TJ admissions decision - repercussions for Class of 2026

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for the class of 2026. More incompetence by FCPS and school board impacting the kids. Like the judge said, they knew this was a possibility and coming. FCPS should have had a plan B.

The 4th circuit is plan B.

lol. So true. No one at FCPS imagined a loss in this case.

Or cares. Maybe plan C is closing the school or turning it into an academy. I can't imagine there is much stomach for actually letting the TJ coalition win.

Nah. They cannot close it because TJ is a regional governor's school. Ha. Get over it suckers.

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Lottery it is.

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Anonymous wrote:No, they'll just use what they have without the proxy discrimination of the 1.5% and experience factors.

Why would FCPS do that given their stated goals? Lotteries are legal.

The lottery was already shot down. The school board knows they can't use it. That would cause a riot in the streets.

Where in the order does the judge say that a lottery is illegal?

I think lottery is the most likely outcome at this point.

I am seriously curious what would happen if FCPS came out and said "it's either the fall 2020 process or a lottery among the 2500 qualified applicants with no weighting whatsoever".

If I were the Coalition4TJ, I would seriously consider dropping the suit. Their kids have a FAR better chance of getting in under the currently enjoined process than a lottery. And lotteries are expressly legal.

Yea, blackmailing parents is such a good way for elected officials to behave.

It's not about blackmail. It's about getting students their decisions in a timely manner and getting TJ their lists of students so that they can create schedules and make hiring decisions without extreme last-minute stress.

The fact that they are under extreme last minute stress is because they implemented a racist admissions policy and then didn't have a backup plan as suggested by the judge when this went to trial. It is not the parents' duty to be considerate of the predicament that the board placed themselves in. To now turn around and threaten a certain action against the interest of the parents is blackmail, pure and simple.

Yeah - for the purposes of this discussion you have to treat TJ (and therefore, its students) and FCPS/School Board/TJ Admissions Office as two separate entities.

TJ the school didn't do anything with respect to this process apart from send one letter home to parents. From the perspective of the school and its students, the process needs to be complete by the prescribed date of April 29th and ideally much earlier.

The fact that you view a lottery as a "threat" is interesting to say the least. But just for the sake of argument, which would you choose? A straight lottery or the Fall 2020 process - if those are your only two options?

TJ the school when you consider the principal did A LOT more than just send a single letter home. She fought as hard as anyone to change the policy. Which is important if you don’t like the verdict and you are going to scream we can’t plan and accept students for next year if we have to change the admissions….they were warned. She also tried to change the name Colonial.

Precisely how did she “fight to change the policy”?

DP, but I watched many school board meetings last year. Mainly my interest was in the plans to return to in person school. However, having a TJ student, I also watched portions the meeting where they discussed TJs admission policy changes. The TJ principal was fully supportive of the changes when she presented and said the school would be fully welcoming the URMs who attended. I thought it was ironic because my freshman at the time was told by a teacher DC didn’t belong. There was nothing welcoming about TJ at all and my DC was lost as a new student. No teacher, asst principal, or principal reached out. I can only imagine what a URM would go through at TJ with the change in admissions.

1) It's not like she had a choice of whether or not to be supportive of the changes. It's malpractice as an educator to put yourself in a position where you're greeting students having been vocally dismissive of the process that got them there.

2) She said the school would be fully welcoming all of the students in the incoming class and did not single out the students who would be coming from underrepresented groups.

3) The administration has been quite purposeful in the past couple of years about addressing the environment. An enormous help was the departure of the previous Director of Student Services, who has essentially become the #2 at the school and was pretty vocal about his "sink-or-swim" mentality. I have no difficulty believing that, under his watch, your student didn't get the support they needed and deserved and that's frankly a disgrace.

2) She said the school would be fully welcoming all of the students in the incoming class and did not single out the students who would be coming from underrepresented groups.

This is EXACTLY my gripe with the principal. She is ALL talk and lip service. She says the school will be welcoming, but then let’s the school continue to have a culture of sink or swim. She does NOTHING to change it. Frankly the buck should stop with her. She’s the captain of the ship and needs to take accountability for how her school operates instead of passing the buck to those beneath her.

