Does University of Michigan live up to the hype?

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Anonymous wrote:There's just nothing unique at University of Michigan that is not available at a college in a state with better climate and lots of growth. It's a really overcrowded public university growing fast to cash in. It's located in a boring flyover country town in the middle of nowhere. It has the worst weather of any university in the top 50 (it will be in the 20s and 30s until April). And the state is crumbling and stagnant; smart residents can't flee fast enough. If University of Mississippi was suddenly in the top 30 college, would you all try to convince yourself it's great? That's basically Michigan right now. It's ranked highly because of it's legacy reputation and name rec (sports), not because it's a unique and special undergraduate setting.

You've posted this critique a number of times, and it really doesn't seem relevant to students picking U of M. OOS students don't have any real desire to live in Michigan anyway, and never really have (I attended U of M as an undergraduate in the '90's, when Michigan was doing well, but I none of my OOS friends ever intended to live there after graduation). So, the fact that Detroit is a dump is meaningless to them. And Ann Arbor is a perfectly nice college town that has everything college students are looking for during their 4 years there.

I mean, there are plenty of good or great schools in far worse places where students can't really venture off campus (I'm looking at you, Yale and U. Of Pennsylvania), that don't have any trouble attracting students.

You’re wasting your time trying to reason with this person. He/she/it will just continue to post the same statements ad naseum. Better to ignore and hopefully it will come to an end.

I'm kind of sympathetic to kids who, when given the choice of two otherwise equal schools, might pick the one that's located in a more pleasant climate. I could see picking UVa over U Of M in that regard. But, honestly, once you're talking about large schools located in a college town, the entertainment and social opportunities in Ann Arbor, Charlottesville, Gainesville, South Bend, Urbana-Champaign etc. are all pretty much the same.

I have to disagree that all college towns containing large schools are pretty much the same. Some are definitely better than others.

Sure, but they're all generally on the same spectrum of student ghetto housing, combined with bars where you can drink for cheap, coffee shops, sandwich stores etc.

The relative quality of the college town isn't really make it or break it when it comes to picking a school. And a college town like Ann Arbor is a perfectly acceptable place to spend 4 years. I mean, I'm not overselling it as some Xanadu. But, it's hardly the post-apocalyptic hell-hole the anti-Michigan PP was describing it as upthread.

It was miserable to both Sasha Obama and Madonna’s daughter who both transferred out. It’s cold, grey, boring and in the middle of nowhere. Unless you’re into sports and want to binge drink at football and hockey matches, you’re going to be really antsy to get out of there. Going to college in a region you can’t wait to move away from sounds pretty unappealing, to me. Especially when this debate is about non-resident students have the money to go basically anywhere they want.

I guess it depends on how much you are willing to sacrifice to be #1 baby!

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Anonymous wrote:There's just nothing unique at University of Michigan that is not available at a college in a state with better climate and lots of growth. It's a really overcrowded public university growing fast to cash in. It's located in a boring flyover country town in the middle of nowhere. It has the worst weather of any university in the top 50 (it will be in the 20s and 30s until April). And the state is crumbling and stagnant; smart residents can't flee fast enough. If University of Mississippi was suddenly in the top 30 college, would you all try to convince yourself it's great? That's basically Michigan right now. It's ranked highly because of it's legacy reputation and name rec (sports), not because it's a unique and special undergraduate setting.

You've posted this critique a number of times, and it really doesn't seem relevant to students picking U of M. OOS students don't have any real desire to live in Michigan anyway, and never really have (I attended U of M as an undergraduate in the '90's, when Michigan was doing well, but I none of my OOS friends ever intended to live there after graduation). So, the fact that Detroit is a dump is meaningless to them. And Ann Arbor is a perfectly nice college town that has everything college students are looking for during their 4 years there.

I mean, there are plenty of good or great schools in far worse places where students can't really venture off campus (I'm looking at you, Yale and U. Of Pennsylvania), that don't have any trouble attracting students.

You’re wasting your time trying to reason with this person. He/she/it will just continue to post the same statements ad naseum. Better to ignore and hopefully it will come to an end.

I'm kind of sympathetic to kids who, when given the choice of two otherwise equal schools, might pick the one that's located in a more pleasant climate. I could see picking UVa over U Of M in that regard. But, honestly, once you're talking about large schools located in a college town, the entertainment and social opportunities in Ann Arbor, Charlottesville, Gainesville, South Bend, Urbana-Champaign etc. are all pretty much the same.

I have to disagree that all college towns containing large schools are pretty much the same. Some are definitely better than others.

Sure, but they're all generally on the same spectrum of student ghetto housing, combined with bars where you can drink for cheap, coffee shops, sandwich stores etc.

