a walkable school. The status quo is plain stupid. Rosslyn busers can be bused elsewhere or go to key. Move along there is nothing to see here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I seem to recall the First Amendment specifically protects the right to petition the government. Surely no one here would advocate for anyone's Constitutional rights to be constrained based on the substance of their advocacy.

I think the PP point was that just because other parents from your school advocate on behalf of their child does not necessarily mean they are also advocating against someone else. it is possible to simply advocate for what you want for your child alone without saying something about someone else's child.

I wasn't taking issue with that person's post, but rather with 16:07 who made the original complaint about people meeting with SB members to discuss boundaries, as if that were somehow inherently inappropriate.

i agree with you and add that maybe folks should not think the worse of others - just because parents are meeting with SB members does not necessarily mean they are saying something bad about other people - they may just be talking about their own children

So a few things are of note:
1. The people meeting with the school board do not attend asfs. They met in a large group (20-30 parents), and about half of them either were rising k children or parents of kids that currently attend Taylor.
2. These same non-asfs parents joined the asfs pta en masse to influence the asfs pta election. Who knows what theirmotivation was there. I can’t think of any good reason why people with child age kids would join a pta for a school they do not currently attend. When a large number of actual current asfs parents asked where these random parents came from, those current asfs parents were bullied by members of the cherrydale parents who have kids at asfs. Imagine mean texts, verbal cut downs at soccer games and school events, telling their kids that they aren’t allowed to play with so and so because that kids parents are trying to destroy the school. Totally inappropriate behavior. I don’t care what your personal stance on this is, but bullying is not right and this is not important enough to invite strangers into our community.
3. These same non-asfs parents showed up at pta meetings that school board meetings were present. At those meetings they kept lamenting: “those kids from the key zone are overcrowding our school. They’re taking resources from the rest of our kids. You promised us a walk zone.” Keep in mind these parents don’t have kids at asfs. I can’t imagine anyone who is an actual member of the community saying those hurtful borderline racist things!

This behavior is at best strange and at worst unhinged. So yes both side is insufferable, but the parents from the walk zone crossed so many lines.

speaking of cray cray ...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I seem to recall the First Amendment specifically protects the right to petition the government. Surely no one here would advocate for anyone's Constitutional rights to be constrained based on the substance of their advocacy.

I think the PP point was that just because other parents from your school advocate on behalf of their child does not necessarily mean they are also advocating against someone else. it is possible to simply advocate for what you want for your child alone without saying something about someone else's child.

I wasn't taking issue with that person's post, but rather with 16:07 who made the original complaint about people meeting with SB members to discuss boundaries, as if that were somehow inherently inappropriate.

i agree with you and add that maybe folks should not think the worse of others - just because parents are meeting with SB members does not necessarily mean they are saying something bad about other people - they may just be talking about their own children

So a few things are of note:
1. The people meeting with the school board do not attend asfs. They met in a large group (20-30 parents), and about half of them either were rising k children or parents of kids that currently attend Taylor.
2. These same non-asfs parents joined the asfs pta en masse to influence the asfs pta election. Who knows what theirmotivation was there. I can’t think of any good reason why people with child age kids would join a pta for a school they do not currently attend. When a large number of actual current asfs parents asked where these random parents came from, those current asfs parents were bullied by members of the cherrydale parents who have kids at asfs. Imagine mean texts, verbal cut downs at soccer games and school events, telling their kids that they aren’t allowed to play with so and so because that kids parents are trying to destroy the school. Totally inappropriate behavior. I don’t care what your personal stance on this is, but bullying is not right and this is not important enough to invite strangers into our community.
3. These same non-asfs parents showed up at pta meetings that school board meetings were present. At those meetings they kept lamenting: “those kids from the key zone are overcrowding our school. They’re taking resources from the rest of our kids. You promised us a walk zone.” Keep in mind these parents don’t have kids at asfs. I can’t imagine anyone who is an actual member of the community saying those hurtful borderline racist things!

This behavior is at best strange and at worst unhinged. So yes both side is insufferable, but the parents from the walk zone crossed so many lines.