Right or wrong, the school has always had a swim or sink culture. Why would you expect her to change that for the students of class 2025? Are you saying they are less qualified and need more hand-holding? The school can be welcoming in terms of not singling out students that might have benefited from the new admission policy, but it certainly should not change its rigor to accommodate some students. In years past, struggling students either work harder and try to keep up or go back to their base schools. The same should apply to the class of 2025 and beyond.

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Anonymous wrote:No, they'll just use what they have without the proxy discrimination of the 1.5% and experience factors.

Why would FCPS do that given their stated goals? Lotteries are legal.

The lottery was already shot down. The school board knows they can't use it. That would cause a riot in the streets.

Where in the order does the judge say that a lottery is illegal?

I think lottery is the most likely outcome at this point.

I am seriously curious what would happen if FCPS came out and said "it's either the fall 2020 process or a lottery among the 2500 qualified applicants with no weighting whatsoever".

If I were the Coalition4TJ, I would seriously consider dropping the suit. Their kids have a FAR better chance of getting in under the currently enjoined process than a lottery. And lotteries are expressly legal.

Yea, blackmailing parents is such a good way for elected officials to behave.

It's not about blackmail. It's about getting students their decisions in a timely manner and getting TJ their lists of students so that they can create schedules and make hiring decisions without extreme last-minute stress.

The fact that they are under extreme last minute stress is because they implemented a racist admissions policy and then didn't have a backup plan as suggested by the judge when this went to trial. It is not the parents' duty to be considerate of the predicament that the board placed themselves in. To now turn around and threaten a certain action against the interest of the parents is blackmail, pure and simple.

Yeah - for the purposes of this discussion you have to treat TJ (and therefore, its students) and FCPS/School Board/TJ Admissions Office as two separate entities.

TJ the school didn't do anything with respect to this process apart from send one letter home to parents. From the perspective of the school and its students, the process needs to be complete by the prescribed date of April 29th and ideally much earlier.

The fact that you view a lottery as a "threat" is interesting to say the least. But just for the sake of argument, which would you choose? A straight lottery or the Fall 2020 process - if those are your only two options?

TJ the school when you consider the principal did A LOT more than just send a single letter home. She fought as hard as anyone to change the policy. Which is important if you don’t like the verdict and you are going to scream we can’t plan and accept students for next year if we have to change the admissions….they were warned. She also tried to change the name Colonial.

Precisely how did she “fight to change the policy”?

DP, but I watched many school board meetings last year. Mainly my interest was in the plans to return to in person school. However, having a TJ student, I also watched portions the meeting where they discussed TJs admission policy changes. The TJ principal was fully supportive of the changes when she presented and said the school would be fully welcoming the URMs who attended. I thought it was ironic because my freshman at the time was told by a teacher DC didn’t belong. There was nothing welcoming about TJ at all and my DC was lost as a new student. No teacher, asst principal, or principal reached out. I can only imagine what a URM would go through at TJ with the change in admissions.

1) It's not like she had a choice of whether or not to be supportive of the changes. It's malpractice as an educator to put yourself in a position where you're greeting students having been vocally dismissive of the process that got them there.

2) She said the school would be fully welcoming all of the students in the incoming class and did not single out the students who would be coming from underrepresented groups.

3) The administration has been quite purposeful in the past couple of years about addressing the environment. An enormous help was the departure of the previous Director of Student Services, who has essentially become the #2 at the school and was pretty vocal about his "sink-or-swim" mentality. I have no difficulty believing that, under his watch, your student didn't get the support they needed and deserved and that's frankly a disgrace.

2) She said the school would be fully welcoming all of the students in the incoming class and did not single out the students who would be coming from underrepresented groups.

This is EXACTLY my gripe with the principal. She is ALL talk and lip service. She says the school will be welcoming, but then let’s the school continue to have a culture of sink or swim. She does NOTHING to change it. Frankly the buck should stop with her. She’s the captain of the ship and needs to take accountability for how her school operates instead of passing the buck to those beneath her.

