Biden wants RTO

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Anonymous wrote:My friends in commercial real estate have not been doing well. No international vacay this summer. They had to slum it in OBX with the common folk. They also had to cancel the winter break ski trip we always take every year to ring in the new year. They also changed their spring break trip plans to a road trip to visit relatives in FL from a Bahamas trip.

This fits the pattern.

Honestly I don’t have a great deal of sympathy to landlords that were gouging small and medium businesses for many years.

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Anonymous wrote:They need to do a WFH tax.

What part of its not your money do you not understand?

What part of the difference between its and it’s do you not understand?

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Sorry but the idea that Donald Trump would act against commercial real estate and push companies to allow more employees to WFH is laughable. He made his fortune in commercial real estate! And his prime demographic is the white working class who predominantly have jobs that can’t be done remotely.

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Anonymous wrote:Because the country cannot tolerate WFH.

Banks are sh!tting bricks right now about huge losses they would be on the hook for as commercial real estate values tank due to WFH. City govts across the country are also in deep dookie as they are losing massive amounts of tax revenue due to commercial real estate vacancies. Converting offices to living space doesn’t solve the problem either, because local govts get 2x the amount of tax revenue from commercial RE as they do from residential.

Biden is moving t push fir RTO because our banking overlords will losing trillions of dollars due to huge losses in commercial RE value. Tons of local govts will also go bankrupt and spiral into insolvency. SF has now blown up its budget and is running almost $1B in the red now. DC warned the same, and is almost $500M in the red over the coming years due to huge losses in tax revenue from office vacancies. Our entire stupid system is built upon RE speculation, thus when the model gets completely upended the country is now at dire risk for a massive black swan event that will crater the economy. All it is going to take is one bank going belly up and citing commercial RE losses for a economic maelstrom to be unleashed.

Biden didn’t order Feds to RTO. A member of his staff wrote a lukewarm memo. If the President was serious about RTO, he could simply demand tomorrow all feds report. By the way it’s not the responsibility of the good citizens of MD an VA to prop up the District’s economy. I guarantee you that a month from now commuting into DC will be unchanged from what it’s been over the past 18 months. No agency head is going to give two cents to what Zients says.

You don’t know politics obviously. That’s not how it works. COS speaks for the president.

No they don’t.

So, you think Zients sent this out without Biden's blessing? Only 15 months before the election?

Could care less what Zients sent out. He has ABSOLUTELY ZERO authority over agency heads. The President does though and if this were an issue he would speak out on it. I guarantee there will be no significant impact from this announcement. If you think we Feds will RTO from this memo, I have a bridge to sell you.
It’s obvious you have no idea how politics work.

Pure idiot here.

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Anonymous wrote:My friends in commercial real estate have not been doing well. No international vacay this summer. They had to slum it in OBX with the common folk. They also had to cancel the winter break ski trip we always take every year to ring in the new year. They also changed their spring break trip plans to a road trip to visit relatives in FL from a Bahamas trip.

Good! F*u*c*k the parasite class. They should get a real job.

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Anonymous wrote:My friends in commercial real estate have not been doing well. No international vacay this summer. They had to slum it in OBX with the common folk. They also had to cancel the winter break ski trip we always take every year to ring in the new year. They also changed their spring break trip plans to a road trip to visit relatives in FL from a Bahamas trip.

Right? Poor baby can’t afford a 3 millions SFH. And their wife might have to … get a job!

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Anonymous wrote:The Biden admin just keeps pissing the wrong people off and it's going to back fire royally. They keep pushing they will see what's going to happen next election.

+100 THIS!

This idiocy was floated in another thread on this topic. It's as silly now as it was then.

I’m not sure I’d want to f-around with the Virginia vote.

Precisely which Republican candidate will be better for federal workers (i) on WFH issues, and (ii) generally speaking than Biden?

For this 52-year period, the federal workforce has had higher pay raises during a Republican administration. Here is how it breaks out.

The average pay raise per year: 3.71%
Under Republicans: 4.05%
Under Democrats: 3.65%

https://www.fedsmith.com/2021/01/10/50-years-federal-pay-democrats-v-republicans/

Yeah, because Rs screw up the economy so that Ds have to clean up a recession. That always comes with lower inflation.

I agree with you that Rs are awful, but no one has pointed to anything where the R presidential candidates said they would force federal employees back to the office. If Biden makes me spend 15 hours per week commuting just to please his rich donors, he is not getting my vote. I have no clue why anyone would support a candidate who gives such a strong middle finger to you. We don't know if a R would be better, but based on what Biden is advocating, it won't be any worse. So I'll take my chances.

I agree. The heck with all those women who may lose the right to choose. And I don't really care if corporate taxers are lowered to nothing. If I have ot do the commute I signed on for pre-pandemic, it'll turn me into a Trump voter. MAGA!!

The right to choose is already gone. Strange to hinge your vote on an issue that is no longer even up for debate at the national level. And what exactly has Biden done to raise corporate taxes?