The relative quality of the college town isn't really make it or break it when it comes to picking a school. And a college town like Ann Arbor is a perfectly acceptable place to spend 4 years. I mean, I'm not overselling it as some Xanadu. But, it's hardly the post-apocalyptic hell-hole the anti-Michigan PP was describing it as upthread.

It was miserable to both Sasha Obama and Madonna’s daughter who both transferred out. It’s cold, grey, boring and in the middle of nowhere. Unless you’re into sports and want to binge drink at football and hockey matches, you’re going to be really antsy to get out of there. Going to college in a region you can’t wait to move away from sounds pretty unappealing, to me. Especially when this debate is about non-resident students have the money to go basically anywhere they want.

I'm not sure if the experiences of very wealthy pampered children of an ex-President or a celebrity are really meaningful for the rest of us. They'll do fine in life, regardless of where they get their educations.

College towns have businesses and entertainment options geared towards young people. Large universities have club, sports and other social options for all interests. There are plenty of things to do other than drink at sporting events. I'd be worried about a kid who couldn't find ways to entertain themselves in a place that is more or less designed around the needs of young adults.

I mean, seriously, did you even go to college? Were you bored, or did you find that living in a place with thousands or tens of thousands of other young adults around you made finding things to do in your free time very easy?

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Anonymous wrote:There's just nothing unique at University of Michigan that is not available at a college in a state with better climate and lots of growth. It's a really overcrowded public university growing fast to cash in. It's located in a boring flyover country town in the middle of nowhere. It has the worst weather of any university in the top 50 (it will be in the 20s and 30s until April). And the state is crumbling and stagnant; smart residents can't flee fast enough. If University of Mississippi was suddenly in the top 30 college, would you all try to convince yourself it's great? That's basically Michigan right now. It's ranked highly because of it's legacy reputation and name rec (sports), not because it's a unique and special undergraduate setting.

You've posted this critique a number of times, and it really doesn't seem relevant to students picking U of M. OOS students don't have any real desire to live in Michigan anyway, and never really have (I attended U of M as an undergraduate in the '90's, when Michigan was doing well, but I none of my OOS friends ever intended to live there after graduation). So, the fact that Detroit is a dump is meaningless to them. And Ann Arbor is a perfectly nice college town that has everything college students are looking for during their 4 years there.

I mean, there are plenty of good or great schools in far worse places where students can't really venture off campus (I'm looking at you, Yale and U. Of Pennsylvania), that don't have any trouble attracting students.

You’re wasting your time trying to reason with this person. He/she/it will just continue to post the same statements ad naseum. Better to ignore and hopefully it will come to an end.

I'm kind of sympathetic to kids who, when given the choice of two otherwise equal schools, might pick the one that's located in a more pleasant climate. I could see picking UVa over U Of M in that regard. But, honestly, once you're talking about large schools located in a college town, the entertainment and social opportunities in Ann Arbor, Charlottesville, Gainesville, South Bend, Urbana-Champaign etc. are all pretty much the same.

I have to disagree that all college towns containing large schools are pretty much the same. Some are definitely better than others.

Sure, but they're all generally on the same spectrum of student ghetto housing, combined with bars where you can drink for cheap, coffee shops, sandwich stores etc.

The relative quality of the college town isn't really make it or break it when it comes to picking a school. And a college town like Ann Arbor is a perfectly acceptable place to spend 4 years. I mean, I'm not overselling it as some Xanadu. But, it's hardly the post-apocalyptic hell-hole the anti-Michigan PP was describing it as upthread.

It was miserable to both Sasha Obama and Madonna’s daughter who both transferred out. It’s cold, grey, boring and in the middle of nowhere. Unless you’re into sports and want to binge drink at football and hockey matches, you’re going to be really antsy to get out of there. Going to college in a region you can’t wait to move away from sounds pretty unappealing, to me. Especially when this debate is about non-resident students have the money to go basically anywhere they want.

I guess it depends on how much you are willing to sacrifice to be #1 baby!

I though Harry was #1 baby.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone know when Univ EA will come out this year? Do you think earlier than last?

Bump. I've got a very eager rust-belt, fast-food, fly-by region- loving kid eager to hear.

IDK this year, but lots of friends' kids heard end of January last year. Used to have a link (Reddit?) to a post where the admit alerts were listed every day - you could see which college/uni coming out for the day as well as the ones for the remainder of the week. Alas, my youngest now in college this year and I can't find the link!

There is a College Confidential thread on this: https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/umich-ann-arbor-early-action-fall-2023/3617263/314

Looks like EA decisions will come out at the end of January.

