Another Black Eye for Penn

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any mother who *laughs to investigators* when asked about her BF molesting her daughter has a screw loose. I cannot take the mom seriously at all after that. Then the BF denies it happened? Even though there’s contemporaneous evidence that it did? And he’s been reported to police *twice* previously by girlfriends? And yet the mom blew off her daughter’s concerns about him? This is a ducked up family.

Also, what was the bit about her mom calling police when the BF showed Mackenzie his gun? It was sort of dropped in there with no context.

(If I posted in one other place am I supposed to say I did? Although not in a chain of posts).

BTW I did see the NY article as providing more detail than before (incidentally, I did not read "broken bones", I did read "bruised ribs") about her seizure at Penn. When the story first broke I was suspicious of the idea that a seizure could continue for an hour without the person entering status epilepticus state, but they may have been administering valium and O2 (my niece has epilepsy, and at times she has had grand mal seizures in clusters). I do wonder how those stairs and the basement are sent up, because ambulance gurneys are capable of folding into a chair shape to handle stairway turns. A little surprised it took a long time for seizures to occur after her original fall down the stairs.

But most telling is her mother's role, which is bizarre. If I had been her and did not want to risk my status or professional position in the community, I also might have fought the legal battles as she did, but other than that I would keep my mouth shut. I might be estranged from my daughter but I wouldn't keep stirring the pot as she seems to have. She got her criminal charges dropped, she got her name removed from the child abuse registry, she could have let her daughter go on leading her life with a new name.

Was it ever confirmed that the mother contacted Penn versus Penn contacted her? I know there was speculation in the original thread about the mom, but that was confirmed in Penn’s filing that there was an anon email and then the father of a classmate. Penn did say that they contacted her mother to confirm certain things. But I didn’t see that the mom was the instigator (I may well have missed it!).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, sounds like this all needs to go through the discovery process in the court case. The details will all get sorted out as matters of verifiable fact.

I'm sure the court will be accused of bullying the poor child who filed the lawsuit, but what can you do.

Big difference between the legal system teasing out the facts vs hateful jerks wildly speculating and calling her names.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:there really are some dark hearted, hateful people on this thread. imagine if your loved ones knew the innerworkings of your heart and the evil lurking in your mind.

It is not dark hearted or hateful to acknowledge that there is a vast gap in how Fierceton was treated and how she would have been treated had she been anyone other than a very attractive white woman.

You get that her mother got a huge dose of white lady privilege in how the abuse allegations were investigated, right? If you’re going to doubt Fierceton’s story based on white female privilege, you have to do the same for her mother.

I do. I absolutely believe that her mother benefited from the same privilege. That doesn’t take away from the fact that Fierceton significantly benefited and continues to benefit from that same privilege.

I think a lot of the anger towards Fierceton here comes from that unacknowledged reality from her supporters who insist on seeing her solely as a victim, not as a beneficiary of systemic and totally unacknowledged racism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any mother who *laughs to investigators* when asked about her BF molesting her daughter has a screw loose. I cannot take the mom seriously at all after that. Then the BF denies it happened? Even though there’s contemporaneous evidence that it did? And he’s been reported to police *twice* previously by girlfriends? And yet the mom blew off her daughter’s concerns about him? This is a ducked up family.

Also, what was the bit about her mom calling police when the BF showed Mackenzie his gun? It was sort of dropped in there with no context.

(If I posted in one other place am I supposed to say I did? Although not in a chain of posts).

BTW I did see the NY article as providing more detail than before (incidentally, I did not read "broken bones", I did read "bruised ribs") about her seizure at Penn. When the story first broke I was suspicious of the idea that a seizure could continue for an hour without the person entering status epilepticus state, but they may have been administering valium and O2 (my niece has epilepsy, and at times she has had grand mal seizures in clusters). I do wonder how those stairs and the basement are sent up, because ambulance gurneys are capable of folding into a chair shape to handle stairway turns. A little surprised it took a long time for seizures to occur after her original fall down the stairs.

But most telling is her mother's role, which is bizarre. If I had been her and did not want to risk my status or professional position in the community, I also might have fought the legal battles as she did, but other than that I would keep my mouth shut. I might be estranged from my daughter but I wouldn't keep stirring the pot as she seems to have. She got her criminal charges dropped, she got her name removed from the child abuse registry, she could have let her daughter go on leading her life with a new name.

