College Football--Big Ten Expansion

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Anonymous wrote:At these prices, I think that the Big Ten needs to consider adding ASU (Arizona State University). Not on equal footing with the current 16 Big Ten member schools, but at a significant payout over every other option that ASU has now or in the near future.

The Big Ten Conference should not hesitate about offering U Washington & U Oregon. If that is the end of Big Ten expansion, then all Big Ten member schools are winners. But, a true coast-to-coast conference along with the possible purchase of ESPN from Disney by the Big Ten Conference is a victory that few, if any, saw coming.

U-Arizona is the better academic fit for the B1G.

Just sayin'

("Just sayin'" ???? Not an impressive expression.)

Yes, U Arizona is a better academic fit, but ASU has an enormous alumni base and is located in a significant media market.

[Anonymous]

Phoenix is the #11 media market in the US. Phoenix is also an easy travel destination.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What Is Really Happening Is a Changing Of The Guard

Witness The Genius of the Big Ten Conference.

Pac-12 & ACC fire sale !

The Big Ten Conference can replace both ESPN/Disney & the NCAA if it wants to do so.

Pac-12 schools will (and should) join the Big Ten (IF invited) at a discounted payout with escalator clauses for outstanding results.

Pac-12 schools are looking at a payout of about $20 million per school plus possible bonus after being paid more than $30 million per school.

The Big Ten can hand pick 2 or 4 or 6 Pac-12 schools for $33 million plus bonus based on results. This is a win-win for every Big Ten member school past, present, & future.

The Big Ten has a huge advantage over the SEC in that the Big Ten Conference can easily control football TV games from coast-to-coast in multiple time zones. The SEC doesn't need--and should not want--this ability as the football crazed South amounts to enough riches.

The Big Ten will not take members that need to be treated 2nd class. It is a formula that destroys camaraderie which is the proud hallmark of the Big Ten where the schools actually like each other and have a lot in common. The Big Ten is class.

While the sentiment is appreciated, no way that certain schools are getting a Big Ten invitation on an equal footing with the current 16 member schools beyond Notre Dame, Texas, or U Florida. Just ask Rutgers or U Maryland.

They had a buy in period for Penn State, UMD, Nebraska and Rutgers. But they are all full members now (they essentially paid UMDs exit fee from the ACC as well).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At these prices, I think that the Big Ten needs to consider adding ASU (Arizona State University). Not on equal footing with the current 16 Big Ten member schools, but at a significant payout over every other option that ASU has now or in the near future.

The Big Ten Conference should not hesitate about offering U Washington & U Oregon. If that is the end of Big Ten expansion, then all Big Ten member schools are winners. But, a true coast-to-coast conference along with the possible purchase of ESPN from Disney by the Big Ten Conference is a victory that few, if any, saw coming.

U-Arizona is the better academic fit for the B1G.

Just sayin'

("Just sayin'" ???? Not an impressive expression.)

Yes, U Arizona is a better academic fit, but ASU has an enormous alumni base and is located in a significant media market.

Arizona, UNC, Uva all have a split market with larger state schools. They have issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What Is Really Happening Is a Changing Of The Guard

Witness The Genius of the Big Ten Conference.

Pac-12 & ACC fire sale !

The Big Ten Conference can replace both ESPN/Disney & the NCAA if it wants to do so.

Pac-12 schools will (and should) join the Big Ten (IF invited) at a discounted payout with escalator clauses for outstanding results.

Pac-12 schools are looking at a payout of about $20 million per school plus possible bonus after being paid more than $30 million per school.

The Big Ten can hand pick 2 or 4 or 6 Pac-12 schools for $33 million plus bonus based on results. This is a win-win for every Big Ten member school past, present, & future.

The Big Ten has a huge advantage over the SEC in that the Big Ten Conference can easily control football TV games from coast-to-coast in multiple time zones. The SEC doesn't need--and should not want--this ability as the football crazed South amounts to enough riches.