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Anonymous wrote:There's just nothing unique at University of Michigan that is not available at a college in a state with better climate and lots of growth. It's a really overcrowded public university growing fast to cash in. It's located in a boring flyover country town in the middle of nowhere. It has the worst weather of any university in the top 50 (it will be in the 20s and 30s until April). And the state is crumbling and stagnant; smart residents can't flee fast enough. If University of Mississippi was suddenly in the top 30 college, would you all try to convince yourself it's great? That's basically Michigan right now. It's ranked highly because of it's legacy reputation and name rec (sports), not because it's a unique and special undergraduate setting.

You've posted this critique a number of times, and it really doesn't seem relevant to students picking U of M. OOS students don't have any real desire to live in Michigan anyway, and never really have (I attended U of M as an undergraduate in the '90's, when Michigan was doing well, but I none of my OOS friends ever intended to live there after graduation). So, the fact that Detroit is a dump is meaningless to them. And Ann Arbor is a perfectly nice college town that has everything college students are looking for during their 4 years there.

I mean, there are plenty of good or great schools in far worse places where students can't really venture off campus (I'm looking at you, Yale and U. Of Pennsylvania), that don't have any trouble attracting students.

You’re wasting your time trying to reason with this person. He/she/it will just continue to post the same statements ad naseum. Better to ignore and hopefully it will come to an end.

I'm kind of sympathetic to kids who, when given the choice of two otherwise equal schools, might pick the one that's located in a more pleasant climate. I could see picking UVa over U Of M in that regard. But, honestly, once you're talking about large schools located in a college town, the entertainment and social opportunities in Ann Arbor, Charlottesville, Gainesville, South Bend, Urbana-Champaign etc. are all pretty much the same.

You’ve obviously have never been to South Bend.

South Bend gets you into heaven as a bonus. Touchdown Jesus is jackpot spiritually and academically

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Anonymous wrote:There's just nothing unique at University of Michigan that is not available at a college in a state with better climate and lots of growth. It's a really overcrowded public university growing fast to cash in. It's located in a boring flyover country town in the middle of nowhere. It has the worst weather of any university in the top 50 (it will be in the 20s and 30s until April). And the state is crumbling and stagnant; smart residents can't flee fast enough. If University of Mississippi was suddenly in the top 30 college, would you all try to convince yourself it's great? That's basically Michigan right now. It's ranked highly because of it's legacy reputation and name rec (sports), not because it's a unique and special undergraduate setting.

You've posted this critique a number of times, and it really doesn't seem relevant to students picking U of M. OOS students don't have any real desire to live in Michigan anyway, and never really have (I attended U of M as an undergraduate in the '90's, when Michigan was doing well, but I none of my OOS friends ever intended to live there after graduation). So, the fact that Detroit is a dump is meaningless to them. And Ann Arbor is a perfectly nice college town that has everything college students are looking for during their 4 years there.

I mean, there are plenty of good or great schools in far worse places where students can't really venture off campus (I'm looking at you, Yale and U. Of Pennsylvania), that don't have any trouble attracting students.

You’re wasting your time trying to reason with this person. He/she/it will just continue to post the same statements ad naseum. Better to ignore and hopefully it will come to an end.

I'm kind of sympathetic to kids who, when given the choice of two otherwise equal schools, might pick the one that's located in a more pleasant climate. I could see picking UVa over U Of M in that regard. But, honestly, once you're talking about large schools located in a college town, the entertainment and social opportunities in Ann Arbor, Charlottesville, Gainesville, South Bend, Urbana-Champaign etc. are all pretty much the same.

I have to disagree that all college towns containing large schools are pretty much the same. Some are definitely better than others.

Sure, but they're all generally on the same spectrum of student ghetto housing, combined with bars where you can drink for cheap, coffee shops, sandwich stores etc.

The relative quality of the college town isn't really make it or break it when it comes to picking a school. And a college town like Ann Arbor is a perfectly acceptable place to spend 4 years. I mean, I'm not overselling it as some Xanadu. But, it's hardly the post-apocalyptic hell-hole the anti-Michigan PP was describing it as upthread.

It was miserable to both Sasha Obama and Madonna’s daughter who both transferred out. It’s cold, grey, boring and in the middle of nowhere. Unless you’re into sports and want to binge drink at football and hockey matches, you’re going to be really antsy to get out of there. Going to college in a region you can’t wait to move away from sounds pretty unappealing, to me. Especially when this debate is about non-resident students have the money to go basically anywhere they want.

Lourdes Leon graduated from Michigan in 2021. Once again you’re talking out of your ass.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/01/23/who-is-lourdes-leon/

Saying the same BS over and over again, as well as misinformation, is a sure sign of a personality disorder.

