3 children dead in private Christian elementary school shooting in TN

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Australian here with a child who will be in elementary school in a few years- what I see of the USA horrifies me. Serious question, does anyone with school aged children think of moving countries to avoid the possibility of their child getting shot every time they go to school? Or do you take other measures such as sending your child to a school with heavy security where this is less likely to happen? I honestly don’t know what I would do if I lived in the USA.

I would reconsider, to be honest with you. You should be horrified. The leading cause of death in children is now homicide: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/article-abstract/2799356
If you can afford private where there is heavy security, then do it, but guns are everywhere, and we have become a divisive country where people don't know how to get along with anyone anymore. That said, it's not just the schools you have to worry about. Until our politicians do something about this, there will be no improvement in sight.

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Anonymous wrote:The Rs will do something by banning transgenders now but they still won’t do anything about banning guns

How do you ”ban” a transgender person?

You must be new to DCUM... there have been many threads detailing how Republicans are trying to crack down on transpeople and are trying to ban any kind of medical treatments or procedures related to trans.

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Anonymous wrote:Please excuse this question. They say she is a woman. They say she is transgender. So does that mean her chromosomes are XY?

I’m not sure what the truth of it is but I’ve been seeing on trans boards that the shooter is a trans man with he/him pronouns on his social media. I’m reading that the police are using his birth (dead) name and original gender assigned at birth. I guess we will know soon. I know that the only other trans shooter was also an FTM person. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to find out this is right. It’s so weird to me that people are assuming this will be “an XY”. As the local DCUM trans woman, I can tell you that testosterone makes you feel very different than estrogen. No trans woman has ever been a mass shooter. That doesn’t mean it will never happen but it’s a lot less likely, especially if they’re taking estrogen.

That's absolutely not okay, if they are misgendering and deadnaming the shooter. I can't keep up with the fast-moving news or search for transgender forums, let alone keep up with this thread...do you have any links?

In case anyone calls me "lazy", some of us have stuff to get done in life, and the news moves fast and a bit scattered in tragedies like this. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Please excuse this question. They say she is a woman. They say she is transgender. So does that mean her chromosomes are XY?

I’m not sure what the truth of it is but I’ve been seeing on trans boards that the shooter is a trans man with he/him pronouns on his social media. I’m reading that the police are using his birth (dead) name and original gender assigned at birth. I guess we will know soon. I know that the only other trans shooter was also an FTM person. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to find out this is right. It’s so weird to me that people are assuming this will be “an XY”. As the local DCUM trans woman, I can tell you that testosterone makes you feel very different than estrogen. No trans woman has ever been a mass shooter. That doesn’t mean it will never happen but it’s a lot less likely, especially if they’re taking estrogen.

Thank you. I think we are all confused about this right now.

Delete if not allowed. It looks like he may not have cha he’s his legal name but was going informally by Aiden (which is a bit of a stereotypical trans masc name).
https://www.linkedin.com/in/audreyhale10?original_referer=

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/crime/2023/03/27/nashville-school-shooting-what-we-know-about-28-year-old-female-shooter/70053679007/
Hale was an illustrator and graphic designer who used he/him pronouns, according to a police spokesperson. Police said Hale was transgender and they initially identified him by his birth name and gender.

Thanks - I'm the PP who requested the trans poster for links.

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Anonymous wrote:Please excuse this question. They say she is a woman. They say she is transgender. So does that mean her chromosomes are XY?

I’m not sure what the truth of it is but I’ve been seeing on trans boards that the shooter is a trans man with he/him pronouns on his social media. I’m reading that the police are using his birth (dead) name and original gender assigned at birth. I guess we will know soon. I know that the only other trans shooter was also an FTM person. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to find out this is right. It’s so weird to me that people are assuming this will be “an XY”. As the local DCUM trans woman, I can tell you that testosterone makes you feel very different than estrogen. No trans woman has ever been a mass shooter. That doesn’t mean it will never happen but it’s a lot less likely, especially if they’re taking estrogen.

That's absolutely not okay, if they are misgendering and deadnaming the shooter. I can't keep up with the fast-moving news or search for transgender forums, let alone keep up with this thread...do you have any links?

In case anyone calls me "lazy", some of us have stuff to get done in life, and the news moves fast and a bit scattered in tragedies like this. Thanks.

This is why it is important for media to properly report the sex of someone. It becomes very confusing to follow when they say a woman raped someone only to find out it really was a trans woman or in this case the police reporting the shooter was a woman when it really was a transman.

[Anonymous]

The "motives" of mass shooters are interesting but are not sufficient explanations in themselves. What all these shooters seem to have in common--besides easy access to powerful weapons--is a history of psychological problems, suicidal tendencies, and a period of preparation/thinking about/researching/planning (i.e., they're usually not spontaneous). Here is a short summary of one study that looked for common traits in mass shooters.