Was it ever confirmed that the mother contacted Penn versus Penn contacted her? I know there was speculation in the original thread about the mom, but that was confirmed in Penn’s filing that there was an anon email and then the father of a classmate. Penn did say that they contacted her mother to confirm certain things. But I didn’t see that the mom was the instigator (I may well have missed it!).

It’s clear that the mother or someone close to her was giving info to Penn, which Penn then passed along to Rhodes. The Rhodes subcommittee report was full of family and childhood photos of Mackenzie at the beach and riding horses that could only have come from the family.

I believe Penn also acknowledged at some point that they had been in touch with Mackenzie’s mother during their own investigation, but would need to dig back for the source on that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:there really are some dark hearted, hateful people on this thread. imagine if your loved ones knew the innerworkings of your heart and the evil lurking in your mind.

It is not dark hearted or hateful to acknowledge that there is a vast gap in how Fierceton was treated and how she would have been treated had she been anyone other than a very attractive white woman.

You get that her mother got a huge dose of white lady privilege in how the abuse allegations were investigated, right? If you’re going to doubt Fierceton’s story based on white female privilege, you have to do the same for her mother.

I do. I absolutely believe that her mother benefited from the same privilege. That doesn’t take away from the fact that Fierceton significantly benefited and continues to benefit from that same privilege.

I think a lot of the anger towards Fierceton here comes from that unacknowledged reality from her supporters who insist on seeing her solely as a victim, not as a beneficiary of systemic and totally unacknowledged racism.

Are you really trying to rank the suffering of abuse victims and victims of racism?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody is buying this, you can stop spamming the forum. The rich spoiled layabout needs to get off Twitter and DCUM and go get a real job. Imagine the gall to pretend to be poor kid and you’ve never worked a day in your life.

Yes, because graduating with honors and supporting yourself through college isn't work?

Turns out that scared teenager writing in her journal was 100% right. People will often side with the abusers.

You are a broken record circling back to fake inflated grades. Nobody cares about a rich spoiled brat’s As and Bs at a ritzy day school or As and Bs in a soft major at Penn CAS. Or the soft master’s. No mention of standardized test scores because they are dire, which exposes her for the midwit leech she is.

WTF is wrong with you?

"Why do you care so much?" Again, the closed circle of response.

You are not allowed to question the story of Mackenzie Fierceton.

No, the question was about you. WTF is wrong with you?

Not me, DP. But given your response is to double-down on the same, I guess it does not matter.

You may want to think about why you have so much hate for this girl. It’s fcked up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody is buying this, you can stop spamming the forum. The rich spoiled layabout needs to get off Twitter and DCUM and go get a real job. Imagine the gall to pretend to be poor kid and you’ve never worked a day in your life.

Yes, because graduating with honors and supporting yourself through college isn't work?

Turns out that scared teenager writing in her journal was 100% right. People will often side with the abusers.

You are a broken record circling back to fake inflated grades. Nobody cares about a rich spoiled brat’s As and Bs at a ritzy day school or As and Bs in a soft major at Penn CAS. Or the soft master’s. No mention of standardized test scores because they are dire, which exposes her for the midwit leech she is.

WTF is wrong with you?

"Why do you care so much?" Again, the closed circle of response.

You are not allowed to question the story of Mackenzie Fierceton.

No, the question was about you. WTF is wrong with you?

Not me, DP. But given your response is to double-down on the same, I guess it does not matter.

You may want to think about why you have so much hate for this girl. It’s fcked up.

Misogyny runs very deep in some people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Any mother who *laughs to investigators* when asked about her BF molesting her daughter has a screw loose. I cannot take the mom seriously at all after that. Then the BF denies it happened? Even though there’s contemporaneous evidence that it did? And he’s been reported to police *twice* previously by girlfriends? And yet the mom blew off her daughter’s concerns about him? This is a ducked up family.

Also, what was the bit about her mom calling police when the BF showed Mackenzie his gun? It was sort of dropped in there with no context.

(If I posted in one other place am I supposed to say I did? Although not in a chain of posts).