Right or wrong, the school has always had a swim or sink culture. Why would you expect her to change that for the students of class 2025? Are you saying they are less qualified and need more hand-holding? The school can be welcoming in terms of not singling out students that might have benefited from the new admission policy, but it certainly should not change its rigor to accommodate some students. In years past, struggling students either work harder and try to keep up or go back to their base schools. The same should apply to the class of 2025 and beyond.

LWNJs have very low expectations for black or Hispanic students. Worst form of racism against black and Hispanic students that just perpetuates the cycle of low expectation and low achievement. Black and Hispanic students need appropriate and good teachers, adequate resources, good equipment, good labs, appropriate and continuous tutoring, coaching etc. etc. I am sure many TJ parents will volunteer to tutor or coach if given the opportunity.

Many TJ students volunteer and tutor some of these students but that is not enough. FCPS has to properly educate these students from grade 1 all the way to grade 8. Very rigorous and intensive educational program that would be more rigorous than watered down useless AAP. They will be adequately prepared to enter TJ only if they have received properly rigorous education for those years. My son for example was reading on his own for fun in elementary school my old law school casebooks and writings by Jung, Aristotle, Euclid, Descartes and Kant etc. It is not important that he understands the content but just exposing him to different ideas early on is important.

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Has anything been announced yet about how and when admissions decisions will be made this year? So frustrating that there is all of this uncertainty. At this point, I don't even care what admissions process they use - I just want them to make some decisions so that we can all move on.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for the class of 2026. More incompetence by FCPS and school board impacting the kids. Like the judge said, they knew this was a possibility and coming. FCPS should have had a plan B.

The 4th circuit is plan B.

lol. So true. No one at FCPS imagined a loss in this case.

Or cares. Maybe plan C is closing the school or turning it into an academy. I can't imagine there is much stomach for actually letting the TJ coalition win.

Nah. They cannot close it because TJ is a regional governor's school. Ha. Get over it suckers.

Controlled and funded by FCPS. They aren't returning to a system that admits a black child or two every year. If it's between that and just getting rid of the school, they will get rid of the school.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for the class of 2026. More incompetence by FCPS and school board impacting the kids. Like the judge said, they knew this was a possibility and coming. FCPS should have had a plan B.

The 4th circuit is plan B.

lol. So true. No one at FCPS imagined a loss in this case.

Or cares. Maybe plan C is closing the school or turning it into an academy. I can't imagine there is much stomach for actually letting the TJ coalition win.

Nah. They cannot close it because TJ is a regional governor's school. Ha. Get over it suckers.

Controlled and funded by FCPS. They aren't returning to a system that admits a black child or two every year. If it's between that and just getting rid of the school, they will get rid of the school.

Do you have a job or do you just like posting anti-TJ comments?

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Anonymous wrote:No, they'll just use what they have without the proxy discrimination of the 1.5% and experience factors.

Why would FCPS do that given their stated goals? Lotteries are legal.

The lottery was already shot down. The school board knows they can't use it. That would cause a riot in the streets.

Where in the order does the judge say that a lottery is illegal?

I think lottery is the most likely outcome at this point.

I am seriously curious what would happen if FCPS came out and said "it's either the fall 2020 process or a lottery among the 2500 qualified applicants with no weighting whatsoever".

If I were the Coalition4TJ, I would seriously consider dropping the suit. Their kids have a FAR better chance of getting in under the currently enjoined process than a lottery. And lotteries are expressly legal.

Yea, blackmailing parents is such a good way for elected officials to behave.

It's not about blackmail. It's about getting students their decisions in a timely manner and getting TJ their lists of students so that they can create schedules and make hiring decisions without extreme last-minute stress.

The fact that they are under extreme last minute stress is because they implemented a racist admissions policy and then didn't have a backup plan as suggested by the judge when this went to trial. It is not the parents' duty to be considerate of the predicament that the board placed themselves in. To now turn around and threaten a certain action against the interest of the parents is blackmail, pure and simple.

