Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the assistant is male. In several of those car photos, it looks like men's sneakers. As for the pink pants, reminds me of something like these:
http://www.vineyardvines.com/mens-pants/saltwash-twill-island-pants/1P0168.html?start=3&cgid=Mens-Pants&dwvar_1P0168_color=628

Agreed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the assistant is male. In several of those car photos, it looks like men's sneakers. As for the pink pants, reminds me of something like these:
http://www.vineyardvines.com/mens-pants/saltwash-twill-island-pants/1P0168.html?start=3&cgid=Mens-Pants&dwvar_1P0168_color=628

Agreed.

Can you post links to the assistant's pictures?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bump:

If the Steele Detective Agency is ever hiring, sign me up. Jeff Steele's posts are really calm, reasonable, and convincing. A few thoughts:

1. I won't speak to whether DW's companions should or will be charged with something at this point. However, on the issue of whether DW could plausibly make the case to that he was "on his way to turn himself in," a thought: DW had asked one or more of the women sharing the car with him to use the cash to buy money orders AFTER he returned to DC. To me, this would suggest (and it's a fair inference to argue to a jury) that a man who is trying to convert/hide his ill-gotten cash after returning to DC is not one who is planning in the near future to turn himself in.

2. Why the money orders? I am assuming it was to try to get rid of cash that DW feared could tie him even more closely to the killing. He may have feared that the serial numbers had been noted by the bank, for example.

3. On the assistant -- this responds to the person who thinks perhaps s/he was a "Mastermind." There's no evidence yet tying him to DW, but there IS evidence tying DW to the S family through former employment. Moreover, the assistant contacted the police about the cash payment, it appears from documents -- s/he came forward. Finally, I can see a couple possibilities for the factual errors in the accounts from the assistant to the police:

a. The assistant deliberately lied. NOT because s/he was connected with the murder, but because s/he was (i) embarrassed and appalled about not realizing that extortion was going on, and changing the timeline to Thursday morning would raise fewer questions about whether the assistant could have changed the outcome by contacting the authorities. Similarly, I could imagine that the assistant deliberately told a false story because of being very embarrassed about texting a photo of the cash to a friend -- there s/he was having fun with the wads of cash and not thinking about potentially bad scenarios.

b. The assistant did NOT intentionally mislead police, but was shocked and upset and mixed up details. The police have said that Mr. S. did call the assistant multiple times on Thursday morning, and perhaps the assistant was focusing on those phone calls with final instructions rather than the initial text.

I agree with all of your points. +1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the assistant is male. In several of those car photos, it looks like men's sneakers. As for the pink pants, reminds me of something like these:
http://www.vineyardvines.com/mens-pants/saltwash-twill-island-pants/1P0168.html?start=3&cgid=Mens-Pants&dwvar_1P0168_color=628

Agreed.

Can you post links to the assistant's pictures?

Look back one to two pages and you will find it. They are in a Fox5 article.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Bump:

1. I won't speak to whether DW's companions should or will be charged with something at this point. However, on the issue of whether DW could plausibly make the case to that he was "on his way to turn himself in," a thought: DW had asked one or more of the women sharing the car with him to use the cash to buy money orders AFTER he returned to DC. To me, this would suggest (and it's a fair inference to argue to a jury) that a man who is trying to convert/hide his ill-gotten cash after returning to DC is not one who is planning in the near future to turn himself in.

I agree with your other points, but I think this one still might be an open question. While it seems most likely the money orders were purchased after Wint returned to DC, I am not sure we know that is the case yet. I do agree that if that is the case, it is inconsistent with a desire for Wint to turn himself in.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bump:

1. I won't speak to whether DW's companions should or will be charged with something at this point. However, on the issue of whether DW could plausibly make the case to that he was "on his way to turn himself in," a thought: DW had asked one or more of the women sharing the car with him to use the cash to buy money orders AFTER he returned to DC. To me, this would suggest (and it's a fair inference to argue to a jury) that a man who is trying to convert/hide his ill-gotten cash after returning to DC is not one who is planning in the near future to turn himself in.