Maybe the feckin’ useless Dems should have codified the right to choice and interstate reproductive services when they had the chance.

When exactly was that?

Oh I dunno, maybe during the multiple time periods when the controlled Congress and the Presidency.

Tell me you don't understand the filibuster without telling me you don't understand the filibuster.

Are all feds so ill-informed?

they never even tried

You seriously aren't this stupid, are you?

Feds, is this a good example of your ranks? Because if so, I think you feds should continue to work at home because you aren't able to operate a car safely, or be trusted out of the house on your own.

stfu

“ “When it starts to take too long, you see the Democratic Party essentially saying: Well, we’re not going to worry about this, we’ll get to this later,” Ziegler said. ”

feckless.

https://19thnews.org/2022/01/congress-codify-abortion-roe/?amp

Did you even read the article, you dolt? It makes the rather obvious point that it's impossible to pass a nationwide abortion law with the current makeup of the Senate.

It's this kind of magical thinking, combined with a lack of civics knowledge, that convinces rational people that progressives are not to be takes seriously.

the CURRENT senate. the Dems had opportunities in the past and did not take them … because they did not prioritize reproductive rights.

Is that so? Well, it shouldn't be too much trouble for you to point to the filibuster-proof majority in the Senate that would codify nationwide abortion rights - along wiht a democratic house and a democratic president.

It troubles me that so many people (or maybe just this one vocal one) are so clueless when it comes to basic civics.

Basic civics tells me that not only did Democrats fail to codify Roe - some actively eroded abortion rights in Congress by voting for the Hyde Amendment and Partial Birth Abortion ban. But I guess your view is that on abortion Democrats are perpetual victims, whereas Republicans somehow managed to get major federal limits codified. Ok!

In other words, contrary to your earlier misguided rantings, you can't point to a time when democrats could have codified Roe? OK.

Politics is the art of the possible, not the wishful thinking.

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Biden didn’t order Feds to RTO. A member of his staff wrote a lukewarm memo. If the President was serious about RTO, he could simply demand tomorrow all feds report. By the way it’s not the responsibility of the good citizens of MD an VA to prop up the District’s economy. I guarantee you that a month from now commuting into DC will be unchanged from what it’s been over the past 18 months. No agency head is going to give two cents to what Zients says.


False. My neighbor works for HHS. They’re basically expected to RTO normally by end of year. Well, at least that’s what she told me the other day while I was out mowing my lawn.

Even if so, isn't that like 2 days a week for some divisions?

My program (different mid-sized agency) is talking 3 days a week to keep your office. No one talked about it for many months but, all of sudden, it's on the table again.

This is being talked about where I work as well. We don’t have enough space for everyone to be in person and have an office, so I happily volunteered to give my office up to a new hire and just use a cubicle to keep my schedule of 2 days a week in the office.

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Anonymous wrote:Kvetch all you want, but Feds are going to be in office 3 days per week by 1Q2024. Sure, it's not going to be enough to "save CRE." But vast majority of large companies and organizations are back in person for a meaningful part of the week. The Federal government is a similarly large organization.

It is what it is. Make peace with with it. Accept it. Make a plan to deal with it, or start polishing that resume.

-Fed currently in the office 4 days/week

I know a lot of us who were in the office fewer than 3 days per week even before COVID. Telework was popular with many agencies before this became a trend. We don’t have physical office space for everyone even if they wanted us back that many days. So I think it depends on your agency’s history and whether in office vs telework was the culture before.

+1, I also can’t see reducing the amount of telework that was permissible pre-Covid. All of this seems to be aimed at restoring the balance that existed pre-Covid, which is unfortunate because I do think for the agencies where telework was not a thing pre-Covid they should now allow for some given that everyone is set up for it now and it is a perk for recruitment.

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The pandemic has made people very selfish. Using the reasoning in this thread, one could question almost any public/social expenditure. Why should old people pay taxes for your kid’s education? Why should today’s workers fund Social Security for old people? Why should US taxpayers pay for the defense of Ukraine? I hope people on this thread realize that their isolationist arguments are at the core of social disintegration. They may think that they’ve isolated themselves in a larger home in the distant suburbs, working from home visiting the local deli, but their retirement funds are still in the stock market and their neighborhood isn’t that far from a decaying city. We’re all more interconnected than most seem to realize.

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I'm ok with WFH with the caveat that nobody here is allowed to complain when their real estate values completely collapse once commercial goes first. Nobody here seems to understand cause and effect and what is going to come to this region. BuT iT's ThE FeDeRaL GoVeRNMeNt wE ArE ImMunE?! Am I right??!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm ok with WFH with the caveat that nobody here is allowed to complain when their real estate values completely collapse once commercial goes first. Nobody here seems to understand cause and effect and what is going to come to this region. BuT iT's ThE FeDeRaL GoVeRNMeNt wE ArE ImMunE?! Am I right??!