Yeah - for the purposes of this discussion you have to treat TJ (and therefore, its students) and FCPS/School Board/TJ Admissions Office as two separate entities.

TJ the school didn't do anything with respect to this process apart from send one letter home to parents. From the perspective of the school and its students, the process needs to be complete by the prescribed date of April 29th and ideally much earlier.

The fact that you view a lottery as a "threat" is interesting to say the least. But just for the sake of argument, which would you choose? A straight lottery or the Fall 2020 process - if those are your only two options?

TJ the school when you consider the principal did A LOT more than just send a single letter home. She fought as hard as anyone to change the policy. Which is important if you don’t like the verdict and you are going to scream we can’t plan and accept students for next year if we have to change the admissions….they were warned. She also tried to change the name Colonial.

Precisely how did she “fight to change the policy”?

DP, but I watched many school board meetings last year. Mainly my interest was in the plans to return to in person school. However, having a TJ student, I also watched portions the meeting where they discussed TJs admission policy changes. The TJ principal was fully supportive of the changes when she presented and said the school would be fully welcoming the URMs who attended. I thought it was ironic because my freshman at the time was told by a teacher DC didn’t belong. There was nothing welcoming about TJ at all and my DC was lost as a new student. No teacher, asst principal, or principal reached out. I can only imagine what a URM would go through at TJ with the change in admissions.

1) It's not like she had a choice of whether or not to be supportive of the changes. It's malpractice as an educator to put yourself in a position where you're greeting students having been vocally dismissive of the process that got them there.

2) She said the school would be fully welcoming all of the students in the incoming class and did not single out the students who would be coming from underrepresented groups.

3) The administration has been quite purposeful in the past couple of years about addressing the environment. An enormous help was the departure of the previous Director of Student Services, who has essentially become the #2 at the school and was pretty vocal about his "sink-or-swim" mentality. I have no difficulty believing that, under his watch, your student didn't get the support they needed and deserved and that's frankly a disgrace.

2) She said the school would be fully welcoming all of the students in the incoming class and did not single out the students who would be coming from underrepresented groups.

This is EXACTLY my gripe with the principal. She is ALL talk and lip service. She says the school will be welcoming, but then let’s the school continue to have a culture of sink or swim. She does NOTHING to change it. Frankly the buck should stop with her. She’s the captain of the ship and needs to take accountability for how her school operates instead of passing the buck to those beneath her.

Right or wrong, the school has always had a swim or sink culture. Why would you expect her to change that for the students of class 2025? Are you saying they are less qualified and need more hand-holding? The school can be welcoming in terms of not singling out students that might have benefited from the new admission policy, but it certainly should not change its rigor to accommodate some students. In years past, struggling students either work harder and try to keep up or go back to their base schools. The same should apply to the class of 2025 and beyond.

LWNJs have very low expectations for black or Hispanic students. Worst form of racism against black and Hispanic students that just perpetuates the cycle of low expectation and low achievement. Black and Hispanic students need appropriate and good teachers, adequate resources, good equipment, good labs, appropriate and continuous tutoring, coaching etc. etc. I am sure many TJ parents will volunteer to tutor or coach if given the opportunity.

Many TJ students volunteer and tutor some of these students but that is not enough. FCPS has to properly educate these students from grade 1 all the way to grade 8. Very rigorous and intensive educational program that would be more rigorous than watered down useless AAP. They will be adequately prepared to enter TJ only if they have received properly rigorous education for those years. My son for example was reading on his own for fun in elementary school my old law school casebooks and writings by Jung, Aristotle, Euclid, Descartes and Kant etc. It is not important that he understands the content but just exposing him to different ideas early on is important.

Wow. Beyond tone deaf.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for the class of 2026. More incompetence by FCPS and school board impacting the kids. Like the judge said, they knew this was a possibility and coming. FCPS should have had a plan B.

The 4th circuit is plan B.

lol. So true. No one at FCPS imagined a loss in this case.