The Big Ten will not take members that need to be treated 2nd class. It is a formula that destroys camaraderie which is the proud hallmark of the Big Ten where the schools actually like each other and have a lot in common. The Big Ten is class.

While the sentiment is appreciated, no way that certain schools are getting a Big Ten invitation on an equal footing with the current 16 member schools beyond Notre Dame, Texas, or U Florida. Just ask Rutgers or U Maryland.

They had a buy in period for Penn State, UMD, Nebraska and Rutgers. But they are all full members now (they essentially paid UMDs exit fee from the ACC as well).

Correct. Thank You.

What options will ASU have ? $20 million plus possible bonus in a crumbling Pac-12 or, possibly, $30 million in the Big 12 Conference ? The Big Ten can offer $33 million plus attainable incentives plus as much more as it wants to offer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At these prices, I think that the Big Ten needs to consider adding ASU (Arizona State University). Not on equal footing with the current 16 Big Ten member schools, but at a significant payout over every other option that ASU has now or in the near future.

The Big Ten Conference should not hesitate about offering U Washington & U Oregon. If that is the end of Big Ten expansion, then all Big Ten member schools are winners. But, a true coast-to-coast conference along with the possible purchase of ESPN from Disney by the Big Ten Conference is a victory that few, if any, saw coming.

U-Arizona is the better academic fit for the B1G.

Just sayin'

("Just sayin'" ???? Not an impressive expression.)

Yes, U Arizona is a better academic fit, but ASU has an enormous alumni base and is located in a significant media market.

Arizona, UNC, Uva all have a split market with larger state schools. They have issues.

Agree.

Much depends upon the Big Ten Conference's long-term vision.

How much control does the Big Ten want ?

If the vision is to replace ESPN and the NCAA, then schools such as ASU, UNC, & Virginia become more valuable to the Big Ten Conference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At these prices, I think that the Big Ten needs to consider adding ASU (Arizona State University). Not on equal footing with the current 16 Big Ten member schools, but at a significant payout over every other option that ASU has now or in the near future.

The Big Ten Conference should not hesitate about offering U Washington & U Oregon. If that is the end of Big Ten expansion, then all Big Ten member schools are winners. But, a true coast-to-coast conference along with the possible purchase of ESPN from Disney by the Big Ten Conference is a victory that few, if any, saw coming.

U-Arizona is the better academic fit for the B1G.

Just sayin'

("Just sayin'" ???? Not an impressive expression.)

Yes, U Arizona is a better academic fit, but ASU has an enormous alumni base and is located in a significant media market.

Arizona, UNC, Uva all have a split market with larger state schools. They have issues.

Agree.

Much depends upon the Big Ten Conference's long-term vision.

How much control does the Big Ten want ?

If the vision is to replace ESPN and the NCAA, then schools such as ASU, UNC, & Virginia become more valuable to the Big Ten Conference.

The Big Ten research money dwarfs athletic money. UMD for example 1.2 billion vs about 100 million. Research money is king with or without the NCAA. Washington May get an invite just as a research giant and a huge school with big alumni base.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At these prices, I think that the Big Ten needs to consider adding ASU (Arizona State University). Not on equal footing with the current 16 Big Ten member schools, but at a significant payout over every other option that ASU has now or in the near future.

The Big Ten Conference should not hesitate about offering U Washington & U Oregon. If that is the end of Big Ten expansion, then all Big Ten member schools are winners. But, a true coast-to-coast conference along with the possible purchase of ESPN from Disney by the Big Ten Conference is a victory that few, if any, saw coming.

U-Arizona is the better academic fit for the B1G.

Just sayin'

("Just sayin'" ???? Not an impressive expression.)

Yes, U Arizona is a better academic fit, but ASU has an enormous alumni base and is located in a significant media market.

Arizona, UNC, Uva all have a split market with larger state schools. They have issues.

Agree.

Much depends upon the Big Ten Conference's long-term vision.

How much control does the Big Ten want ?

If the vision is to replace ESPN and the NCAA, then schools such as ASU, UNC, & Virginia become more valuable to the Big Ten Conference.