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Anonymous wrote:There's just nothing unique at University of Michigan that is not available at a college in a state with better climate and lots of growth. It's a really overcrowded public university growing fast to cash in. It's located in a boring flyover country town in the middle of nowhere. It has the worst weather of any university in the top 50 (it will be in the 20s and 30s until April). And the state is crumbling and stagnant; smart residents can't flee fast enough. If University of Mississippi was suddenly in the top 30 college, would you all try to convince yourself it's great? That's basically Michigan right now. It's ranked highly because of it's legacy reputation and name rec (sports), not because it's a unique and special undergraduate setting.

You've posted this critique a number of times, and it really doesn't seem relevant to students picking U of M. OOS students don't have any real desire to live in Michigan anyway, and never really have (I attended U of M as an undergraduate in the '90's, when Michigan was doing well, but I none of my OOS friends ever intended to live there after graduation). So, the fact that Detroit is a dump is meaningless to them. And Ann Arbor is a perfectly nice college town that has everything college students are looking for during their 4 years there.

I mean, there are plenty of good or great schools in far worse places where students can't really venture off campus (I'm looking at you, Yale and U. Of Pennsylvania), that don't have any trouble attracting students.

You’re wasting your time trying to reason with this person. He/she/it will just continue to post the same statements ad naseum. Better to ignore and hopefully it will come to an end.

I'm kind of sympathetic to kids who, when given the choice of two otherwise equal schools, might pick the one that's located in a more pleasant climate. I could see picking UVa over U Of M in that regard. But, honestly, once you're talking about large schools located in a college town, the entertainment and social opportunities in Ann Arbor, Charlottesville, Gainesville, South Bend, Urbana-Champaign etc. are all pretty much the same.

I have to disagree that all college towns containing large schools are pretty much the same. Some are definitely better than others.

Sure, but they're all generally on the same spectrum of student ghetto housing, combined with bars where you can drink for cheap, coffee shops, sandwich stores etc.

The relative quality of the college town isn't really make it or break it when it comes to picking a school. And a college town like Ann Arbor is a perfectly acceptable place to spend 4 years. I mean, I'm not overselling it as some Xanadu. But, it's hardly the post-apocalyptic hell-hole the anti-Michigan PP was describing it as upthread.

It was miserable to both Sasha Obama and Madonna’s daughter who both transferred out. It’s cold, grey, boring and in the middle of nowhere. Unless you’re into sports and want to binge drink at football and hockey matches, you’re going to be really antsy to get out of there. Going to college in a region you can’t wait to move away from sounds pretty unappealing, to me. Especially when this debate is about non-resident students have the money to go basically anywhere they want.

It's probably a boost to Michigan's reputation that Sasha Obama and Lourdes Leon didn't spend too much time there. Sasha definitely didn't have the academic chops of a typical Michigan student, as those familiar with her time at Sidwell Friends are well aware, and Lourdes may or may not be smarter but otherwise was just a NYC club-kid.

Plenty of other kids will enjoy four years in Ann Arbor, and do so without necessarily being into sports and binge drinking.

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Anonymous wrote:There's just nothing unique at University of Michigan that is not available at a college in a state with better climate and lots of growth. It's a really overcrowded public university growing fast to cash in. It's located in a boring flyover country town in the middle of nowhere. It has the worst weather of any university in the top 50 (it will be in the 20s and 30s until April). And the state is crumbling and stagnant; smart residents can't flee fast enough. If University of Mississippi was suddenly in the top 30 college, would you all try to convince yourself it's great? That's basically Michigan right now. It's ranked highly because of it's legacy reputation and name rec (sports), not because it's a unique and special undergraduate setting.

You've posted this critique a number of times, and it really doesn't seem relevant to students picking U of M. OOS students don't have any real desire to live in Michigan anyway, and never really have (I attended U of M as an undergraduate in the '90's, when Michigan was doing well, but I none of my OOS friends ever intended to live there after graduation). So, the fact that Detroit is a dump is meaningless to them. And Ann Arbor is a perfectly nice college town that has everything college students are looking for during their 4 years there.

I mean, there are plenty of good or great schools in far worse places where students can't really venture off campus (I'm looking at you, Yale and U. Of Pennsylvania), that don't have any trouble attracting students.

You’re wasting your time trying to reason with this person. He/she/it will just continue to post the same statements ad naseum. Better to ignore and hopefully it will come to an end.

I'm kind of sympathetic to kids who, when given the choice of two otherwise equal schools, might pick the one that's located in a more pleasant climate. I could see picking UVa over U Of M in that regard. But, honestly, once you're talking about large schools located in a college town, the entertainment and social opportunities in Ann Arbor, Charlottesville, Gainesville, South Bend, Urbana-Champaign etc. are all pretty much the same.