1. You don't have to be in the current school zone to speak to the school board about where the school's boundaries should be. Anyone is allowed to opine about the boundaries anywhere. As a Discovery parent, I am perfectly within my rights to speak to the school board about where I think the Fleet boundaries should be. It is up to the school board member to decide whether my suggestions make sense.

2a. ASFS's PTA is governed by the National PTA, and as such is not allowed to limit its membership to only current school families; the National PTA requires that every member PTA "shall be open, without discrimination, to anyone who believes in and supports the mission and purposes of National PTA." You don't even need to have kids to be allowed to join a PTA. Thus, those other families who felt they had an interest in ASFS PTA governance (such as because they expected they may be members of the school community in the future) were perfectly within their rights to join the ASFS PTA.

2b. Any alleged bullying (which, based on your post, appears to have been committed by current ASFS community members rather than by these outside members) is the sole responsibility of those doing the actual bullying.

3. See 1.

Discovery parent, my a$$.

I’m sure So Arlington parents would welcome suggestions from a No Arlington parent on their bondaries, you are a piece of work.

You don’t join a school PTA you don’t attend with the intention of influencing the leadership and election. Sure you want to know when the class Picnic is, great.

And the parents in rosslyn being pushed out are generally two working families of much more limited means and making the PTA is much more of a challlenge.

Yes, I am a Discovery parent. And when I said in an earlier post that both sides were insufferable at times, this is you being insufferable.

When boundaries are drawn, ASFS will be within its own boundary. The school board has been very clear about this, so the boundaries will have to change to accommodate it. Most likely planning unit 23170 will be as well since it's definitively within the ASFS walk zone. Based on the location review analysis, these two planning units will fill only about 18% of the school's capacity, leaving 82% to be filled by other planning units. There are a lot of different ways boundaries can be drawn to fill that 82%, so stop losing your head about how including those two planning units in ASFS means everyone in Rosslyn is going to be kicked out, because you simply do not know this to be true and screaming it anyway makes you look like a lunatic.

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[Anonymous]

Were there non-PTA members voting in the recent election?! Yikes!

They should have had a sign-in sheet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Were there non-PTA members voting in the recent election?! Yikes!

They should have had a sign-in sheet.

That is not what pp said. PP said people who do not currently have children ASFS joined the PTA and then voted in the PTA election as valid voting members.

[Anonymous]

The misinformation on this site about ASFS is appalling.

No one who isn’t currently at ASFS joined the PTA and voted in the recent election. Two people who live in the neighborhood who would like to eventually attend the school came to one meeting where no election was held.


However, at the meeting where elections were held, the attendance record reached an all time high with new members/attendees who currently attend ASFS but had never come to a previous meeting. They showed up with copies of the same email (probably from the same PP accusing neighborhood people of being racist for wanting to walk to school) telling them who to vote for/vote out. Once the vote was over (and before the results were announced), they all left.

If anything, all these posts about ASFS support the need for APS and the SB to redrawn boundaries around ASFS sooner rather than later so that we can all be spared any further threads on the issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The misinformation on this site about ASFS is appalling.

No one who isn’t currently at ASFS joined the PTA and voted in the recent election. Two people who live in the neighborhood who would like to eventually attend the school came to one meeting where no election was held.


However, at the meeting where elections were held, the attendance record reached an all time high with new members/attendees who currently attend ASFS but had never come to a previous meeting. They showed up with copies of the same email (probably from the same PP accusing neighborhood people of being racist for wanting to walk to school) telling them who to vote for/vote out. Once the vote was over (and before the results were announced), they all left.

If anything, all these posts about ASFS support the need for APS and the SB to redrawn boundaries around ASFS sooner rather than later so that we can all be spared any further threads on the issue.

Wow, that certainly gives a different color to things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The misinformation on this site about ASFS is appalling.

No one who isn’t currently at ASFS joined the PTA and voted in the recent election. Two people who live in the neighborhood who would like to eventually attend the school came to one meeting where no election was held.


However, at the meeting where elections were held, the attendance record reached an all time high with new members/attendees who currently attend ASFS but had never come to a previous meeting. They showed up with copies of the same email (probably from the same PP accusing neighborhood people of being racist for wanting to walk to school) telling them who to vote for/vote out. Once the vote was over (and before the results were announced), they all left.