1. The path of violence often begins with early childhood trauma. At a young age, 42% of all mass shooters experienced physical abuse, sexual abuse, parental suicide, or were a victim of severe bullying. Researchers say if unaddressed, later in life, the trauma can feed a perpetrator's rage.

2. The second step on the pathway to violence is a crisis: A loss of a job, a breakup, a feeling of hopelessness. In many cases, it's a suicidal crisis. Seventy-two percent of mass shooters were suicidal either before and at the time of the shooting.

3. Those suicidal thoughts lead to the third step, radicalization. The Violence Project found perpetrators time and again search guidance -- going to the internet, reading manifestos of past gunmen, ending up in chat rooms where mass shooters are revered, and many then share their own plans. Forty-four percent of mass shooters leaked their plans, often posting about it on social media.

4. The final stage is access to a firearm. According to the National Institute of Justice, 77% of mass shooters got their guns through a legal purchase, often gaining access close to the time of the shooting.


A look into the traits of a mass shooter
https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/a-look-into-the-traits-of-a-mass-shooter/

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Anonymous wrote:Vanderbilt Endocrinology will be subject of major lawsuit.

Then so should the gun manufacturer and retail store.

Testosterone therapy likely played a part here

Complete speculation. I’m a female on very high levels of testosterone and I’ve never even raised my voice since taking T, let alone murdered children.

Testosterone is known to cause aggression and rage. Combine that with mental illness and a vendetta against a group and you have a potentially toxic combination. If this school was targeted by the shooter because it was a Christian school then it should be considered a hate crime.

DING DING DING. Correct.

It has the appearance of a revenge killing by a member of that community.

Revenge is something you take out on an individual who wronged you. This 28 year old was planning to kill little as many innocent little kids as possible.

Np. I think you can seek revenge on an institution. If the entire power structure of an institution supported (or did not stop) ongoing abuse to an individual, then the individual can seek to cause as much harm as possible against the institution and people who supported it.

You can also seek revenge on someone by hurting what they love the most.

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Anonymous wrote:Vanderbilt Endocrinology will be subject of major lawsuit.

Then so should the gun manufacturer and retail store.

Testosterone therapy likely played a part here

Complete speculation. I’m a female on very high levels of testosterone and I’ve never even raised my voice since taking T, let alone murdered children.

Testosterone is known to cause aggression and rage. Combine that with mental illness and a vendetta against a group and you have a potentially toxic combination. If this school was targeted by the shooter because it was a Christian school then it should be considered a hate crime.

DING DING DING. Correct.

It has the appearance of a revenge killing by a member of that community.

Revenge is something you take out on an individual who wronged you. This 28 year old was planning to kill little as many innocent little kids as possible.

Np. I think you can seek revenge on an institution. If the entire power structure of an institution supported (or did not stop) ongoing abuse to an individual, then the individual can seek to cause as much harm as possible against the institution and people who supported it.

You can also seek revenge on someone by hurting what they love the most.

+1 well-said

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how these shootings are always on the political forum and not the health forum if it truly is a mental health issue.
Let's at least be honest that this is a politics issue that very clearly divides the two parties. And it seems like all of the parents out there voting for Republicans are just signing their children's death warrants. And are okay with it.

None of this is funny. Some problems have more than one cause - a concept that's difficult for some to understand. It's a mental health issue, it's a lack of gun control issue, it's the fact that a lay person has the ability to buy an assault weapon, it's an issue of not sufficient security in our schools, it's an issue of red flags being ignored or minimized. By the way, people with mental illness are more likely to be victim of violence than commit an act of violence. I guess moving this discussion from the political forum to the health forum will solve the problem.

PP, you forgot to include the last clause in PP's opening sentence: if it truly is a mental health issue. The PP didn't set it up as a binary, but to point out that Republicans often hide behind the mental health fig leaf (given that they refuse to fund those services, etc).

Republicans: "It's a mental health issue"

Me: "FINE then let's ADDRESS IT by providing robust access to desperately needed mental health services in this country since many Americans can't get the help they need, along with finding ways to address mental health for those who need it but aren't seeking it out, along with ensuring we have mental health screenings for prospective gun owners."

Republicans: *crickets*

*applause*

That's exactly it, PP. I spent my 20s working a lower-income job in a red state and I had pitiful resources for my (extremely severe) mental health needs. Apart from being born with clinical depression and an anxiety disorder, I had rage issues due to a lifetime of school bullying. In other words, I matched the profile of many school shooters. I was often gaslit by the therapists my pitiful insurance partially covered. I felt the pinch for my medication, which often DIDN'T help and I had to stridently advocate for a change in dosage or even the medication prescribed because my doctors did not give two hoots about me.

When my own painstaking research revealed alternative therapies that could help me, neither insurance nor my paycheck could cover the expense. I went without.