The Big Ten research money dwarfs athletic money. UMD for example 1.2 billion vs about 100 million. Research money is king with or without the NCAA. Washington May get an invite just as a research giant and a huge school with big alumni base.

It would be a sin if the University of Washington did not receive an invitation to become a member school of the Big Ten Conference. Solid football program and outstanding research school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At these prices, I think that the Big Ten needs to consider adding ASU (Arizona State University). Not on equal footing with the current 16 Big Ten member schools, but at a significant payout over every other option that ASU has now or in the near future.

The Big Ten Conference should not hesitate about offering U Washington & U Oregon. If that is the end of Big Ten expansion, then all Big Ten member schools are winners. But, a true coast-to-coast conference along with the possible purchase of ESPN from Disney by the Big Ten Conference is a victory that few, if any, saw coming.

U-Arizona is the better academic fit for the B1G.

Just sayin'

("Just sayin'" ???? Not an impressive expression.)

Yes, U Arizona is a better academic fit, but ASU has an enormous alumni base and is located in a significant media market.

Arizona, UNC, Uva all have a split market with larger state schools. They have issues.

Agree.

Much depends upon the Big Ten Conference's long-term vision.

How much control does the Big Ten want ?

If the vision is to replace ESPN and the NCAA, then schools such as ASU, UNC, & Virginia become more valuable to the Big Ten Conference.

The Big Ten research money dwarfs athletic money. UMD for example 1.2 billion vs about 100 million. Research money is king with or without the NCAA. Washington May get an invite just as a research giant and a huge school with big alumni base.

It would be a sin if the University of Washington did not receive an invitation to become a member school of the Big Ten Conference. Solid football program and outstanding research school.

https://universitybusiness.com/r-d-research-and-development-billion-dollar-top-30-college-university-higher-ed-spenders/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CURRENT RUMOR RE: FSU LEAVING ACC:

The current rumor is that FSU has negotiated an exit fee of $300 million to be paid in ten annual installments of $30 million per year. The numbers work as FSU would be stuck for the next 12 or 13 years (through 2036) earning about $40 to $60 million less per year than if it joined the Big Ten.

Clemson also wants out of the ACC now.

These are rumors being floated by long-time college football insiders/analysts.

Same folks are stating that both FSU & Clemson are headed to the Big Ten Conference.

I find this difficult to believe as it seems more like a ploy to get ESPN & Disney to give more money to FSU & Clemson to keep the ACC intact. Nevertheless, that's the rumor.

Other talk is that U Utah & ASU want to remain in the Pac-12. Supposedly U Utah does not want to be in the same conference with arch-rival BYU. Seems silly to me, but that is the rumor. Not clear about ASU's alleged reasons.

Any new Pac-12 contract will pay about $20 million per year per team if there are no other departures from the Pac-12. This is a huge pay cut. The contract would contain escalator clauses for TV ratings and for hitting certain subscription target goals.

The 300 million is not near the amount the ACC will want.

The current deal is $150 million plus all the tv revenue from home games in the new conference for 13 years. The Big Ten for example is at 100 million per school in 2 years and increasing rapidly so home games only will be 50 million and maybe up to 100 million by 2036 so let’s say 75 million per year average plus the 150 million exit fee. That would be 1.215 BILLION to the ACC. Why would they accept less than 1/3 of that?

These rumors are total nonsense.

I have to agree. The number would be a lot higher. But there will not be a number. BC and Duke will not sign off. Period. None of the others will sign off unless they also have new homes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CURRENT RUMOR RE: FSU LEAVING ACC:

The current rumor is that FSU has negotiated an exit fee of $300 million to be paid in ten annual installments of $30 million per year. The numbers work as FSU would be stuck for the next 12 or 13 years (through 2036) earning about $40 to $60 million less per year than if it joined the Big Ten.

Clemson also wants out of the ACC now.

These are rumors being floated by long-time college football insiders/analysts.