BTW I did see the NY article as providing more detail than before (incidentally, I did not read "broken bones", I did read "bruised ribs") about her seizure at Penn. When the story first broke I was suspicious of the idea that a seizure could continue for an hour without the person entering status epilepticus state, but they may have been administering valium and O2 (my niece has epilepsy, and at times she has had grand mal seizures in clusters). I do wonder how those stairs and the basement are sent up, because ambulance gurneys are capable of folding into a chair shape to handle stairway turns. A little surprised it took a long time for seizures to occur after her original fall down the stairs.

But most telling is her mother's role, which is bizarre. If I had been her and did not want to risk my status or professional position in the community, I also might have fought the legal battles as she did, but other than that I would keep my mouth shut. I might be estranged from my daughter but I wouldn't keep stirring the pot as she seems to have. She got her criminal charges dropped, she got her name removed from the child abuse registry, she could have let her daughter go on leading her life with a new name.

Was it ever confirmed that the mother contacted Penn versus Penn contacted her? I know there was speculation in the original thread about the mom, but that was confirmed in Penn’s filing that there was an anon email and then the father of a classmate. Penn did say that they contacted her mother to confirm certain things. But I didn’t see that the mom was the instigator (I may well have missed it!).

It’s clear that the mother or someone close to her was giving info to Penn, which Penn then passed along to Rhodes. The Rhodes subcommittee report was full of family and childhood photos of Mackenzie at the beach and riding horses that could only have come from the family.

I believe Penn also acknowledged at some point that they had been in touch with Mackenzie’s mother during their own investigation, but would need to dig back for the source on that.

Yes, they did acknowledge that in the filing. That is why so many people have said that Penn violated their own privacy regulations. Just wasn’t sure if they also stated the mother contacted them directly (without being asked by Penn) at any point with information.

[Anonymous]

So she pathologically lied to Rhodes AND to reporters after she won AND gleefully retweeted the viral articles full of known falsehoods?

But she’s blaming the mom, et al. for dropping a dime ON HER LIES?

Wow just wow. Privileged rich white brat. Nobody but a rich white woman has this sort of audacity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody is buying this, you can stop spamming the forum. The rich spoiled layabout needs to get off Twitter and DCUM and go get a real job. Imagine the gall to pretend to be poor kid and you’ve never worked a day in your life.

Yes, because graduating with honors and supporting yourself through college isn't work?

Turns out that scared teenager writing in her journal was 100% right. People will often side with the abusers.

You are a broken record circling back to fake inflated grades. Nobody cares about a rich spoiled brat’s As and Bs at a ritzy day school or As and Bs in a soft major at Penn CAS. Or the soft master’s. No mention of standardized test scores because they are dire, which exposes her for the midwit leech she is.

WTF is wrong with you?

"Why do you care so much?" Again, the closed circle of response.

You are not allowed to question the story of Mackenzie Fierceton.

No, the question was about you. WTF is wrong with you?

Not me, DP. But given your response is to double-down on the same, I guess it does not matter.

You may want to think about why you have so much hate for this girl. It’s fcked up.

She is not a girl. She’s a 25 year old freeloader.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Any mother who *laughs to investigators* when asked about her BF molesting her daughter has a screw loose. I cannot take the mom seriously at all after that. Then the BF denies it happened? Even though there’s contemporaneous evidence that it did? And he’s been reported to police *twice* previously by girlfriends? And yet the mom blew off her daughter’s concerns about him? This is a ducked up family.

Also, what was the bit about her mom calling police when the BF showed Mackenzie his gun? It was sort of dropped in there with no context.

(If I posted in one other place am I supposed to say I did? Although not in a chain of posts).

BTW I did see the NY article as providing more detail than before (incidentally, I did not read "broken bones", I did read "bruised ribs") about her seizure at Penn. When the story first broke I was suspicious of the idea that a seizure could continue for an hour without the person entering status epilepticus state, but they may have been administering valium and O2 (my niece has epilepsy, and at times she has had grand mal seizures in clusters). I do wonder how those stairs and the basement are sent up, because ambulance gurneys are capable of folding into a chair shape to handle stairway turns. A little surprised it took a long time for seizures to occur after her original fall down the stairs.

But most telling is her mother's role, which is bizarre. If I had been her and did not want to risk my status or professional position in the community, I also might have fought the legal battles as she did, but other than that I would keep my mouth shut. I might be estranged from my daughter but I wouldn't keep stirring the pot as she seems to have. She got her criminal charges dropped, she got her name removed from the child abuse registry, she could have let her daughter go on leading her life with a new name.