I have to disagree that all college towns containing large schools are pretty much the same. Some are definitely better than others.

Sure, but they're all generally on the same spectrum of student ghetto housing, combined with bars where you can drink for cheap, coffee shops, sandwich stores etc.

The relative quality of the college town isn't really make it or break it when it comes to picking a school. And a college town like Ann Arbor is a perfectly acceptable place to spend 4 years. I mean, I'm not overselling it as some Xanadu. But, it's hardly the post-apocalyptic hell-hole the anti-Michigan PP was describing it as upthread.

It was miserable to both Sasha Obama and Madonna’s daughter who both transferred out. It’s cold, grey, boring and in the middle of nowhere. Unless you’re into sports and want to binge drink at football and hockey matches, you’re going to be really antsy to get out of there. Going to college in a region you can’t wait to move away from sounds pretty unappealing, to me. Especially when this debate is about non-resident students have the money to go basically anywhere they want.

Lourdes Leon graduated from Michigan in 2021. Once again you’re talking out of your ass.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/01/23/who-is-lourdes-leon/

Saying the same BS over and over again, as well as misinformation, is a sure sign of a personality disorder.

She transferred to SUNY Purchase.

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Anonymous wrote:There's just nothing unique at University of Michigan that is not available at a college in a state with better climate and lots of growth. It's a really overcrowded public university growing fast to cash in. It's located in a boring flyover country town in the middle of nowhere. It has the worst weather of any university in the top 50 (it will be in the 20s and 30s until April). And the state is crumbling and stagnant; smart residents can't flee fast enough. If University of Mississippi was suddenly in the top 30 college, would you all try to convince yourself it's great? That's basically Michigan right now. It's ranked highly because of it's legacy reputation and name rec (sports), not because it's a unique and special undergraduate setting.

You've posted this critique a number of times, and it really doesn't seem relevant to students picking U of M. OOS students don't have any real desire to live in Michigan anyway, and never really have (I attended U of M as an undergraduate in the '90's, when Michigan was doing well, but I none of my OOS friends ever intended to live there after graduation). So, the fact that Detroit is a dump is meaningless to them. And Ann Arbor is a perfectly nice college town that has everything college students are looking for during their 4 years there.

I mean, there are plenty of good or great schools in far worse places where students can't really venture off campus (I'm looking at you, Yale and U. Of Pennsylvania), that don't have any trouble attracting students.

You’re wasting your time trying to reason with this person. He/she/it will just continue to post the same statements ad naseum. Better to ignore and hopefully it will come to an end.

I'm kind of sympathetic to kids who, when given the choice of two otherwise equal schools, might pick the one that's located in a more pleasant climate. I could see picking UVa over U Of M in that regard. But, honestly, once you're talking about large schools located in a college town, the entertainment and social opportunities in Ann Arbor, Charlottesville, Gainesville, South Bend, Urbana-Champaign etc. are all pretty much the same.

I have to disagree that all college towns containing large schools are pretty much the same. Some are definitely better than others.

Sure, but they're all generally on the same spectrum of student ghetto housing, combined with bars where you can drink for cheap, coffee shops, sandwich stores etc.

The relative quality of the college town isn't really make it or break it when it comes to picking a school. And a college town like Ann Arbor is a perfectly acceptable place to spend 4 years. I mean, I'm not overselling it as some Xanadu. But, it's hardly the post-apocalyptic hell-hole the anti-Michigan PP was describing it as upthread.

It was miserable to both Sasha Obama and Madonna’s daughter who both transferred out. It’s cold, grey, boring and in the middle of nowhere. Unless you’re into sports and want to binge drink at football and hockey matches, you’re going to be really antsy to get out of there. Going to college in a region you can’t wait to move away from sounds pretty unappealing, to me. Especially when this debate is about non-resident students have the money to go basically anywhere they want.

Lourdes Leon graduated from Michigan in 2021. Once again you’re talking out of your ass.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/01/23/who-is-lourdes-leon/

Saying the same BS over and over again, as well as misinformation, is a sure sign of a personality disorder.

She transferred to SUNY Purchase.

This appears to be true.

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Anonymous wrote:There's just nothing unique at University of Michigan that is not available at a college in a state with better climate and lots of growth. It's a really overcrowded public university growing fast to cash in. It's located in a boring flyover country town in the middle of nowhere. It has the worst weather of any university in the top 50 (it will be in the 20s and 30s until April). And the state is crumbling and stagnant; smart residents can't flee fast enough. If University of Mississippi was suddenly in the top 30 college, would you all try to convince yourself it's great? That's basically Michigan right now. It's ranked highly because of it's legacy reputation and name rec (sports), not because it's a unique and special undergraduate setting.