Or cares. Maybe plan C is closing the school or turning it into an academy. I can't imagine there is much stomach for actually letting the TJ coalition win.

Nah. They cannot close it because TJ is a regional governor's school. Ha. Get over it suckers.

Controlled and funded by FCPS. They aren't returning to a system that admits a black child or two every year. If it's between that and just getting rid of the school, they will get rid of the school.

Nah. TJ is controlled by a regional governing body under a VA statute (the surrounding jurisdictions have allowed FCPS to operate it) and funded in significant part (about 25 - 35%) by the surrounding jurisdictions including having paid 25-35% of the renovation costs.

With the New Governor, good luck closing it. You are stuck paying for it although you are too dumb to have your kids ever enjoy it. You can go tour the place. Suckers.

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Anonymous wrote:No, they'll just use what they have without the proxy discrimination of the 1.5% and experience factors.

Why would FCPS do that given their stated goals? Lotteries are legal.

The lottery was already shot down. The school board knows they can't use it. That would cause a riot in the streets.

Where in the order does the judge say that a lottery is illegal?

I think lottery is the most likely outcome at this point.

I am seriously curious what would happen if FCPS came out and said "it's either the fall 2020 process or a lottery among the 2500 qualified applicants with no weighting whatsoever".

If I were the Coalition4TJ, I would seriously consider dropping the suit. Their kids have a FAR better chance of getting in under the currently enjoined process than a lottery. And lotteries are expressly legal.

Yea, blackmailing parents is such a good way for elected officials to behave.

It's not about blackmail. It's about getting students their decisions in a timely manner and getting TJ their lists of students so that they can create schedules and make hiring decisions without extreme last-minute stress.

The fact that they are under extreme last minute stress is because they implemented a racist admissions policy and then didn't have a backup plan as suggested by the judge when this went to trial. It is not the parents' duty to be considerate of the predicament that the board placed themselves in. To now turn around and threaten a certain action against the interest of the parents is blackmail, pure and simple.

Yeah - for the purposes of this discussion you have to treat TJ (and therefore, its students) and FCPS/School Board/TJ Admissions Office as two separate entities.

TJ the school didn't do anything with respect to this process apart from send one letter home to parents. From the perspective of the school and its students, the process needs to be complete by the prescribed date of April 29th and ideally much earlier.

The fact that you view a lottery as a "threat" is interesting to say the least. But just for the sake of argument, which would you choose? A straight lottery or the Fall 2020 process - if those are your only two options?

TJ the school when you consider the principal did A LOT more than just send a single letter home. She fought as hard as anyone to change the policy. Which is important if you don’t like the verdict and you are going to scream we can’t plan and accept students for next year if we have to change the admissions….they were warned. She also tried to change the name Colonial.

Precisely how did she “fight to change the policy”?

DP, but I watched many school board meetings last year. Mainly my interest was in the plans to return to in person school. However, having a TJ student, I also watched portions the meeting where they discussed TJs admission policy changes. The TJ principal was fully supportive of the changes when she presented and said the school would be fully welcoming the URMs who attended. I thought it was ironic because my freshman at the time was told by a teacher DC didn’t belong. There was nothing welcoming about TJ at all and my DC was lost as a new student. No teacher, asst principal, or principal reached out. I can only imagine what a URM would go through at TJ with the change in admissions.

1) It's not like she had a choice of whether or not to be supportive of the changes. It's malpractice as an educator to put yourself in a position where you're greeting students having been vocally dismissive of the process that got them there.

2) She said the school would be fully welcoming all of the students in the incoming class and did not single out the students who would be coming from underrepresented groups.

3) The administration has been quite purposeful in the past couple of years about addressing the environment. An enormous help was the departure of the previous Director of Student Services, who has essentially become the #2 at the school and was pretty vocal about his "sink-or-swim" mentality. I have no difficulty believing that, under his watch, your student didn't get the support they needed and deserved and that's frankly a disgrace.

2) She said the school would be fully welcoming all of the students in the incoming class and did not single out the students who would be coming from underrepresented groups.

