Who thinks it is ridiculous when someone says his/her child is bored in school?

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At best, staggering obstinacy and perhaps an arrogant refusal to acknowledge it when everything's shown she's wrong

At worst, harboring an agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:It's nonsense to suggest anything about "truly gifted" not becoming bored. Gifted children are not born with an instruction manual, development plan, or some mystical universal secret of staying entertained wired into their heads. Like any kid they too need to be nurtured and guided in constructive directions as they develop. Anyone who does not understand that knows nothing about child development.

I know plenty about child development. Have a PhD in early childhood education, actually.

Being gifted does not present with boredom. Gifted children generally don't settle for boredom. They find something to do.

So, please, spare me the condescension about what I know and what I don't know.

So you're here to defend the system, rather than address the fact that the system doesn't meet the needs of many gifted kdis?

Got it. And no agenda

Where did you read all that into her post? She was addressing your narrow question about the link between gifted ness and boredom.

The statements I bolded are what suggests a hidden agenda. The research on giftedness doesn't back up her statements. She's flatly wrong.. Anyone fighting that hard with what the research shows is nursing an agenda.

I'm not that person quoted...but belt the bolded quote is true. Oh...no agenda here, just an opinion based on in services and teaching for more than 30 years.

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Anonymous wrote:12:01, it is simply not true that "3-5% of kids have IQs of 140+" as you say. See this page from a well-regarded site for gifted kids: www.hoagiesgifted.org/underserved.html.

Scroll down to the table. The table shows that IQs of 130-144, which is the range for "moderately gifted," occur in about 1 of every 44-1000 kids. So IQs of 130 occur in about 2.3% (1/44) of kids. IQs of 144 occur in about 0.1% (1/1000) of kids. That's not 1%, that's 0.1% of kids. The categories of "highly," "exceptionally" and "profoundly" gifted kids are even rarer. There aren't as many cheetahs and ferraris as you think.

Let's take this further. Wikipedia says DC public schools have 44,000 kids. So multiply this by 2.3% and you get a total of 1,013 kids with IQs of 130 or above in the system. Spread over 13 grades K-12, this comes out to 78 kids per grade with IQs of 130 or higher. You can start to see how this isn't a huge priority for DC with so many other needs.

I agree completely with you that govt should spend more on education and less on defense et cetera. But wishing and picking fights on DCUM won't make it true.

That's one study, there are others that show higher percentages. Consider also that the DC metro area happens to attract many of the best and brightest professionals from around the country, as well as internationally - it stands to reason that DC's potential population of G&T could potentially be higher. But even so, 78 kids per grade is nothing to sneeze at. You do realize that DCPS manages to justify keeping schools open that have FEWER kids per grade than that? Those numbers basically could justify an entire DCPS school devoted solely to G&T.

And meanwhile, what's your proposal for meeting their needs? Basically all you've done is throw up complaints and objections, as opposed to solutions. If you are so concerned about clarifying things here, then clarify for us all whether you are part of the solution or just part of the problem - because to most of us it seems you are part of the problem.

It's a study cited by a group that's strongly supportive of G&T programs. So I'm willing to give it more much credit than some mythical alternative study you think *might* exist, but which you can't cite. I'm not going to tackle your speculation about the supposed higher-than-average prevalence of GT kids in the DMV area, or whether if that exists it's in the city or the burbs, except to say that it's just your unproven speculation.

You're not talking to one poster. There are at least two besides me in the previous post where the 30-year teacher supports the child development specialist's position. Neither of these is me. Lots of experience here, but you don't want to listen.

Finally, re meeting their needs. You don't want to understand what multiple posters have told you. I'm sick and tired of repeating it to you. But the raw facts are that DC as no extra budget money and tons of competing needs. They'd have to take $ away from gifted kids and kids in high school who can't read yet. You know this, yes you do. Lots of us moved to VA or MD. You need to put on your big girl panties, stop being so self-centered, take a clear-eyed look at reality, and, if your kid really does need extra services, move.

[Anonymous]

I think her agenda is that her kids are not smart, so nobody else's are either. It is all fake. I feel sorry for her kids.
She does not sound too bright, despite repeated postings and insistance.

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Maybe she does not want to live in the suburbs, so the suburban schools are not good ones (in her mind).

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Anonymous wrote:It's nonsense to suggest anything about "truly gifted" not becoming bored. Gifted children are not born with an instruction manual, development plan, or some mystical universal secret of staying entertained wired into their heads. Like any kid they too need to be nurtured and guided in constructive directions as they develop. Anyone who does not understand that knows nothing about child development.

