Anonymous wrote:I actually moved to this area because I love the mix of apartments and single family homes. Can't we respect both types of housing? The ANC is a mess though. They blindly follow the Trumper, don't understand any nuance, and think they're changing the world. They're not. How are those bike lanes working out? You can pass resolutions but you need to sweat the details.
Yes, this. Public input is increasingly pointless as they have no intention of considering any points of view or suggestions that vary from their predetermined position. They only allow commentary because permitting questions/comments is required, but they are just biding their time until it's over so they can get on with the vote. The one commissioner who doesn't just blindly fall into line is spitting into the wind, but I appreciate that he keeps advocating for deeper consideration of all perspectives.
Might want to also consider that ANC commissioners, like Council members, get voted into office on by locals, not commuters. Angry commuters wanting 8 lane roads into DC are never going to come ahead of locals. You don't pay taxes, you don't vote here.
ANC commissioners are not like Council members. That you continue to pretend that they are is abonimable.
There is no 8 lane road plan and the 4 lane plus 2 bike lane plan is not popular among locals. Locals are the ones that don't want it. Locals are the ones complaining. Locals are the ones opposing this waste of money.
Actually, the plan for Connecticut Avenue is wildly popular by locals. The voting for Frumin and ANC Commissioners confirm that. Just because there are 2,000 (maybe) "locals" who oppose it doesn't cover the 80,000 other people who live on the corridor who support it or are neutral.
Please get out of your bubble.
NP here. This is not a valid conclusion. The fact that Krucoff, a Republican, was able to gain as much ground into an area that is overwhelmingly pro Democrat speaks to how unpopular it was. Fruman should have received 90 percent plus support. Instead, he had the weakest performance of any Council seat winner. Fruman received 76.2 percent of the vote, whereas the Ward 1 winner received 82.3 percent and the Ward 5 winner received 94.6 percent. https://www.washingtonpost.com/election-results/2022/district-of-columbia/. The same voters in ward 3 voted 89.1 percent for Biden in 2020. A large number of people switched parties to vote for Krucoff and that's a message that should not be lost. These are people who normally are Democrats and they crossed party lines because they were so upset about this. Fruman had the weakest support of any of the winners.
1) there has never been a time that a democrat did better than 72% in Ward 3. Frumin was on par with any of Cheh or Patterson's races
2) in the precincts along CT Ave, Frumin outperformed Krucoff as compared to precincts in other parts of the Ward. In other words, his pro bike lane position drew more support along CT Ave than other areas of the ward where he simply beat the republican, so no you are flat out wrong. Look it up, the facts don't lie.
I support the bike lanes (I commute by bike on Connecticut from upper NW about 1/3 of the time I'm in the office), but it's a little silly to pretend that the election was a referendum on that plan.
We don't have exit polling, and we don't know what motivated voters. Could also be that the demographics of people in the apartment buildings -- VERY broadly, younger and more diverse racially than the SFH neighborhoods -- make it likelier for a generic Democrat to do better than a generic Republican regardless of any policy positions.
It's true that the people who supported the bike lanes won their elections, but I think that's as far as we're able to go in using the election results as a key for what voters think precinct by precinct about the lanes.
It this were the case, then Frumin would have outpolled the average in areas with heavy student concentrations like Glover Park and Burleith. Instead, in those areas, his ratio of votes was similar to most other parts of the Ward. But it is specifically the Conn Ave corridor where he significantly outpolled Krucoff, and Krucoff lives in Cleveland Park, so that should have been his home base to do even better than the average across the Ward.
The only thing that accounts for the disparity is the heavy pro-bike lane turnout.
Ummmm. Van Ness is home to multiple UDC student housing buildings. So, using your logic, this actually explains the results. So it wasn’t bike lanes after all. Thanks for enlightening us.
Anonymous wrote:I actually moved to this area because I love the mix of apartments and single family homes. Can't we respect both types of housing? The ANC is a mess though. They blindly follow the Trumper, don't understand any nuance, and think they're changing the world. They're not. How are those bike lanes working out? You can pass resolutions but you need to sweat the details.