This is EXACTLY my gripe with the principal. She is ALL talk and lip service. She says the school will be welcoming, but then let’s the school continue to have a culture of sink or swim. She does NOTHING to change it. Frankly the buck should stop with her. She’s the captain of the ship and needs to take accountability for how her school operates instead of passing the buck to those beneath her.

Right or wrong, the school has always had a swim or sink culture. Why would you expect her to change that for the students of class 2025? Are you saying they are less qualified and need more hand-holding? The school can be welcoming in terms of not singling out students that might have benefited from the new admission policy, but it certainly should not change its rigor to accommodate some students. In years past, struggling students either work harder and try to keep up or go back to their base schools. The same should apply to the class of 2025 and beyond.

LWNJs have very low expectations for black or Hispanic students. Worst form of racism against black and Hispanic students that just perpetuates the cycle of low expectation and low achievement. Black and Hispanic students need appropriate and good teachers, adequate resources, good equipment, good labs, appropriate and continuous tutoring, coaching etc. etc. I am sure many TJ parents will volunteer to tutor or coach if given the opportunity.

Many TJ students volunteer and tutor some of these students but that is not enough. FCPS has to properly educate these students from grade 1 all the way to grade 8. Very rigorous and intensive educational program that would be more rigorous than watered down useless AAP. They will be adequately prepared to enter TJ only if they have received properly rigorous education for those years. My son for example was reading on his own for fun in elementary school my old law school casebooks and writings by Jung, Aristotle, Euclid, Descartes and Kant etc. It is not important that he understands the content but just exposing him to different ideas early on is important.

Wow. Right on point.

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Anonymous wrote:Lottery it is.

Blackmailing it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for the class of 2026. More incompetence by FCPS and school board impacting the kids. Like the judge said, they knew this was a possibility and coming. FCPS should have had a plan B.

The 4th circuit is plan B.

lol. So true. No one at FCPS imagined a loss in this case.

Or cares. Maybe plan C is closing the school or turning it into an academy. I can't imagine there is much stomach for actually letting the TJ coalition win.

Nah. They cannot close it because TJ is a regional governor's school. Ha. Get over it suckers.

Controlled and funded by FCPS. They aren't returning to a system that admits a black child or two every year. If it's between that and just getting rid of the school, they will get rid of the school.

Nah. TJ is controlled by a regional governing body under a VA statute (the surrounding jurisdictions have allowed FCPS to operate it) and funded in significant part (about 25 - 35%) by the surrounding jurisdictions including having paid 25-35% of the renovation costs.

With the New Governor, good luck closing it. You are stuck paying for it although you are too dumb to have your kids ever enjoy it. You can go tour the place. Suckers.

FCPS appoints the board and owns the facilities.

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Anonymous wrote:No, they'll just use what they have without the proxy discrimination of the 1.5% and experience factors.

Why would FCPS do that given their stated goals? Lotteries are legal.

The lottery was already shot down. The school board knows they can't use it. That would cause a riot in the streets.

Where in the order does the judge say that a lottery is illegal?

I think lottery is the most likely outcome at this point.

I am seriously curious what would happen if FCPS came out and said "it's either the fall 2020 process or a lottery among the 2500 qualified applicants with no weighting whatsoever".

If I were the Coalition4TJ, I would seriously consider dropping the suit. Their kids have a FAR better chance of getting in under the currently enjoined process than a lottery. And lotteries are expressly legal.

Yea, blackmailing parents is such a good way for elected officials to behave.

It's not about blackmail. It's about getting students their decisions in a timely manner and getting TJ their lists of students so that they can create schedules and make hiring decisions without extreme last-minute stress.

The fact that they are under extreme last minute stress is because they implemented a racist admissions policy and then didn't have a backup plan as suggested by the judge when this went to trial. It is not the parents' duty to be considerate of the predicament that the board placed themselves in. To now turn around and threaten a certain action against the interest of the parents is blackmail, pure and simple.

Yeah - for the purposes of this discussion you have to treat TJ (and therefore, its students) and FCPS/School Board/TJ Admissions Office as two separate entities.