I promise I won’t complain when that happens. Lol

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I was a Fed for 20 years before I retired, so I have sympathy for some of the positions on this thread, but many in the country do not. Judging by the threads on DCUM, a lot of federal workers have become smug in their WFH jammies. I’m a Democrat, but I fear that a Republican government will make arrogant federal workers exhibit one when they assume power and seek to rally the masses against the Deep State. Beware that you’re sowing the seeds of your own demise. You are living in a bubble that’s going to pop. Prepare accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:The Biden admin just keeps pissing the wrong people off and it's going to back fire royally. They keep pushing they will see what's going to happen next election.

+100 THIS!

This idiocy was floated in another thread on this topic. It's as silly now as it was then.

I’m not sure I’d want to f-around with the Virginia vote.

Precisely which Republican candidate will be better for federal workers (i) on WFH issues, and (ii) generally speaking than Biden?

For this 52-year period, the federal workforce has had higher pay raises during a Republican administration. Here is how it breaks out.

The average pay raise per year: 3.71%
Under Republicans: 4.05%
Under Democrats: 3.65%

https://www.fedsmith.com/2021/01/10/50-years-federal-pay-democrats-v-republicans/

Yeah, because Rs screw up the economy so that Ds have to clean up a recession. That always comes with lower inflation.

I agree with you that Rs are awful, but no one has pointed to anything where the R presidential candidates said they would force federal employees back to the office. If Biden makes me spend 15 hours per week commuting just to please his rich donors, he is not getting my vote. I have no clue why anyone would support a candidate who gives such a strong middle finger to you. We don't know if a R would be better, but based on what Biden is advocating, it won't be any worse. So I'll take my chances.

I agree. The heck with all those women who may lose the right to choose. And I don't really care if corporate taxers are lowered to nothing. If I have ot do the commute I signed on for pre-pandemic, it'll turn me into a Trump voter. MAGA!!

The right to choose is already gone. Strange to hinge your vote on an issue that is no longer even up for debate at the national level. And what exactly has Biden done to raise corporate taxes?

Maybe the feckin’ useless Dems should have codified the right to choice and interstate reproductive services when they had the chance.

When exactly was that?

Oh I dunno, maybe during the multiple time periods when the controlled Congress and the Presidency.

Tell me you don't understand the filibuster without telling me you don't understand the filibuster.

Are all feds so ill-informed?

they never even tried

You seriously aren't this stupid, are you?

Feds, is this a good example of your ranks? Because if so, I think you feds should continue to work at home because you aren't able to operate a car safely, or be trusted out of the house on your own.

stfu

“ “When it starts to take too long, you see the Democratic Party essentially saying: Well, we’re not going to worry about this, we’ll get to this later,” Ziegler said. ”

feckless.

https://19thnews.org/2022/01/congress-codify-abortion-roe/?amp

Did you even read the article, you dolt? It makes the rather obvious point that it's impossible to pass a nationwide abortion law with the current makeup of the Senate.

It's this kind of magical thinking, combined with a lack of civics knowledge, that convinces rational people that progressives are not to be takes seriously.

the CURRENT senate. the Dems had opportunities in the past and did not take them … because they did not prioritize reproductive rights.

Is that so? Well, it shouldn't be too much trouble for you to point to the filibuster-proof majority in the Senate that would codify nationwide abortion rights - along wiht a democratic house and a democratic president.

It troubles me that so many people (or maybe just this one vocal one) are so clueless when it comes to basic civics.

Basic civics tells me that not only did Democrats fail to codify Roe - some actively eroded abortion rights in Congress by voting for the Hyde Amendment and Partial Birth Abortion ban. But I guess your view is that on abortion Democrats are perpetual victims, whereas Republicans somehow managed to get major federal limits codified. Ok!

In other words, contrary to your earlier misguided rantings, you can't point to a time when democrats could have codified Roe? OK.

Politics is the art of the possible, not the wishful thinking.

Look I’m sorry you don’t understand the history of reproductive rights. The notion that Democrats have always prioritized reproductive rights is just false. In the 90s they were an embarrassing women’s issue Ds tried to avoid - and there was no party unity on it. Rs had party unity and Dems helped them vote in anti-choice laws. Ds did not even try … including when they had a supermajority under Obama. They didn’t even have the foresight to take simple steps like repealing the Comstock laws.

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Anonymous wrote:The pandemic has made people very selfish. Using the reasoning in this thread, one could question almost any public/social expenditure. Why should old people pay taxes for your kid’s education? Why should today’s workers fund Social Security for old people? Why should US taxpayers pay for the defense of Ukraine? I hope people on this thread realize that their isolationist arguments are at the core of social disintegration. They may think that they’ve isolated themselves in a larger home in the distant suburbs, working from home visiting the local deli, but their retirement funds are still in the stock market and their neighborhood isn’t that far from a decaying city. We’re all more interconnected than most seem to realize.

Lol. The selfish thing is forcing middle-class workers to waste 1-2 hrs of their day commuting to save the giant corporate interests of commercial real estate. It’s just not a tenable moral claim, I’m sorry.