You've posted this critique a number of times, and it really doesn't seem relevant to students picking U of M. OOS students don't have any real desire to live in Michigan anyway, and never really have (I attended U of M as an undergraduate in the '90's, when Michigan was doing well, but I none of my OOS friends ever intended to live there after graduation). So, the fact that Detroit is a dump is meaningless to them. And Ann Arbor is a perfectly nice college town that has everything college students are looking for during their 4 years there.

I mean, there are plenty of good or great schools in far worse places where students can't really venture off campus (I'm looking at you, Yale and U. Of Pennsylvania), that don't have any trouble attracting students.

You’re wasting your time trying to reason with this person. He/she/it will just continue to post the same statements ad naseum. Better to ignore and hopefully it will come to an end.

I'm kind of sympathetic to kids who, when given the choice of two otherwise equal schools, might pick the one that's located in a more pleasant climate. I could see picking UVa over U Of M in that regard. But, honestly, once you're talking about large schools located in a college town, the entertainment and social opportunities in Ann Arbor, Charlottesville, Gainesville, South Bend, Urbana-Champaign etc. are all pretty much the same.

I have to disagree that all college towns containing large schools are pretty much the same. Some are definitely better than others.

Sure, but they're all generally on the same spectrum of student ghetto housing, combined with bars where you can drink for cheap, coffee shops, sandwich stores etc.

The relative quality of the college town isn't really make it or break it when it comes to picking a school. And a college town like Ann Arbor is a perfectly acceptable place to spend 4 years. I mean, I'm not overselling it as some Xanadu. But, it's hardly the post-apocalyptic hell-hole the anti-Michigan PP was describing it as upthread.

It was miserable to both Sasha Obama and Madonna’s daughter who both transferred out. It’s cold, grey, boring and in the middle of nowhere. Unless you’re into sports and want to binge drink at football and hockey matches, you’re going to be really antsy to get out of there. Going to college in a region you can’t wait to move away from sounds pretty unappealing, to me. Especially when this debate is about non-resident students have the money to go basically anywhere they want.

It's probably a boost to Michigan's reputation that Sasha Obama and Lourdes Leon didn't spend too much time there. Sasha definitely didn't have the academic chops of a typical Michigan student, as those familiar with her time at Sidwell Friends are well aware, and Lourdes may or may not be smarter but otherwise was just a NYC club-kid.

Plenty of other kids will enjoy four years in Ann Arbor, and do so without necessarily being into sports and binge drinking.

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Anonymous wrote:There's just nothing unique at University of Michigan that is not available at a college in a state with better climate and lots of growth. It's a really overcrowded public university growing fast to cash in. It's located in a boring flyover country town in the middle of nowhere. It has the worst weather of any university in the top 50 (it will be in the 20s and 30s until April). And the state is crumbling and stagnant; smart residents can't flee fast enough. If University of Mississippi was suddenly in the top 30 college, would you all try to convince yourself it's great? That's basically Michigan right now. It's ranked highly because of it's legacy reputation and name rec (sports), not because it's a unique and special undergraduate setting.

You've posted this critique a number of times, and it really doesn't seem relevant to students picking U of M. OOS students don't have any real desire to live in Michigan anyway, and never really have (I attended U of M as an undergraduate in the '90's, when Michigan was doing well, but I none of my OOS friends ever intended to live there after graduation). So, the fact that Detroit is a dump is meaningless to them. And Ann Arbor is a perfectly nice college town that has everything college students are looking for during their 4 years there.

I mean, there are plenty of good or great schools in far worse places where students can't really venture off campus (I'm looking at you, Yale and U. Of Pennsylvania), that don't have any trouble attracting students.

You’re wasting your time trying to reason with this person. He/she/it will just continue to post the same statements ad naseum. Better to ignore and hopefully it will come to an end.

I'm kind of sympathetic to kids who, when given the choice of two otherwise equal schools, might pick the one that's located in a more pleasant climate. I could see picking UVa over U Of M in that regard. But, honestly, once you're talking about large schools located in a college town, the entertainment and social opportunities in Ann Arbor, Charlottesville, Gainesville, South Bend, Urbana-Champaign etc. are all pretty much the same.

I have to disagree that all college towns containing large schools are pretty much the same. Some are definitely better than others.

Sure, but they're all generally on the same spectrum of student ghetto housing, combined with bars where you can drink for cheap, coffee shops, sandwich stores etc.

The relative quality of the college town isn't really make it or break it when it comes to picking a school. And a college town like Ann Arbor is a perfectly acceptable place to spend 4 years. I mean, I'm not overselling it as some Xanadu. But, it's hardly the post-apocalyptic hell-hole the anti-Michigan PP was describing it as upthread.