Yes, this. Public input is increasingly pointless as they have no intention of considering any points of view or suggestions that vary from their predetermined position. They only allow commentary because permitting questions/comments is required, but they are just biding their time until it's over so they can get on with the vote. The one commissioner who doesn't just blindly fall into line is spitting into the wind, but I appreciate that he keeps advocating for deeper consideration of all perspectives.
Might want to also consider that ANC commissioners, like Council members, get voted into office on by locals, not commuters. Angry commuters wanting 8 lane roads into DC are never going to come ahead of locals. You don't pay taxes, you don't vote here.
ANC commissioners are not like Council members. That you continue to pretend that they are is abonimable.
There is no 8 lane road plan and the 4 lane plus 2 bike lane plan is not popular among locals. Locals are the ones that don't want it. Locals are the ones complaining. Locals are the ones opposing this waste of money.
Actually, the plan for Connecticut Avenue is wildly popular by locals. The voting for Frumin and ANC Commissioners confirm that. Just because there are 2,000 (maybe) "locals" who oppose it doesn't cover the 80,000 other people who live on the corridor who support it or are neutral.
Please get out of your bubble.
NP here. This is not a valid conclusion. The fact that Krucoff, a Republican, was able to gain as much ground into an area that is overwhelmingly pro Democrat speaks to how unpopular it was. Fruman should have received 90 percent plus support. Instead, he had the weakest performance of any Council seat winner. Fruman received 76.2 percent of the vote, whereas the Ward 1 winner received 82.3 percent and the Ward 5 winner received 94.6 percent. https://www.washingtonpost.com/election-results/2022/district-of-columbia/. The same voters in ward 3 voted 89.1 percent for Biden in 2020. A large number of people switched parties to vote for Krucoff and that's a message that should not be lost. These are people who normally are Democrats and they crossed party lines because they were so upset about this. Fruman had the weakest support of any of the winners.
1) there has never been a time that a democrat did better than 72% in Ward 3. Frumin was on par with any of Cheh or Patterson's races
2) in the precincts along CT Ave, Frumin outperformed Krucoff as compared to precincts in other parts of the Ward. In other words, his pro bike lane position drew more support along CT Ave than other areas of the ward where he simply beat the republican, so no you are flat out wrong. Look it up, the facts don't lie.
I support the bike lanes (I commute by bike on Connecticut from upper NW about 1/3 of the time I'm in the office), but it's a little silly to pretend that the election was a referendum on that plan.
We don't have exit polling, and we don't know what motivated voters. Could also be that the demographics of people in the apartment buildings -- VERY broadly, younger and more diverse racially than the SFH neighborhoods -- make it likelier for a generic Democrat to do better than a generic Republican regardless of any policy positions.
It's true that the people who supported the bike lanes won their elections, but I think that's as far as we're able to go in using the election results as a key for what voters think precinct by precinct about the lanes.
It this were the case, then Frumin would have outpolled the average in areas with heavy student concentrations like Glover Park and Burleith. Instead, in those areas, his ratio of votes was similar to most other parts of the Ward. But it is specifically the Conn Ave corridor where he significantly outpolled Krucoff, and Krucoff lives in Cleveland Park, so that should have been his home base to do even better than the average across the Ward.
The only thing that accounts for the disparity is the heavy pro-bike lane turnout.
Ummmm. Van Ness is home to multiple UDC student housing buildings. So, using your logic, this actually explains the results. So it wasn’t bike lanes after all. Thanks for enlightening us.
There are no domestic residents of UDC dorms. They aren't voters in the US.
Anonymous wrote:I actually moved to this area because I love the mix of apartments and single family homes. Can't we respect both types of housing? The ANC is a mess though. They blindly follow the Trumper, don't understand any nuance, and think they're changing the world. They're not. How are those bike lanes working out? You can pass resolutions but you need to sweat the details.
Yes, this. Public input is increasingly pointless as they have no intention of considering any points of view or suggestions that vary from their predetermined position. They only allow commentary because permitting questions/comments is required, but they are just biding their time until it's over so they can get on with the vote. The one commissioner who doesn't just blindly fall into line is spitting into the wind, but I appreciate that he keeps advocating for deeper consideration of all perspectives.
Might want to also consider that ANC commissioners, like Council members, get voted into office on by locals, not commuters. Angry commuters wanting 8 lane roads into DC are never going to come ahead of locals. You don't pay taxes, you don't vote here.
