COVID Lockdowns Were a Giant Experiment. It Was a Failure.

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Anonymous wrote:I still have no clue why all the playgrounds got fenced off and closed. WHY?!

We tried very hard to keep things normal for our small kids, but as parents we paid a heavy price. I changed a lot as a parent and also as a person. I had a great life beforehand filled with friends and relatives. It made me realize that you can't rely on anyone. Grandparents just huddled in their houses by themselves while kids had mental breakdown and parents nearly lost their jobs.

Yes I was changed as a person too. Became pretty jaded. My kid, surprisingly, did better - but I would never dream of denying that some kids were deeply affected.
As for the playgrounds - those in power had to “do something” and it was the easiest thing to do.

People were dying and your biggest worry was playgrounds. You can get a $100-200 swing set for your backyard. No backyard, go to a friends house.

Literally no one was dying of covid from open playgrounds. Don't be ridiculous.

Of course a kid could get Covid and bring it home to a parent or grandparents.

But that same kid would not bring it home if they attended a protest against racism. Because that was different.

It’s barely transmitted outdoors. If you were that distraught about the discrepancy you could have helped arrange school outside instead of making fun of people here who took steps to do that. It was a lot harder work, though.

Unless it was an outdoor playground. Because then it would definitely transmit. Same goes for joggers on the sidewalk.

Playgrounds were closed for how long? Joggers were asked to mask for how long?

It’s been years. At this point you sound like the ones with the harder time moving on.

I really don't understand why you're so opposed to identifying and learning from the mistakes made in our pandemic response. It's quite odd. Are you fundamentally opposed to learning history, too?

+1 the unions have been screeching "get over it!" since 2021 because they don't want anyone to learn from the experience, as that learning would highlight the harms that extended virtual schooling created.

LOL

AFT put out a detailed written plan for safely reopening schools in April of 2020. Why didn't you get behind it at the time if you wanted schools open? (Answer with care; your animosity for teachers' unions no matter what they say or do may be about to be on irrevocable display!)

The plan is here BTW: https://www.aft.org/sites/default/files/media/2020/covid19_reopen-america-schools.pdf

Yet strangely, not only do I not remember any local district or the local or state union representatives pushing for the ideas in this guidance, in the summer of 2020, such as this:

Revisiting the community school model is a way to do all of the above. Even before the COVID-19 pandemic, community schools created a community hub where students and families could get access to health services, where marginalized communities received support, and where necessary services were available in one place. This model is needed even more now, given the effects of the pandemic—from the inequalities that have been exacerbated, to the need for care before and after school so that essential workers can 8 continue to work and other parents can return to work. If experts deem it safe, summer may be a way to start planning a community school model that incorporates the collaborative partnerships and community resources families have used, including meals and medical care, while schools were closed.3 Summer is a way to try things other countries are doing, including Denmark, Germany, Israel and Norway, which are bringing in small groups of students who need instruction first, including students with special needs whose needs were hardest to meet during closure. A voluntary multiweek summer session could provide enrichment and “catch-up” time. It also would enable trying, on a smaller scale, protocols that may work when schools open more broadly, including staggered scheduling, increased hand-washing, and nightly school cleaning. And summer can be an opportunity to expand grab-and-go nutrition programs, as food insecurity remains a pressing issue for far too many students. Now is the time for unions and employers to work on all issues for returning to school. This includes programming, space, operations, logistics, calendar, and aligning all the public health interventions with all the schooling interventions: ensuring students’ healthy social, emotional and academic development; nurturing productive relationships; building resilience; supporting diversity and inclusion; and rebuilding the school community.

Yes, there were meals, but were groups of students brought in during this time? Was any enrichment offered? Did I miss that?

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Anonymous wrote:I still have no clue why all the playgrounds got fenced off and closed. WHY?!

We tried very hard to keep things normal for our small kids, but as parents we paid a heavy price. I changed a lot as a parent and also as a person. I had a great life beforehand filled with friends and relatives. It made me realize that you can't rely on anyone. Grandparents just huddled in their houses by themselves while kids had mental breakdown and parents nearly lost their jobs.

Yes I was changed as a person too. Became pretty jaded. My kid, surprisingly, did better - but I would never dream of denying that some kids were deeply affected.
As for the playgrounds - those in power had to “do something” and it was the easiest thing to do.