Same folks are stating that both FSU & Clemson are headed to the Big Ten Conference.

I find this difficult to believe as it seems more like a ploy to get ESPN & Disney to give more money to FSU & Clemson to keep the ACC intact. Nevertheless, that's the rumor.

Other talk is that U Utah & ASU want to remain in the Pac-12. Supposedly U Utah does not want to be in the same conference with arch-rival BYU. Seems silly to me, but that is the rumor. Not clear about ASU's alleged reasons.

Any new Pac-12 contract will pay about $20 million per year per team if there are no other departures from the Pac-12. This is a huge pay cut. The contract would contain escalator clauses for TV ratings and for hitting certain subscription target goals.

The 300 million is not near the amount the ACC will want.

The current deal is $150 million plus all the tv revenue from home games in the new conference for 13 years. The Big Ten for example is at 100 million per school in 2 years and increasing rapidly so home games only will be 50 million and maybe up to 100 million by 2036 so let’s say 75 million per year average plus the 150 million exit fee. That would be 1.215 BILLION to the ACC. Why would they accept less than 1/3 of that?

These rumors are total nonsense.

Maybe. Maybe not. We will know by the deadline to notify the ACC by August 15, 2023--which is less than 2 weeks from today.

https://sportskeeda.com/college-football/300-million-buyout-line-florida-state-leaving-acc-noles-reap-2x-profits-program-joins-big-ten-sec-reports

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CURRENT RUMOR RE: FSU LEAVING ACC:

The current rumor is that FSU has negotiated an exit fee of $300 million to be paid in ten annual installments of $30 million per year. The numbers work as FSU would be stuck for the next 12 or 13 years (through 2036) earning about $40 to $60 million less per year than if it joined the Big Ten.

Clemson also wants out of the ACC now.

These are rumors being floated by long-time college football insiders/analysts.

Same folks are stating that both FSU & Clemson are headed to the Big Ten Conference.

I find this difficult to believe as it seems more like a ploy to get ESPN & Disney to give more money to FSU & Clemson to keep the ACC intact. Nevertheless, that's the rumor.

Other talk is that U Utah & ASU want to remain in the Pac-12. Supposedly U Utah does not want to be in the same conference with arch-rival BYU. Seems silly to me, but that is the rumor. Not clear about ASU's alleged reasons.

Any new Pac-12 contract will pay about $20 million per year per team if there are no other departures from the Pac-12. This is a huge pay cut. The contract would contain escalator clauses for TV ratings and for hitting certain subscription target goals.

The 300 million is not near the amount the ACC will want.

The current deal is $150 million plus all the tv revenue from home games in the new conference for 13 years. The Big Ten for example is at 100 million per school in 2 years and increasing rapidly so home games only will be 50 million and maybe up to 100 million by 2036 so let’s say 75 million per year average plus the 150 million exit fee. That would be 1.215 BILLION to the ACC. Why would they accept less than 1/3 of that?

These rumors are total nonsense.

I have to agree. The number would be a lot higher. But there will not be a number. BC and Duke will not sign off. Period. None of the others will sign off unless they also have new homes.

Are their signatures or approval needed ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At these prices, I think that the Big Ten needs to consider adding ASU (Arizona State University). Not on equal footing with the current 16 Big Ten member schools, but at a significant payout over every other option that ASU has now or in the near future.

The Big Ten Conference should not hesitate about offering U Washington & U Oregon. If that is the end of Big Ten expansion, then all Big Ten member schools are winners. But, a true coast-to-coast conference along with the possible purchase of ESPN from Disney by the Big Ten Conference is a victory that few, if any, saw coming.

U-Arizona is the better academic fit for the B1G.

Just sayin'

("Just sayin'" ???? Not an impressive expression.)

Yes, U Arizona is a better academic fit, but ASU has an enormous alumni base and is located in a significant media market.

Arizona, UNC, Uva all have a split market with larger state schools. They have issues.

Agree.

Much depends upon the Big Ten Conference's long-term vision.