I came to the edge of violence and suicide many times. It was my own strong will, and possibly God's Grace, that restrained me from hurting others or myself. But I cannot give ANY credit to the field of psychiatry, or to the very lackluster engagement of the medical community in the conservative state I lived in. They would've let me fall through the cracks. They would've let me become a danger to my community. They did NOT catch me as I fell, or generally give a f**k about me. I did that. I saved myself from harm, and likely countless potential victims.

F**k this country for not investing in the mental health of at-risk individuals. I might be the only person in this thread who understands the anguish and emotional abandonment that this female shooter in Nashville felt, that drove her to do something so harmful.

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[Anonymous]

There should be more focus around transgender people seeking mental help. Seriously. This is sad.

Why are these people being so ignored? This could’ve been prevented had the shooter got some help.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Vanderbilt Endocrinology will be subject of major lawsuit.

Then so should the gun manufacturer and retail store.

Testosterone therapy likely played a part here

Revenge played a larger part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The "motives" of mass shooters are interesting but are not sufficient explanations in themselves. What all these shooters seem to have in common--besides easy access to powerful weapons--is a history of psychological problems, suicidal tendencies, and a period of preparation/thinking about/researching/planning (i.e., they're usually not spontaneous). Here is a short summary of one study that looked for common traits in mass shooters.

1. The path of violence often begins with early childhood trauma. At a young age, 42% of all mass shooters experienced physical abuse, sexual abuse, parental suicide, or were a victim of severe bullying. Researchers say if unaddressed, later in life, the trauma can feed a perpetrator's rage.

2. The second step on the pathway to violence is a crisis: A loss of a job, a breakup, a feeling of hopelessness. In many cases, it's a suicidal crisis. Seventy-two percent of mass shooters were suicidal either before and at the time of the shooting.

3. Those suicidal thoughts lead to the third step, radicalization. The Violence Project found perpetrators time and again search guidance -- going to the internet, reading manifestos of past gunmen, ending up in chat rooms where mass shooters are revered, and many then share their own plans. Forty-four percent of mass shooters leaked their plans, often posting about it on social media.

4. The final stage is access to a firearm. According to the National Institute of Justice, 77% of mass shooters got their guns through a legal purchase, often gaining access close to the time of the shooting.


A look into the traits of a mass shooter
https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/a-look-into-the-traits-of-a-mass-shooter/

This post is missing the #1 thing that all mass shooters have in common.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Vanderbilt Endocrinology will be subject of major lawsuit.

Then so should the gun manufacturer and retail store.

Testosterone therapy likely played a part here

Complete speculation. I’m a female on very high levels of testosterone and I’ve never even raised my voice since taking T, let alone murdered children.

Testosterone is known to cause aggression and rage. Combine that with mental illness and a vendetta against a group and you have a potentially toxic combination. If this school was targeted by the shooter because it was a Christian school then it should be considered a hate crime.

DING DING DING. Correct.

It has the appearance of a revenge killing by a member of that community.

But not for the reasons you are imagining.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There should be more focus around transgender people seeking mental help. Seriously. This is sad.

Why are these people being so ignored? This could’ve been prevented had the shooter got some help.

The same could be said about any mass shooter. We don't provide enough mental health (or substance abuse) treatment for many people who need it in this country. It is a huge problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The "motives" of mass shooters are interesting but are not sufficient explanations in themselves. What all these shooters seem to have in common--besides easy access to powerful weapons--is a history of psychological problems, suicidal tendencies, and a period of preparation/thinking about/researching/planning (i.e., they're usually not spontaneous). Here is a short summary of one study that looked for common traits in mass shooters.

1. The path of violence often begins with early childhood trauma. At a young age, 42% of all mass shooters experienced physical abuse, sexual abuse, parental suicide, or were a victim of severe bullying. Researchers say if unaddressed, later in life, the trauma can feed a perpetrator's rage.

2. The second step on the pathway to violence is a crisis: A loss of a job, a breakup, a feeling of hopelessness. In many cases, it's a suicidal crisis. Seventy-two percent of mass shooters were suicidal either before and at the time of the shooting.

3. Those suicidal thoughts lead to the third step, radicalization. The Violence Project found perpetrators time and again search guidance -- going to the internet, reading manifestos of past gunmen, ending up in chat rooms where mass shooters are revered, and many then share their own plans. Forty-four percent of mass shooters leaked their plans, often posting about it on social media.

4. The final stage is access to a firearm. According to the National Institute of Justice, 77% of mass shooters got their guns through a legal purchase, often gaining access close to the time of the shooting.


A look into the traits of a mass shooter
https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/a-look-into-the-traits-of-a-mass-shooter/

This post is missing the #1 thing that all mass shooters have in common.

#1 thing is a gun. Anyone suffering from these kinds of mental crisis issues should never be allowed access to a gun.