ANC commissioners are not like Council members. That you continue to pretend that they are is abonimable.
There is no 8 lane road plan and the 4 lane plus 2 bike lane plan is not popular among locals. Locals are the ones that don't want it. Locals are the ones complaining. Locals are the ones opposing this waste of money.
Actually, the plan for Connecticut Avenue is wildly popular by locals. The voting for Frumin and ANC Commissioners confirm that. Just because there are 2,000 (maybe) "locals" who oppose it doesn't cover the 80,000 other people who live on the corridor who support it or are neutral.
Please get out of your bubble.
NP here. This is not a valid conclusion. The fact that Krucoff, a Republican, was able to gain as much ground into an area that is overwhelmingly pro Democrat speaks to how unpopular it was. Fruman should have received 90 percent plus support. Instead, he had the weakest performance of any Council seat winner. Fruman received 76.2 percent of the vote, whereas the Ward 1 winner received 82.3 percent and the Ward 5 winner received 94.6 percent. https://www.washingtonpost.com/election-results/2022/district-of-columbia/. The same voters in ward 3 voted 89.1 percent for Biden in 2020. A large number of people switched parties to vote for Krucoff and that's a message that should not be lost. These are people who normally are Democrats and they crossed party lines because they were so upset about this. Fruman had the weakest support of any of the winners.
1) there has never been a time that a democrat did better than 72% in Ward 3. Frumin was on par with any of Cheh or Patterson's races
2) in the precincts along CT Ave, Frumin outperformed Krucoff as compared to precincts in other parts of the Ward. In other words, his pro bike lane position drew more support along CT Ave than other areas of the ward where he simply beat the republican, so no you are flat out wrong. Look it up, the facts don't lie.
I support the bike lanes (I commute by bike on Connecticut from upper NW about 1/3 of the time I'm in the office), but it's a little silly to pretend that the election was a referendum on that plan.
We don't have exit polling, and we don't know what motivated voters. Could also be that the demographics of people in the apartment buildings -- VERY broadly, younger and more diverse racially than the SFH neighborhoods -- make it likelier for a generic Democrat to do better than a generic Republican regardless of any policy positions.
It's true that the people who supported the bike lanes won their elections, but I think that's as far as we're able to go in using the election results as a key for what voters think precinct by precinct about the lanes.
It this were the case, then Frumin would have outpolled the average in areas with heavy student concentrations like Glover Park and Burleith. Instead, in those areas, his ratio of votes was similar to most other parts of the Ward. But it is specifically the Conn Ave corridor where he significantly outpolled Krucoff, and Krucoff lives in Cleveland Park, so that should have been his home base to do even better than the average across the Ward.
The only thing that accounts for the disparity is the heavy pro-bike lane turnout.
Ummmm. Van Ness is home to multiple UDC student housing buildings. So, using your logic, this actually explains the results. So it wasn’t bike lanes after all. Thanks for enlightening us.
There are no domestic residents of UDC dorms. They aren't voters in the US.
Anonymous wrote:I actually moved to this area because I love the mix of apartments and single family homes. Can't we respect both types of housing? The ANC is a mess though. They blindly follow the Trumper, don't understand any nuance, and think they're changing the world. They're not. How are those bike lanes working out? You can pass resolutions but you need to sweat the details.
Yes, this. Public input is increasingly pointless as they have no intention of considering any points of view or suggestions that vary from their predetermined position. They only allow commentary because permitting questions/comments is required, but they are just biding their time until it's over so they can get on with the vote. The one commissioner who doesn't just blindly fall into line is spitting into the wind, but I appreciate that he keeps advocating for deeper consideration of all perspectives.
Might want to also consider that ANC commissioners, like Council members, get voted into office on by locals, not commuters. Angry commuters wanting 8 lane roads into DC are never going to come ahead of locals. You don't pay taxes, you don't vote here.
ANC commissioners are not like Council members. That you continue to pretend that they are is abonimable.
There is no 8 lane road plan and the 4 lane plus 2 bike lane plan is not popular among locals. Locals are the ones that don't want it. Locals are the ones complaining. Locals are the ones opposing this waste of money.