How much control does the Big Ten want ?

If the vision is to replace ESPN and the NCAA, then schools such as ASU, UNC, & Virginia become more valuable to the Big Ten Conference.

The Pac12 is dissolving in part because they didn't want to partner the Pac12 network with Espn or Fox and decided they could make more on their own. They were wrong. People who aren't fans of a given school or whose school isn't playing in a given timeslot watch whatever is on the networks. Any conference dumb enough to launch their own subscription product would find out how narrow actual interest is pretty fast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At these prices, I think that the Big Ten needs to consider adding ASU (Arizona State University). Not on equal footing with the current 16 Big Ten member schools, but at a significant payout over every other option that ASU has now or in the near future.

The Big Ten Conference should not hesitate about offering U Washington & U Oregon. If that is the end of Big Ten expansion, then all Big Ten member schools are winners. But, a true coast-to-coast conference along with the possible purchase of ESPN from Disney by the Big Ten Conference is a victory that few, if any, saw coming.

U-Arizona is the better academic fit for the B1G.

Just sayin'

("Just sayin'" ???? Not an impressive expression.)

Yes, U Arizona is a better academic fit, but ASU has an enormous alumni base and is located in a significant media market.

Arizona, UNC, Uva all have a split market with larger state schools. They have issues.

Agree.

Much depends upon the Big Ten Conference's long-term vision.

How much control does the Big Ten want ?

If the vision is to replace ESPN and the NCAA, then schools such as ASU, UNC, & Virginia become more valuable to the Big Ten Conference.

The Pac12 is dissolving in part because they didn't want to partner the Pac12 network with Espn or Fox and decided they could make more on their own. They were wrong. People who aren't fans of a given school or whose school isn't playing in a given timeslot watch whatever is on the networks. Any conference dumb enough to launch their own subscription product would find out how narrow actual interest is pretty fast.

The quality of the Pac-12 Network was/is very poor. The viewing experience was not up to today's TV standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CURRENT RUMOR RE: FSU LEAVING ACC:

The current rumor is that FSU has negotiated an exit fee of $300 million to be paid in ten annual installments of $30 million per year. The numbers work as FSU would be stuck for the next 12 or 13 years (through 2036) earning about $40 to $60 million less per year than if it joined the Big Ten.

Clemson also wants out of the ACC now.

These are rumors being floated by long-time college football insiders/analysts.

Same folks are stating that both FSU & Clemson are headed to the Big Ten Conference.

I find this difficult to believe as it seems more like a ploy to get ESPN & Disney to give more money to FSU & Clemson to keep the ACC intact. Nevertheless, that's the rumor.

Other talk is that U Utah & ASU want to remain in the Pac-12. Supposedly U Utah does not want to be in the same conference with arch-rival BYU. Seems silly to me, but that is the rumor. Not clear about ASU's alleged reasons.

Any new Pac-12 contract will pay about $20 million per year per team if there are no other departures from the Pac-12. This is a huge pay cut. The contract would contain escalator clauses for TV ratings and for hitting certain subscription target goals.

The 300 million is not near the amount the ACC will want.

The current deal is $150 million plus all the tv revenue from home games in the new conference for 13 years. The Big Ten for example is at 100 million per school in 2 years and increasing rapidly so home games only will be 50 million and maybe up to 100 million by 2036 so let’s say 75 million per year average plus the 150 million exit fee. That would be 1.215 BILLION to the ACC. Why would they accept less than 1/3 of that?

These rumors are total nonsense.

I have to agree. The number would be a lot higher. But there will not be a number. BC and Duke will not sign off. Period. None of the others will sign off unless they also have new homes.

Are their signatures or approval needed ?

No one knows whose signatures are needed, arguably Disney would have to agree because they now own the rights to air the games. Here is the original text, but it was extended through 2036

https://wwwcache.wralsportsfan.com/asset/colleges/ncsu/2022/07/05/20361238/ACC-Grant-of-Rights-1-DMID1-5vgd1w2if.pdf