I know plenty about child development. Have a PhD in early childhood education, actually.

Being gifted does not present with boredom. Gifted children generally don't settle for boredom. They find something to do.

So, please, spare me the condescension about what I know and what I don't know.

So you're here to defend the system, rather than address the fact that the system doesn't meet the needs of many gifted kdis?

Got it.

Where did you read all that into her post? She was addressing your narrow question about the link between gifted ness and boredom.

The statements I bolded are what suggests a hidden agenda. The research on giftedness doesn't back up her statements. She's flatly wrong.. Anyone fighting that hard with what the research shows is nursing an agenda.

No wonder it's impossible to talk to you. A poster with a PhD makes some statements that are accepted by many experts in her field. You see a conspiracy.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe she does not want to live in the suburbs, so the suburban schools are not good ones (in her mind).

We didn't want to move to the suburbs either, but we did. We faced up to the fact that DC schools weren't going to improve in time for our kids who are now teenagers. And we didn't want to demand the DC government tae away money from the poor or elderly to serve our kids. So we moved. It's called being a grown up.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe she does not want to live in the suburbs, so the suburban schools are not good ones (in her mind).

We didn't want to move to the suburbs either, but we did. We faced up to the fact that DC schools weren't going to improve in time for our kids who are now teenagers. And we didn't want to demand the DC government tae away money from the poor or elderly to serve our kids. So we moved. It's called being a grown up.

I have lived here for 20+ years and have not seen them get any better.

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Anonymous wrote:I think her agenda is that her kids are not smart, so nobody else's are either. It is all fake. I feel sorry for her kids.
She does not sound too bright, despite repeated postings and insistance.

I hope you're the troll. It's completely unclear who you're referring to - talking about stupid posts and stupidity.

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Anonymous wrote:It's nonsense to suggest anything about "truly gifted" not becoming bored. Gifted children are not born with an instruction manual, development plan, or some mystical universal secret of staying entertained wired into their heads. Like any kid they too need to be nurtured and guided in constructive directions as they develop. Anyone who does not understand that knows nothing about child development.

I know plenty about child development. Have a PhD in early childhood education, actually.

Being gifted does not present with boredom. Gifted children generally don't settle for boredom. They find something to do.

So, please, spare me the condescension about what I know and what I don't know.

So you're here to defend the system, rather than address the fact that the system doesn't meet the needs of many gifted kdis?

Got it.

Where did you read all that into her post? She was addressing your narrow question about the link between gifted ness and boredom.

The statements I bolded are what suggests a hidden agenda. The research on giftedness doesn't back up her statements. She's flatly wrong.. Anyone fighting that hard with what the research shows is nursing an agenda.

No wonder it's impossible to talk to you. A poster with a PhD makes some statements that are accepted by many experts in her field. You see a conspiracy.

A conspiracy takes more than one person. I think she's just a bigot with an axe to grind.

Here are a handful of cites that says she's wrong:

http://www.davidsongifted.org/db/Articles_id_10316.aspx

http://www.sengifted.org/archives/articles/misdiagnosis-and-dual-diagnosis-of-gifted-children

http://eideneurolearningblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/gifted-big-picture-high-conceptual.html

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/opinion/gifted-students-bored-and-ignored/nQkBn/

http://books.google.com/books?id=AvgyQ5oBYPAC&pg=PA170&dq=boredom+gifted&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Txi3UfmFEovy9gTY8oGwAQ&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=boredom%20gifted&f=false

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02783199709553808#.UbcXChxORmw

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02783190309554235#.UbcXTBxORmw

http://books.google.com/books?id=K6IykIOvtAoC&pg=PA66&dq=boredom+gifted&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bBi3Ub2ZEZTQ9ASvloDQBA&ved=0CEMQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=boredom%20gifted&f=false

[Anonymous]

There are more than one person disagreeing with you, please stop pretending you don't see that. So "conspiracy" it is.

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There are many more than one thread or one poster on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:There are more than one person disagreeing with you, please stop pretending you don't see that. So "conspiracy" it is.

A conspiracy is an agreement to commit a crime or wrongful act. A random bunch of bigots isn't a conspiracy.

[Anonymous]

I'm bored.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are more than one person disagreeing with you, please stop pretending you don't see that. So "conspiracy" it is.

A conspiracy is an agreement to commit a crime or wrongful act. A random bunch of bigots isn't a conspiracy.

A "bigot" isn't someone who disagrees with you. And what's the BS about posters having hidden "agendas"? If this is the way you behave IRL, I sure don't want you in my kid's GT program.