If anything, all these posts about ASFS support the need for APS and the SB to redrawn boundaries around ASFS sooner rather than later so that we can all be spared any further threads on the issue.

couldn't agree more - spare us more of these threads - so tired of hearing about the "poor Rosslyn families who {gasp} both work!" and those terrible self-serving Cherrydale families who {gasp} "want to walk to school" - seriously people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The misinformation on this site about ASFS is appalling.

No one who isn’t currently at ASFS joined the PTA and voted in the recent election. Two people who live in the neighborhood who would like to eventually attend the school came to one meeting where no election was held.


However, at the meeting where elections were held, the attendance record reached an all time high with new members/attendees who currently attend ASFS but had never come to a previous meeting. They showed up with copies of the same email (probably from the same PP accusing neighborhood people of being racist for wanting to walk to school) telling them who to vote for/vote out. Once the vote was over (and before the results were announced), they all left.

If anything, all these posts about ASFS support the need for APS and the SB to redrawn boundaries around ASFS sooner rather than later so that we can all be spared any further threads on the issue.

This seems a lot more credible to me than pp's crazypants story.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The misinformation on this site about ASFS is appalling.

No one who isn’t currently at ASFS joined the PTA and voted in the recent election. Two people who live in the neighborhood who would like to eventually attend the school came to one meeting where no election was held.


However, at the meeting where elections were held, the attendance record reached an all time high with new members/attendees who currently attend ASFS but had never come to a previous meeting. They showed up with copies of the same email (probably from the same PP accusing neighborhood people of being racist for wanting to walk to school) telling them who to vote for/vote out. Once the vote was over (and before the results were announced), they all left.

If anything, all these posts about ASFS support the need for APS and the SB to redrawn boundaries around ASFS sooner rather than later so that we can all be spared any further threads on the issue.

thanks for the accurate description

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Were there non-PTA members voting in the recent election?! Yikes!

They should have had a sign-in sheet.

That is not what pp said. PP said people who do not currently have children ASFS joined the PTA and then voted in the PTA election as valid voting members.

I am really surprised at the number of people who are cool with people who don’t have parents at a school joining and voting in a schools PTA... even if it didn’t happen that is whack and not sure why anyone is cool with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The misinformation on this site about ASFS is appalling.

No one who isn’t currently at ASFS joined the PTA and voted in the recent election. Two people who live in the neighborhood who would like to eventually attend the school came to one meeting where no election was held.


However, at the meeting where elections were held, the attendance record reached an all time high with new members/attendees who currently attend ASFS but had never come to a previous meeting. They showed up with copies of the same email (probably from the same PP accusing neighborhood people of being racist for wanting to walk to school) telling them who to vote for/vote out. Once the vote was over (and before the results were announced), they all left.

If anything, all these posts about ASFS support the need for APS and the SB to redrawn boundaries around ASFS sooner rather than later so that we can all be spared any further threads on the issue.

thanks for the accurate description

That should table it until 2021 so we won’t have to go thru this again in 2021. Even if they do it now, if they are rezoning neighboring schools it will come up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not an ASF parent, but walkable families deserve a walkable school. The status quo is plain stupid. Rosslyn busers can be bused elsewhere or go to key. Move along there is nothing to see here.

Buses anywhere? That’s ridiculous, why should they have to have a much longer bus ride than any current Taylor student?

And they can’t go to key, that was the decision that made this mess. Why don’t you keep up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The misinformation on this site about ASFS is appalling.

No one who isn’t currently at ASFS joined the PTA and voted in the recent election. Two people who live in the neighborhood who would like to eventually attend the school came to one meeting where no election was held.


However, at the meeting where elections were held, the attendance record reached an all time high with new members/attendees who currently attend ASFS but had never come to a previous meeting. They showed up with copies of the same email (probably from the same PP accusing neighborhood people of being racist for wanting to walk to school) telling them who to vote for/vote out. Once the vote was over (and before the results were announced), they all left.

If anything, all these posts about ASFS support the need for APS and the SB to redrawn boundaries around ASFS sooner rather than later so that we can all be spared any further threads on the issue.

thanks for the accurate description

That should table it until 2021 so we won’t have to go thru this again in 2021. Even if they do it now, if they are rezoning neighboring schools it will come up.

keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel good!