TJ admissions decision - repercussions for Class of 2026

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Anonymous wrote:No, they'll just use what they have without the proxy discrimination of the 1.5% and experience factors.


Why would FCPS do that given their stated goals? Lotteries are legal.


The lottery was already shot down. The school board knows they can't use it. That would cause a riot in the streets.


Where in the order does the judge say that a lottery is illegal?


I think lottery is the most likely outcome at this point.


I am seriously curious what would happen if FCPS came out and said "it's either the fall 2020 process or a lottery among the 2500 qualified applicants with no weighting whatsoever".

If I were the Coalition4TJ, I would seriously consider dropping the suit. Their kids have a FAR better chance of getting in under the currently enjoined process than a lottery. And lotteries are expressly legal.


Yea, blackmailing parents is such a good way for elected officials to behave.


It's not about blackmail. It's about getting students their decisions in a timely manner and getting TJ their lists of students so that they can create schedules and make hiring decisions without extreme last-minute stress.


The fact that they are under extreme last minute stress is because they implemented a racist admissions policy and then didn't have a backup plan as suggested by the judge when this went to trial. It is not the parents' duty to be considerate of the predicament that the board placed themselves in. To now turn around and threaten a certain action against the interest of the parents is blackmail, pure and simple.


Yeah - for the purposes of this discussion you have to treat TJ (and therefore, its students) and FCPS/School Board/TJ Admissions Office as two separate entities.

TJ the school didn't do anything with respect to this process apart from send one letter home to parents. From the perspective of the school and its students, the process needs to be complete by the prescribed date of April 29th and ideally much earlier.

The fact that you view a lottery as a "threat" is interesting to say the least. But just for the sake of argument, which would you choose? A straight lottery or the Fall 2020 process - if those are your only two options?



TJ the school when you consider the principal did A LOT more than just send a single letter home. She fought as hard as anyone to change the policy. Which is important if you don’t like the verdict and you are going to scream we can’t plan and accept students for next year if we have to change the admissions….they were warned. She also tried to change the name Colonial.


Precisely how did she “fight to change the policy”?


DP, but I watched many school board meetings last year. Mainly my interest was in the plans to return to in person school. However, having a TJ student, I also watched portions the meeting where they discussed TJs admission policy changes. The TJ principal was fully supportive of the changes when she presented and said the school would be fully welcoming the URMs who attended. I thought it was ironic because my freshman at the time was told by a teacher DC didn’t belong. There was nothing welcoming about TJ at all and my DC was lost as a new student. No teacher, asst principal, or principal reached out. I can only imagine what a URM would go through at TJ with the change in admissions.


1) It's not like she had a choice of whether or not to be supportive of the changes. It's malpractice as an educator to put yourself in a position where you're greeting students having been vocally dismissive of the process that got them there.

2) She said the school would be fully welcoming all of the students in the incoming class and did not single out the students who would be coming from underrepresented groups.

3) The administration has been quite purposeful in the past couple of years about addressing the environment. An enormous help was the departure of the previous Director of Student Services, who has essentially become the #2 at the school and was pretty vocal about his "sink-or-swim" mentality. I have no difficulty believing that, under his watch, your student didn't get the support they needed and deserved and that's frankly a disgrace.


2) She said the school would be fully welcoming all of the students in the incoming class and did not single out the students who would be coming from underrepresented groups.

This is EXACTLY my gripe with the principal. She is ALL talk and lip service. She says the school will be welcoming, but then let’s the school continue to have a culture of sink or swim. She does NOTHING to change it. Frankly the buck should stop with her. She’s the captain of the ship and needs to take accountability for how her school operates instead of passing the buck to those beneath her.


I guess she is hated by both sides now. That is what happens if you put your finger into the wind every time anything major needs to be done and lacks vision, principle and backbone. She should resign in disgrace along with other idiots on the school board.
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Anonymous wrote:No, they'll just use what they have without the proxy discrimination of the 1.5% and experience factors.


Why would FCPS do that given their stated goals? Lotteries are legal.


The lottery was already shot down. The school board knows they can't use it. That would cause a riot in the streets.


Where in the order does the judge say that a lottery is illegal?


I think lottery is the most likely outcome at this point.


I am seriously curious what would happen if FCPS came out and said "it's either the fall 2020 process or a lottery among the 2500 qualified applicants with no weighting whatsoever".

If I were the Coalition4TJ, I would seriously consider dropping the suit. Their kids have a FAR better chance of getting in under the currently enjoined process than a lottery. And lotteries are expressly legal.


Yea, blackmailing parents is such a good way for elected officials to behave.


It's not about blackmail. It's about getting students their decisions in a timely manner and getting TJ their lists of students so that they can create schedules and make hiring decisions without extreme last-minute stress.


The fact that they are under extreme last minute stress is because they implemented a racist admissions policy and then didn't have a backup plan as suggested by the judge when this went to trial. It is not the parents' duty to be considerate of the predicament that the board placed themselves in. To now turn around and threaten a certain action against the interest of the parents is blackmail, pure and simple.


Yeah - for the purposes of this discussion you have to treat TJ (and therefore, its students) and FCPS/School Board/TJ Admissions Office as two separate entities.

TJ the school didn't do anything with respect to this process apart from send one letter home to parents. From the perspective of the school and its students, the process needs to be complete by the prescribed date of April 29th and ideally much earlier.