People were dying and your biggest worry was playgrounds. You can get a $100-200 swing set for your backyard. No backyard, go to a friends house.

Literally no one was dying of covid from open playgrounds. Don't be ridiculous.

Of course a kid could get Covid and bring it home to a parent or grandparents.

But that same kid would not bring it home if they attended a protest against racism. Because that was different.

It’s barely transmitted outdoors. If you were that distraught about the discrepancy you could have helped arrange school outside instead of making fun of people here who took steps to do that. It was a lot harder work, though.

Unless it was an outdoor playground. Because then it would definitely transmit. Same goes for joggers on the sidewalk.

Playgrounds were closed for how long? Joggers were asked to mask for how long?

It’s been years. At this point you sound like the ones with the harder time moving on.

I really don't understand why you're so opposed to identifying and learning from the mistakes made in our pandemic response. It's quite odd. Are you fundamentally opposed to learning history, too?

You know that PP is one of the first to cry about righting past wrongs and doing better. Unless that PP is on the wrong side of history, like now. Then it's "OMG stop talking about it!". So hypocritical.

Learning from history and suffering continued personalized trauma from it are two very different things. When you're lashing out at others, making false and hyperbolic claims about who did what at what time, and generally still being an ahole on the internet, you are in "suffering continued personalized trauma" territory, not in "learning from history" territory.

I bid you peace.

That's different! Of course it is. Like some gatherings of people don't spread viruses but other group meetings obviously would. You're so transparent.

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If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

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Anonymous wrote:I still have no clue why all the playgrounds got fenced off and closed. WHY?!

We tried very hard to keep things normal for our small kids, but as parents we paid a heavy price. I changed a lot as a parent and also as a person. I had a great life beforehand filled with friends and relatives. It made me realize that you can't rely on anyone. Grandparents just huddled in their houses by themselves while kids had mental breakdown and parents nearly lost their jobs.

Yes I was changed as a person too. Became pretty jaded. My kid, surprisingly, did better - but I would never dream of denying that some kids were deeply affected.
As for the playgrounds - those in power had to “do something” and it was the easiest thing to do.

People were dying and your biggest worry was playgrounds. You can get a $100-200 swing set for your backyard. No backyard, go to a friends house.

Literally no one was dying of covid from open playgrounds. Don't be ridiculous.

Of course a kid could get Covid and bring it home to a parent or grandparents.

But that same kid would not bring it home if they attended a protest against racism. Because that was different.

It’s barely transmitted outdoors. If you were that distraught about the discrepancy you could have helped arrange school outside instead of making fun of people here who took steps to do that. It was a lot harder work, though.

Unless it was an outdoor playground. Because then it would definitely transmit. Same goes for joggers on the sidewalk.

Playgrounds were closed for how long? Joggers were asked to mask for how long?

It’s been years. At this point you sound like the ones with the harder time moving on.

I really don't understand why you're so opposed to identifying and learning from the mistakes made in our pandemic response. It's quite odd. Are you fundamentally opposed to learning history, too?

+1 the unions have been screeching "get over it!" since 2021 because they don't want anyone to learn from the experience, as that learning would highlight the harms that extended virtual schooling created.

LOL

AFT put out a detailed written plan for safely reopening schools in April of 2020. Why didn't you get behind it at the time if you wanted schools open? (Answer with care; your animosity for teachers' unions no matter what they say or do may be about to be on irrevocable display!)

The plan is here BTW: https://www.aft.org/sites/default/files/media/2020/covid19_reopen-america-schools.pdf

Yet strangely, not only do I not remember any local district or the local or state union representatives pushing for the ideas in this guidance, in the summer of 2020, such as this:

Revisiting the community school model is a way to do all of the above. Even before the COVID-19 pandemic, community schools created a community hub where students and families could get access to health services, where marginalized communities received support, and where necessary services were available in one place. This model is needed even more now, given the effects of the pandemic—from the inequalities that have been exacerbated, to the need for care before and after school so that essential workers can 8 continue to work and other parents can return to work. If experts deem it safe, summer may be a way to start planning a community school model that incorporates the collaborative partnerships and community resources families have used, including meals and medical care, while schools were closed.3 Summer is a way to try things other countries are doing, including Denmark, Germany, Israel and Norway, which are bringing in small groups of students who need instruction first, including students with special needs whose needs were hardest to meet during closure. A voluntary multiweek summer session could provide enrichment and “catch-up” time. It also would enable trying, on a smaller scale, protocols that may work when schools open more broadly, including staggered scheduling, increased hand-washing, and nightly school cleaning. And summer can be an opportunity to expand grab-and-go nutrition programs, as food insecurity remains a pressing issue for far too many students. Now is the time for unions and employers to work on all issues for returning to school. This includes programming, space, operations, logistics, calendar, and aligning all the public health interventions with all the schooling interventions: ensuring students’ healthy social, emotional and academic development; nurturing productive relationships; building resilience; supporting diversity and inclusion; and rebuilding the school community.