It was miserable to both Sasha Obama and Madonna’s daughter who both transferred out. It’s cold, grey, boring and in the middle of nowhere. Unless you’re into sports and want to binge drink at football and hockey matches, you’re going to be really antsy to get out of there. Going to college in a region you can’t wait to move away from sounds pretty unappealing, to me. Especially when this debate is about non-resident students have the money to go basically anywhere they want.

It's probably a boost to Michigan's reputation that Sasha Obama and Lourdes Leon didn't spend too much time there. Sasha definitely didn't have the academic chops of a typical Michigan student, as those familiar with her time at Sidwell Friends are well aware, and Lourdes may or may not be smarter but otherwise was just a NYC club-kid.

Plenty of other kids will enjoy four years in Ann Arbor, and do so without necessarily being into sports and binge drinking.

Seems neither could hack the academics. Had to transfer to easier schools that let you slide by.

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I heard both Sasha and Lourdes flunked out. I guess celebrity will only get you so far.

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Anonymous wrote:There's just nothing unique at University of Michigan that is not available at a college in a state with better climate and lots of growth. It's a really overcrowded public university growing fast to cash in. It's located in a boring flyover country town in the middle of nowhere. It has the worst weather of any university in the top 50 (it will be in the 20s and 30s until April). And the state is crumbling and stagnant; smart residents can't flee fast enough. If University of Mississippi was suddenly in the top 30 college, would you all try to convince yourself it's great? That's basically Michigan right now. It's ranked highly because of it's legacy reputation and name rec (sports), not because it's a unique and special undergraduate setting.

You've posted this critique a number of times, and it really doesn't seem relevant to students picking U of M. OOS students don't have any real desire to live in Michigan anyway, and never really have (I attended U of M as an undergraduate in the '90's, when Michigan was doing well, but I none of my OOS friends ever intended to live there after graduation). So, the fact that Detroit is a dump is meaningless to them. And Ann Arbor is a perfectly nice college town that has everything college students are looking for during their 4 years there.

I mean, there are plenty of good or great schools in far worse places where students can't really venture off campus (I'm looking at you, Yale and U. Of Pennsylvania), that don't have any trouble attracting students.

You’re wasting your time trying to reason with this person. He/she/it will just continue to post the same statements ad naseum. Better to ignore and hopefully it will come to an end.

I'm kind of sympathetic to kids who, when given the choice of two otherwise equal schools, might pick the one that's located in a more pleasant climate. I could see picking UVa over U Of M in that regard. But, honestly, once you're talking about large schools located in a college town, the entertainment and social opportunities in Ann Arbor, Charlottesville, Gainesville, South Bend, Urbana-Champaign etc. are all pretty much the same.

I have to disagree that all college towns containing large schools are pretty much the same. Some are definitely better than others.

Sure, but they're all generally on the same spectrum of student ghetto housing, combined with bars where you can drink for cheap, coffee shops, sandwich stores etc.

The relative quality of the college town isn't really make it or break it when it comes to picking a school. And a college town like Ann Arbor is a perfectly acceptable place to spend 4 years. I mean, I'm not overselling it as some Xanadu. But, it's hardly the post-apocalyptic hell-hole the anti-Michigan PP was describing it as upthread.

It was miserable to both Sasha Obama and Madonna’s daughter who both transferred out. It’s cold, grey, boring and in the middle of nowhere. Unless you’re into sports and want to binge drink at football and hockey matches, you’re going to be really antsy to get out of there. Going to college in a region you can’t wait to move away from sounds pretty unappealing, to me. Especially when this debate is about non-resident students have the money to go basically anywhere they want.

You really need help.

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Anonymous wrote:There's just nothing unique at University of Michigan that is not available at a college in a state with better climate and lots of growth. It's a really overcrowded public university growing fast to cash in. It's located in a boring flyover country town in the middle of nowhere. It has the worst weather of any university in the top 50 (it will be in the 20s and 30s until April). And the state is crumbling and stagnant; smart residents can't flee fast enough. If University of Mississippi was suddenly in the top 30 college, would you all try to convince yourself it's great? That's basically Michigan right now. It's ranked highly because of it's legacy reputation and name rec (sports), not because it's a unique and special undergraduate setting.

You've posted this critique a number of times, and it really doesn't seem relevant to students picking U of M. OOS students don't have any real desire to live in Michigan anyway, and never really have (I attended U of M as an undergraduate in the '90's, when Michigan was doing well, but I none of my OOS friends ever intended to live there after graduation). So, the fact that Detroit is a dump is meaningless to them. And Ann Arbor is a perfectly nice college town that has everything college students are looking for during their 4 years there.