TJ the school didn't do anything with respect to this process apart from send one letter home to parents. From the perspective of the school and its students, the process needs to be complete by the prescribed date of April 29th and ideally much earlier.

The fact that you view a lottery as a "threat" is interesting to say the least. But just for the sake of argument, which would you choose? A straight lottery or the Fall 2020 process - if those are your only two options?

TJ the school when you consider the principal did A LOT more than just send a single letter home. She fought as hard as anyone to change the policy. Which is important if you don’t like the verdict and you are going to scream we can’t plan and accept students for next year if we have to change the admissions….they were warned. She also tried to change the name Colonial.

Precisely how did she “fight to change the policy”?

DP, but I watched many school board meetings last year. Mainly my interest was in the plans to return to in person school. However, having a TJ student, I also watched portions the meeting where they discussed TJs admission policy changes. The TJ principal was fully supportive of the changes when she presented and said the school would be fully welcoming the URMs who attended. I thought it was ironic because my freshman at the time was told by a teacher DC didn’t belong. There was nothing welcoming about TJ at all and my DC was lost as a new student. No teacher, asst principal, or principal reached out. I can only imagine what a URM would go through at TJ with the change in admissions.

1) It's not like she had a choice of whether or not to be supportive of the changes. It's malpractice as an educator to put yourself in a position where you're greeting students having been vocally dismissive of the process that got them there.

2) She said the school would be fully welcoming all of the students in the incoming class and did not single out the students who would be coming from underrepresented groups.

3) The administration has been quite purposeful in the past couple of years about addressing the environment. An enormous help was the departure of the previous Director of Student Services, who has essentially become the #2 at the school and was pretty vocal about his "sink-or-swim" mentality. I have no difficulty believing that, under his watch, your student didn't get the support they needed and deserved and that's frankly a disgrace.

2) She said the school would be fully welcoming all of the students in the incoming class and did not single out the students who would be coming from underrepresented groups.

This is EXACTLY my gripe with the principal. She is ALL talk and lip service. She says the school will be welcoming, but then let’s the school continue to have a culture of sink or swim. She does NOTHING to change it. Frankly the buck should stop with her. She’s the captain of the ship and needs to take accountability for how her school operates instead of passing the buck to those beneath her.

Right or wrong, the school has always had a swim or sink culture. Why would you expect her to change that for the students of class 2025? Are you saying they are less qualified and need more hand-holding? The school can be welcoming in terms of not singling out students that might have benefited from the new admission policy, but it certainly should not change its rigor to accommodate some students. In years past, struggling students either work harder and try to keep up or go back to their base schools. The same should apply to the class of 2025 and beyond.

LWNJs have very low expectations for black or Hispanic students. Worst form of racism against black and Hispanic students that just perpetuates the cycle of low expectation and low achievement. Black and Hispanic students need appropriate and good teachers, adequate resources, good equipment, good labs, appropriate and continuous tutoring, coaching etc. etc. I am sure many TJ parents will volunteer to tutor or coach if given the opportunity.

Many TJ students volunteer and tutor some of these students but that is not enough. FCPS has to properly educate these students from grade 1 all the way to grade 8. Very rigorous and intensive educational program that would be more rigorous than watered down useless AAP. They will be adequately prepared to enter TJ only if they have received properly rigorous education for those years. My son for example was reading on his own for fun in elementary school my old law school casebooks and writings by Jung, Aristotle, Euclid, Descartes and Kant etc. It is not important that he understands the content but just exposing him to different ideas early on is important.

Wow. Beyond tone deaf.

Yea, why do the hard work of educating the kids when you can just look at them and be able to tell that they "deserve" it. Whatever *it* is.

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Anonymous wrote:Lottery it is.

Blackmailing it is.

There are only so many options at this point. No need for hysterics.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for the class of 2026. More incompetence by FCPS and school board impacting the kids. Like the judge said, they knew this was a possibility and coming. FCPS should have had a plan B.

The 4th circuit is plan B.

lol. So true. No one at FCPS imagined a loss in this case.

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