The fact that you view a lottery as a "threat" is interesting to say the least. But just for the sake of argument, which would you choose? A straight lottery or the Fall 2020 process - if those are your only two options?



TJ the school when you consider the principal did A LOT more than just send a single letter home. She fought as hard as anyone to change the policy. Which is important if you don’t like the verdict and you are going to scream we can’t plan and accept students for next year if we have to change the admissions….they were warned. She also tried to change the name Colonial.


She also attacked Asian students on several occasions.


Precisely how did she attack Asian students? On both of these, be specific.


Crickets.

Funny how liars can't explain anything precisely.


Right? There was one TJ principal who attacked Asian students, and that was Elizabeth Lodal (mid 2000s), who suggested that cheating incidents at the school were on the rise thanks to the pressure that Asian students felt from their parents.

That was disgusting and her eventual resignation from the post was completely justified.

The current principal has made reference to the hyper-competitive environment at the school, and some people will choose to refer to that as an "anti-Asian" sentiment, but all that tells you is how strongly they believe TJ to be an "Asian community". Which it is not. The problematic atmosphere at the school resulted not from its racial composition, but from its admissions process which created extremely narrow pathways to admission and resulted in too many students who wanted to achieve the same goals in the same ways.


Current principal was mostly pro blacks and anti asian in her attitude, speech and actions through out her tenure. Ask any non- black TJ students.


Citation?


Nothing but more lies.
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Any word on stay order?
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It will almost certainly be a couple of weeks at least before we hear anything.
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It will almost certainly be a couple of weeks at least before we hear anything.


Wow. What?? This year’s kids are doomed.
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I feel for the class of 2026. More incompetence by FCPS and school board impacting the kids. Like the judge said, they knew this was a possibility and coming. FCPS should have had a plan B.
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Anonymous wrote:I feel for the class of 2026. More incompetence by FCPS and school board impacting the kids. Like the judge said, they knew this was a possibility and coming. FCPS should have had a plan B.


Asking a school system to run two simultaneous admissions processes is ridiculous and infeasible. Judges do ask for ridiculous infeasible things, unfortunately, but that doesn't mean that it happens.
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Anonymous wrote:I feel for the class of 2026. More incompetence by FCPS and school board impacting the kids. Like the judge said, they knew this was a possibility and coming. FCPS should have had a plan B.


No one forced the group that still had 54% representation in the Class of 2025 to engage in further opportunity hoarding. No one forced them to put forth a woman who has had daughters selected by both the old AND the new admissions process as a complainant whose third child was likely to be harmed by the new process.
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Anonymous wrote:I feel for the class of 2026. More incompetence by FCPS and school board impacting the kids. Like the judge said, they knew this was a possibility and coming. FCPS should have had a plan B.


The 4th circuit is plan B.
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Anonymous wrote:I feel for the class of 2026. More incompetence by FCPS and school board impacting the kids. Like the judge said, they knew this was a possibility and coming. FCPS should have had a plan B.


The 4th circuit is plan B.


lol. So true. No one at FCPS imagined a loss in this case.
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Anonymous wrote:I feel for the class of 2026. More incompetence by FCPS and school board impacting the kids. Like the judge said, they knew this was a possibility and coming. FCPS should have had a plan B.


The 4th circuit is plan B.


lol. So true. No one at FCPS imagined a loss in this case.


Or cares. Maybe plan C is closing the school or turning it into an academy. I can't imagine there is much stomach for actually letting the TJ coalition win.
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Anonymous wrote:I feel for the class of 2026. More incompetence by FCPS and school board impacting the kids. Like the judge said, they knew this was a possibility and coming. FCPS should have had a plan B.


The 4th circuit is plan B.


lol. So true. No one at FCPS imagined a loss in this case.


Or cares. Maybe plan C is closing the school or turning it into an academy. I can't imagine there is much stomach for actually letting the TJ coalition win.


You know it is a governor's school, right?
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Anonymous wrote:I feel for the class of 2026. More incompetence by FCPS and school board impacting the kids. Like the judge said, they knew this was a possibility and coming. FCPS should have had a plan B.


The 4th circuit is plan B.


lol. So true. No one at FCPS imagined a loss in this case.


Or cares. Maybe plan C is closing the school or turning it into an academy. I can't imagine there is much stomach for actually letting the TJ coalition win.


Nasty people you are. Truth wins in the end.
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Anonymous wrote:I feel for the class of 2026. More incompetence by FCPS and school board impacting the kids. Like the judge said, they knew this was a possibility and coming. FCPS should have had a plan B.


Asking a school system to run two simultaneous admissions processes is ridiculous and infeasible. Judges do ask for ridiculous infeasible things, unfortunately, but that doesn't mean that it happens.


It's not ridiculous and it is definitely feasible.
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Anonymous wrote:I feel for the class of 2026. More incompetence by FCPS and school board impacting the kids. Like the judge said, they knew this was a possibility and coming. FCPS should have had a plan B.


No one forced the group that still had 54% representation in the Class of 2025 to engage in further opportunity hoarding. No one forced them to put forth a woman who has had daughters selected by both the old AND the new admissions process as a complainant whose third child was likely to be harmed by the new process.


You sound like a crazy, insane lunatic. In other word. LWNJ!
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