Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

Ok. Do you understand history? Do you understand what happened to the Roman republic and what the actual causes of its fall were? How about the many other counties that have fallen into dictatorship after a cycle of political prosecutions?

DP. Biden isn't the one doing this. Do you realize that? Of course you do, but you aren't thinking about what that means.

Think about what that means.

Ironically it is trump appointed Christopher Wray who would be "blamed" for authorizing the raid. It also would require Garland and a Federal Judge.

Who’s the judge?

Not sure we know which judge signed the warrant since Trump hasn’t shown us the warrant.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

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This is a serious question. Are you assuming there is NO probable cause? What if there is probable cause - should they not raid bc he is a former president? What scenarios are you okay and not okay with this raid? Again, serious question.

Correct. They should not prosecute this “crime” precisely because he is a former president and prospective front runner. Because everyone knows that any prosecution is not actually about enforcing the Presidential Records Act, it is instead a pure power play. And power plays are returned in kind by the other side. This is exactly how civil wars start.

So any President can commit any crime whatsoever because investigating them could cause a civil war? That’s a recipe for a banana republic.

Do you think that there, just maybe, is a spectrum of criminal violations and that, if so, that records retention rules might be on the “not so important” end of that spectrum?

Honest question, if the next GOP president decides to audit every prominent Democrat and then charge many of them with tax code violations, would you think that would be ok? Do you see how prosecuting trump could set a precedent that could lead to things like that? Honest question.

Why are you so sure this raid is solely about the Presidential Records Act? That is the reason that has leaked publically, which is convenient for the Justice Dept because that investigation was already known. However, given the dangerous precedent you describe, it’s highly unlikely that Merrick Garland’s Justice Dept would execute a search warrant/ pursue an indictment solely based on the violation of the PRA. It’s possible there were multiple crimes cited on the warrant that haven’t leaked. It’s also possible that the content of the illegally taken documents implicates Trump on more serious charges. We will not know this until indictments come out. The Justice Dept hasn’t had any leaks before taking such dramatic action. They aren’t going to leak about other investigations and tip their hats.

Perhaps the “records retention act” violation was a pretext to grab all the documents they could find, to go on a fishing expedition to find other potential crimes to charge him with.

Search warrants are very limited.

Does everyone else not remember when the National Archives retrieved classified documents from Mar A Lago, and referred the case to the DOJ?

+1 There were some that were so classified/sensitive that officials couldn’t even describe them to the court. That’s a BFD. No paywall -https://wapo.st/3ddeewM

Interesting.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

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This is a serious question. Are you assuming there is NO probable cause? What if there is probable cause - should they not raid bc he is a former president? What scenarios are you okay and not okay with this raid? Again, serious question.

Correct. They should not prosecute this “crime” precisely because he is a former president and prospective front runner. Because everyone knows that any prosecution is not actually about enforcing the Presidential Records Act, it is instead a pure power play. And power plays are returned in kind by the other side. This is exactly how civil wars start.

So any President can commit any crime whatsoever because investigating them could cause a civil war? That’s a recipe for a banana republic.

Do you think that there, just maybe, is a spectrum of criminal violations and that, if so, that records retention rules might be on the “not so important” end of that spectrum?

Honest question, if the next GOP president decides to audit every prominent Democrat and then charge many of them with tax code violations, would you think that would be ok? Do you see how prosecuting trump could set a precedent that could lead to things like that? Honest question.

Why are you so sure this raid is solely about the Presidential Records Act? That is the reason that has leaked publically, which is convenient for the Justice Dept because that investigation was already known. However, given the dangerous precedent you describe, it’s highly unlikely that Merrick Garland’s Justice Dept would execute a search warrant/ pursue an indictment solely based on the violation of the PRA. It’s possible there were multiple crimes cited on the warrant that haven’t leaked. It’s also possible that the content of the illegally taken documents implicates Trump on more serious charges. We will not know this until indictments come out. The Justice Dept hasn’t had any leaks before taking such dramatic action. They aren’t going to leak about other investigations and tip their hats.

Perhaps the “records retention act” violation was a pretext to grab all the documents they could find, to go on a fishing expedition to find other potential crimes to charge him with.