Yes, there were meals, but were groups of students brought in during this time? Was any enrichment offered? Did I miss that?

Even mcps had child care and meals. And much more. It’s sad people stopped all the help post Covid.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

I hope you're not a teacher and wrote ^ that mess. Yikes. So much going on.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

Um, flexible would have meant figuring out a way to get kids back to school, even just the more at risk.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

I hope you're not a teacher and wrote ^ that mess. Yikes. So much going on.

Stop blaming teachers for your issues. Teachers were working.

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Americans are stupid especially the antivax anti mask crowd

Its disgusting how they behaved

It’s horrible how they still are

Idiots every single one who screams lock Fauci up. You are literally morons.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

I hope you're not a teacher and wrote ^ that mess. Yikes. So much going on.

Stop blaming teachers for your issues. Teachers were working.

They were? Then explain the learning loss. How did that happen?

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

Um, flexible would have meant figuring out a way to get kids back to school, even just the more at risk.

No, flexibility is not returning in person till the crisis is over. The more at risk were offered child care which shows how self involved you are. They had child care and also offered daily meals for kids. Stop using other families as talking points as they made it work and here you are still complaining. And, clearly if you are here during work hours you could have supported your kids virtually.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

I hope you're not a teacher and wrote ^ that mess. Yikes. So much going on.

the crazy thing is remembering when PP’s viewpoint held sway in DC and nationally in “progressive” spheres. remember all the crazy things they claimed, like that reopening schools would mean everyone would get covid in 30 days? SO glad saner minds prevailed. I remember being nervous in summer 2021 that they were going to tank school due to “Delta” but luckily did not happen.

Example: https://www.atlantamagazine.com/health/the-delta-variant-changed-everything-for-schoolchildren/

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Anonymous wrote:Americans are stupid especially the antivax anti mask crowd

Its disgusting how they behaved

It’s horrible how they still are

Idiots every single one who screams lock Fauci up. You are literally morons.

And this is why we have to keep rehashing the COVID failure.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

Um, flexible would have meant figuring out a way to get kids back to school, even just the more at risk.

No, flexibility is not returning in person till the crisis is over. The more at risk were offered child care which shows how self involved you are. They had child care and also offered daily meals for kids. Stop using other families as talking points as they made it work and here you are still complaining. And, clearly if you are here during work hours you could have supported your kids virtually.

lol no that is not flexibility. it is an insane extreme.

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

I hope you're not a teacher and wrote ^ that mess. Yikes. So much going on.

Stop blaming teachers for your issues. Teachers were working.

No, y’all gave yourselves Wednesdays off … what a joke

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Anonymous wrote:If you all could not be flexible during a major health crisis and only cared about yourselves, it speaks volumes. Normal childhood? Years ago, normal was being educated at home? Sounds like you all are ridged, inflexible and refuse to parent. What is going on at home that makes you so unhappy you cannot be at home. There are people with real health issues and you making fun of them screaming anxiety makes you a bully and this is probably why your kids struggled so much. It was not Covid but you. You have the mental health issues. It was really no big deal. If anything the slowed down life, dinner as a family and spending more time together brought us closer.

I hope you're not a teacher and wrote ^ that mess. Yikes. So much going on.

Stop blaming teachers for your issues. Teachers were working.

They were? Then explain the learning loss. How did that happen?

My kids had zero learning loss. We helped them, made sure they logged on and did their work, used the free tutors and more. Why did you not do that? Most kids who struggled always struggled but were ignored. If a middle schooler was struggling it was because the school and parents failed them before all this. Many kids have lots of unidentified needs and parents like you expect the schools to 100 percent fix them which will never happen. My best explanation is the dumbed down curriculum because of complaining parents like you, and those who did not monitor their kids. Mine were fine. So, how was your house structured where your kids were not and what did you do about it vs complain?