Was it ever confirmed that the mother contacted Penn versus Penn contacted her? I know there was speculation in the original thread about the mom, but that was confirmed in Penn’s filing that there was an anon email and then the father of a classmate. Penn did say that they contacted her mother to confirm certain things. But I didn’t see that the mom was the instigator (I may well have missed it!).

It’s clear that the mother or someone close to her was giving info to Penn, which Penn then passed along to Rhodes. The Rhodes subcommittee report was full of family and childhood photos of Mackenzie at the beach and riding horses that could only have come from the family.

I believe Penn also acknowledged at some point that they had been in touch with Mackenzie’s mother during their own investigation, but would need to dig back for the source on that.

Yes, they did acknowledge that in the filing. That is why so many people have said that Penn violated their own privacy regulations. Just wasn’t sure if they also stated the mother contacted them directly (without being asked by Penn) at any point with information.

I don’t know that your question has ever been addressed. But if the mother didn’t want to be involved, she could have just declined to speak with them. She did not have to provide family photos.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody is buying this, you can stop spamming the forum. The rich spoiled layabout needs to get off Twitter and DCUM and go get a real job. Imagine the gall to pretend to be poor kid and you’ve never worked a day in your life.

Yes, because graduating with honors and supporting yourself through college isn't work?

Turns out that scared teenager writing in her journal was 100% right. People will often side with the abusers.

You are a broken record circling back to fake inflated grades. Nobody cares about a rich spoiled brat’s As and Bs at a ritzy day school or As and Bs in a soft major at Penn CAS. Or the soft master’s. No mention of standardized test scores because they are dire, which exposes her for the midwit leech she is.

WTF is wrong with you?

"Why do you care so much?" Again, the closed circle of response.

You are not allowed to question the story of Mackenzie Fierceton.

No, the question was about you. WTF is wrong with you?

Not me, DP. But given your response is to double-down on the same, I guess it does not matter.

You may want to think about why you have so much hate for this girl. It’s fcked up.

Misogyny runs very deep in some people.

100% this

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there really are some dark hearted, hateful people on this thread. imagine if your loved ones knew the innerworkings of your heart and the evil lurking in your mind.

It is not dark hearted or hateful to acknowledge that there is a vast gap in how Fierceton was treated and how she would have been treated had she been anyone other than a very attractive white woman.

You get that her mother got a huge dose of white lady privilege in how the abuse allegations were investigated, right? If you’re going to doubt Fierceton’s story based on white female privilege, you have to do the same for her mother.

I do. I absolutely believe that her mother benefited from the same privilege. That doesn’t take away from the fact that Fierceton significantly benefited and continues to benefit from that same privilege.

I think a lot of the anger towards Fierceton here comes from that unacknowledged reality from her supporters who insist on seeing her solely as a victim, not as a beneficiary of systemic and totally unacknowledged racism.

Some of us are abuse survivors ourselves.

I’d be even more adamant a supporter of her if she were black.

I bet this is the first time you’ve been concerned about systemic racism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nobody is buying this, you can stop spamming the forum. The rich spoiled layabout needs to get off Twitter and DCUM and go get a real job. Imagine the gall to pretend to be poor kid and you’ve never worked a day in your life.

Yes, because graduating with honors and supporting yourself through college isn't work?

Turns out that scared teenager writing in her journal was 100% right. People will often side with the abusers.

You are a broken record circling back to fake inflated grades. Nobody cares about a rich spoiled brat’s As and Bs at a ritzy day school or As and Bs in a soft major at Penn CAS. Or the soft master’s. No mention of standardized test scores because they are dire, which exposes her for the midwit leech she is.

WTF is wrong with you?

"Why do you care so much?" Again, the closed circle of response.

You are not allowed to question the story of Mackenzie Fierceton.

No, the question was about you. WTF is wrong with you?

Not me, DP. But given your response is to double-down on the same, I guess it does not matter.

You may want to think about why you have so much hate for this girl. It’s fcked up.

She is not a girl. She’s a 25 year old freeloader.

It's weird how you've decided the hill you're going to die on is repeating again and again that's she's 25, while ignoring the last 10 years which are the focus of this case, beginning when she was a child. Child. CHILD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:there really are some dark hearted, hateful people on this thread. imagine if your loved ones knew the innerworkings of your heart and the evil lurking in your mind.

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