I mean, there are plenty of good or great schools in far worse places where students can't really venture off campus (I'm looking at you, Yale and U. Of Pennsylvania), that don't have any trouble attracting students.

You’re wasting your time trying to reason with this person. He/she/it will just continue to post the same statements ad naseum. Better to ignore and hopefully it will come to an end.

I'm kind of sympathetic to kids who, when given the choice of two otherwise equal schools, might pick the one that's located in a more pleasant climate. I could see picking UVa over U Of M in that regard. But, honestly, once you're talking about large schools located in a college town, the entertainment and social opportunities in Ann Arbor, Charlottesville, Gainesville, South Bend, Urbana-Champaign etc. are all pretty much the same.

I have to disagree that all college towns containing large schools are pretty much the same. Some are definitely better than others.

Sure, but they're all generally on the same spectrum of student ghetto housing, combined with bars where you can drink for cheap, coffee shops, sandwich stores etc.

The relative quality of the college town isn't really make it or break it when it comes to picking a school. And a college town like Ann Arbor is a perfectly acceptable place to spend 4 years. I mean, I'm not overselling it as some Xanadu. But, it's hardly the post-apocalyptic hell-hole the anti-Michigan PP was describing it as upthread.

It was miserable to both Sasha Obama and Madonna’s daughter who both transferred out. It’s cold, grey, boring and in the middle of nowhere. Unless you’re into sports and want to binge drink at football and hockey matches, you’re going to be really antsy to get out of there. Going to college in a region you can’t wait to move away from sounds pretty unappealing, to me. Especially when this debate is about non-resident students have the money to go basically anywhere they want.

You really need help.

It has been suggested by multiple posters to this individual, apparently to no avail.

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Anonymous wrote:There's just nothing unique at University of Michigan that is not available at a college in a state with better climate and lots of growth. It's a really overcrowded public university growing fast to cash in. It's located in a boring flyover country town in the middle of nowhere. It has the worst weather of any university in the top 50 (it will be in the 20s and 30s until April). And the state is crumbling and stagnant; smart residents can't flee fast enough. If University of Mississippi was suddenly in the top 30 college, would you all try to convince yourself it's great? That's basically Michigan right now. It's ranked highly because of it's legacy reputation and name rec (sports), not because it's a unique and special undergraduate setting.

You've posted this critique a number of times, and it really doesn't seem relevant to students picking U of M. OOS students don't have any real desire to live in Michigan anyway, and never really have (I attended U of M as an undergraduate in the '90's, when Michigan was doing well, but I none of my OOS friends ever intended to live there after graduation). So, the fact that Detroit is a dump is meaningless to them. And Ann Arbor is a perfectly nice college town that has everything college students are looking for during their 4 years there.

I mean, there are plenty of good or great schools in far worse places where students can't really venture off campus (I'm looking at you, Yale and U. Of Pennsylvania), that don't have any trouble attracting students.

You’re wasting your time trying to reason with this person. He/she/it will just continue to post the same statements ad naseum. Better to ignore and hopefully it will come to an end.

I'm kind of sympathetic to kids who, when given the choice of two otherwise equal schools, might pick the one that's located in a more pleasant climate. I could see picking UVa over U Of M in that regard. But, honestly, once you're talking about large schools located in a college town, the entertainment and social opportunities in Ann Arbor, Charlottesville, Gainesville, South Bend, Urbana-Champaign etc. are all pretty much the same.

I have to disagree that all college towns containing large schools are pretty much the same. Some are definitely better than others.

Sure, but they're all generally on the same spectrum of student ghetto housing, combined with bars where you can drink for cheap, coffee shops, sandwich stores etc.

The relative quality of the college town isn't really make it or break it when it comes to picking a school. And a college town like Ann Arbor is a perfectly acceptable place to spend 4 years. I mean, I'm not overselling it as some Xanadu. But, it's hardly the post-apocalyptic hell-hole the anti-Michigan PP was describing it as upthread.

It was miserable to both Sasha Obama and Madonna’s daughter who both transferred out. It’s cold, grey, boring and in the middle of nowhere. Unless you’re into sports and want to binge drink at football and hockey matches, you’re going to be really antsy to get out of there. Going to college in a region you can’t wait to move away from sounds pretty unappealing, to me. Especially when this debate is about non-resident students have the money to go basically anywhere they want.

Lourdes Leon graduated from Michigan in 2021. Once again you’re talking out of your ass.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/01/23/who-is-lourdes-leon/

Saying the same BS over and over again, as well as misinformation, is a sure sign of a personality disorder.

Yeah, because mommy went there and she is rich.
Madonna grew up in Pontiac and that is one messed up city. It's almost as messed up as thinking about Madonna rubbing up on Drake