According to reports, the Archives was concerned about the nature and subject of missing documents that were so sensitiive that they could not be itemized in the warrant. This isn't a fishing expedition, that isn't how the warrants work. Stop watching Fox.

Really now?

Yes, the reports really say that.

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So, not only is the Secret Service compromised, but now so are many of our country's top secrets.

Thanks, Trumpsters for making our country UNSAFE.

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How stupid do you have to be to hide evidence in your house?

Oh, rhetorical question

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A Nat Sec friend made an interesting point to me. The Biden WH may be at a disadvantage in international/national security matters because they are missing critical information (conversations, agreements, intelligence from 2017-21) which Trump took with him.

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Anonymous wrote:A Nat Sec friend made an interesting point to me. The Biden WH may be at a disadvantage in international/national security matters because they are missing critical information (conversations, agreements, intelligence from 2017-21) which Trump took with him.

Good point. There must have been a time pressing threat for this search to occur. It’s probably the last thing Garland/Wray wanted to do.

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Anonymous wrote:How stupid do you have to be to hide evidence in your house?

Oh, rhetorical question

As stupid as someone who flushes papers despite living in a house with 28 fireplaces.

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Anonymous wrote:How stupid do you have to be to hide evidence in your house?

Oh, rhetorical question

As stupid as someone who flushes papers despite living in a house with 28 fireplaces.

Didn't he allegedly eat his notes at least once?

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Anonymous wrote:A Nat Sec friend made an interesting point to me. The Biden WH may be at a disadvantage in international/national security matters because they are missing critical information (conversations, agreements, intelligence from 2017-21) which Trump took with him.

lol, so as usual, when Biden messes up, "It's Trumps fault"

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Hypocrite Desantis:

https://www.local10.com/news/florida/2020/12/11/gov-ron-desantis-defends-search-of-ex-state-workers-home/

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Anonymous wrote:Poor Garland, he is accused of not doing enough against Trump and also accused of not doing enough against Hunter. Now he makes a move against trump. What do people think is going to happen when republicans take over the house? I don’t think democrats are thinking this through. Plus now at mid terms, Trump is getting all this air time and now his base is getting all riled up. Poor poor chess move.

So you are saying the republicans in the house will use their power to attempt to interfere with a lawful investigation of a federal crime? And you think that’s a good thing?

No, I am saying that democrats should not throw stones when they live in a glass house because republicans can throw back. By opening up investigations against current sitting presidents.

When a Democrat tries to overthrow the government and sells state secrets, I'll be the first Democrat in line suggesting we open an investigation. I'm an ACTUAL patriot, so it's an easy choice.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

Ok. Do you understand history? Do you understand what happened to the Roman republic and what the actual causes of its fall were? How about the many other counties that have fallen into dictatorship after a cycle of political prosecutions?

DP. Biden isn't the one doing this. Do you realize that? Of course you do, but you aren't thinking about what that means.

Think about what that means.

Ironically it is trump appointed Christopher Wray who would be "blamed" for authorizing the raid. It also would require Garland and a Federal Judge.

Who’s the judge?

Not sure we know which judge signed the warrant since Trump hasn’t shown us the warrant.

Who signed the warrant is definitely out there.

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Anonymous wrote:Poor Garland, he is accused of not doing enough against Trump and also accused of not doing enough against Hunter. Now he makes a move against trump. What do people think is going to happen when republicans take over the house? I don’t think democrats are thinking this through. Plus now at mid terms, Trump is getting all this air time and now his base is getting all riled up. Poor poor chess move.

So you are saying the republicans in the house will use their power to attempt to interfere with a lawful investigation of a federal crime? And you think that’s a good thing?

No, I am saying that democrats should not throw stones when they live in a glass house because republicans can throw back. By opening up investigations against current sitting presidents.

When a Democrat tries to overthrow the government and sells state secrets, I'll be the first Democrat in line suggesting we open an investigation. I'm an ACTUAL patriot, so it's an easy choice.

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Anonymous wrote:So Trump is an idiot savant multi-decade criminal mastermind mafia boss laundering money for foreign countries, selling national secrets, tax fraud, on and on and on… but the most they can get on him is some alleged document theft from his last few hours in the WH?

Got it.

Wonder if they have his kids on video smoking crack, cavorting with hookers, etc. And whether or not they have a recording of him telling Jr. he's "in the clear"