I agree with your other points, but I think this one still might be an open question. While it seems most likely the money orders were purchased after Wint returned to DC, I am not sure we know that is the case yet. I do agree that if that is the case, it is inconsistent with a desire for Wint to turn himself in.

Fair enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know why they think it started at 6 pm on Wednesday?

no, and I think that is an important fact given that the other maid gave an interview in which she said that Vera had asked to work at the house on Wednesday so she could leave at 3.

I am confused by the 3pm/6pm discrepancy. I guess an explanation might be that AS planning to go out that night was true and needed VF to stay with Phillip until SS got home.

We may never know since the only people who do are AS and VF and PS. But wouldn't VF have called her DH or NG to say she'd be home/leaving later if she knew she now had to stay until 6pm and knew that without being under duress?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know why they think it started at 6 pm on Wednesday?

no, and I think that is an important fact given that the other maid gave an interview in which she said that Vera had asked to work at the house on Wednesday so she could leave at 3.

I am confused by the 3pm/6pm discrepancy. I guess an explanation might be that AS planning to go out that night was true and needed VF to stay with Phillip until SS got home.

We may never know since the only people who do are AS and VF and PS. But wouldn't VF have called her DH or NG to say she'd be home/leaving later if she knew she now had to stay until 6pm and knew that without being under duress?

Someone pointed it out already: The charging doc says 6 because it only pertains to the father.

[Anonymous]

In these arrest photos, it is super-hard to see shoulder-length dredlocks on Wint.

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Daron-Wint-Mansion-Murder-DC-Charging-Documents-304744581.html

[Anonymous]

Any theories on how any accomplices may have left the scene? Doubt they would have taken public transportation given that they'd be fairly memorable -- smelling of gasoline, perhaps bloodied.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will someone please post a link with the voicemail? Can't seem to find it in the thread. Thanks

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mansion-fire-mysterious-voicemail-latest-clue-dc-blaze/story?id=31121535

[Anonymous]

Anonymous



Any theories on how any accomplices may have left the scene? Doubt they would have taken public transportation given that they'd be fairly memorable -- smelling of gasoline, perhaps bloodied.

Why would they smell off gasoline? They are not going to pour it on themselves and they could wash the blood off. They could have rode out in the stolen porche or walked to the metro.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am depressed over this case. I truly am heartbroken. I can't sleep at night. I wish I didn't listen to the Voicemail. The little boys voice rings in my ear every second.

Again- see above. This is not normal.

I don't like to be snarky or rude on DCUM, but I can't resist this: is torturing and then killing (presumably by burning alive) a married couple, a housekeeper, and a 10 year old boy 'normal'?

Many people react very viscerally to reading about tragedies because it triggers something for them. For others, the power of imagination is so strong that they literally can imagine this happening to themselves and their families and thus react in this way. And sometimes, people simply cry and mourn -- even those whom they never knew -- because the sheer tragedy of a story has that power.

Judgment is the last thing anyone who is reading or thinking about this thread needs. Perhaps some of the posters who've shared their deep despair need assistance with grieving, and perhaps those saying 'this isn't normal' or 'this is extreme' are intending to be helpful -- but it's not coming across that way....

+1

Agree. This is a tragedy that I can't get out of my head. It just makes you realize that security, safe neighborhood, good schools, nice neighbors, money, etc...can't always protect you from the unthinkable.

[Anonymous]

Are there any pictures of the assistant? I just need to know if it is a "she" and AA with her hair cut short "like you';d normally see on AA males. That would explain a lot. I don't know many AA male that would fit the MO of the people were describing wearing pink pants, especially like the ones PP posted. The Porsche pic looks like velour track pants to me.

[Anonymous]

Why would an accomplice take public transportation if there was a porsche? Seems very unlikely to me. If there was an accomplice, s/he almost certainly had a ride or a car 2 blocks away.

Now, why would Wint take the porsche if an accomplice had some alternative (non-public transportation) way of leaving? porsche was simply a liability.