Actually, the plan for Connecticut Avenue is wildly popular by locals. The voting for Frumin and ANC Commissioners confirm that. Just because there are 2,000 (maybe) "locals" who oppose it doesn't cover the 80,000 other people who live on the corridor who support it or are neutral.
Please get out of your bubble.
NP here. This is not a valid conclusion. The fact that Krucoff, a Republican, was able to gain as much ground into an area that is overwhelmingly pro Democrat speaks to how unpopular it was. Fruman should have received 90 percent plus support. Instead, he had the weakest performance of any Council seat winner. Fruman received 76.2 percent of the vote, whereas the Ward 1 winner received 82.3 percent and the Ward 5 winner received 94.6 percent. https://www.washingtonpost.com/election-results/2022/district-of-columbia/. The same voters in ward 3 voted 89.1 percent for Biden in 2020. A large number of people switched parties to vote for Krucoff and that's a message that should not be lost. These are people who normally are Democrats and they crossed party lines because they were so upset about this. Fruman had the weakest support of any of the winners.
1) there has never been a time that a democrat did better than 72% in Ward 3. Frumin was on par with any of Cheh or Patterson's races
2) in the precincts along CT Ave, Frumin outperformed Krucoff as compared to precincts in other parts of the Ward. In other words, his pro bike lane position drew more support along CT Ave than other areas of the ward where he simply beat the republican, so no you are flat out wrong. Look it up, the facts don't lie.
I support the bike lanes (I commute by bike on Connecticut from upper NW about 1/3 of the time I'm in the office), but it's a little silly to pretend that the election was a referendum on that plan.
We don't have exit polling, and we don't know what motivated voters. Could also be that the demographics of people in the apartment buildings -- VERY broadly, younger and more diverse racially than the SFH neighborhoods -- make it likelier for a generic Democrat to do better than a generic Republican regardless of any policy positions.
It's true that the people who supported the bike lanes won their elections, but I think that's as far as we're able to go in using the election results as a key for what voters think precinct by precinct about the lanes.
It this were the case, then Frumin would have outpolled the average in areas with heavy student concentrations like Glover Park and Burleith. Instead, in those areas, his ratio of votes was similar to most other parts of the Ward. But it is specifically the Conn Ave corridor where he significantly outpolled Krucoff, and Krucoff lives in Cleveland Park, so that should have been his home base to do even better than the average across the Ward.
The only thing that accounts for the disparity is the heavy pro-bike lane turnout.
Ummmm. Van Ness is home to multiple UDC student housing buildings. So, using your logic, this actually explains the results. So it wasn’t bike lanes after all. Thanks for enlightening us.
There are no domestic residents of UDC dorms. They aren't voters in the US.
Wut?
The students living at UDC dorms are not DC/US residents, they are mostly foriegn nationals who would not be voting in DC elections.
Anonymous wrote:I actually moved to this area because I love the mix of apartments and single family homes. Can't we respect both types of housing? The ANC is a mess though. They blindly follow the Trumper, don't understand any nuance, and think they're changing the world. They're not. How are those bike lanes working out? You can pass resolutions but you need to sweat the details.
Yes, this. Public input is increasingly pointless as they have no intention of considering any points of view or suggestions that vary from their predetermined position. They only allow commentary because permitting questions/comments is required, but they are just biding their time until it's over so they can get on with the vote. The one commissioner who doesn't just blindly fall into line is spitting into the wind, but I appreciate that he keeps advocating for deeper consideration of all perspectives.
Might want to also consider that ANC commissioners, like Council members, get voted into office on by locals, not commuters. Angry commuters wanting 8 lane roads into DC are never going to come ahead of locals. You don't pay taxes, you don't vote here.
ANC commissioners are not like Council members. That you continue to pretend that they are is abonimable.
There is no 8 lane road plan and the 4 lane plus 2 bike lane plan is not popular among locals. Locals are the ones that don't want it. Locals are the ones complaining. Locals are the ones opposing this waste of money.
Actually, the plan for Connecticut Avenue is wildly popular by locals. The voting for Frumin and ANC Commissioners confirm that. Just because there are 2,000 (maybe) "locals" who oppose it doesn't cover the 80,000 other people who live on the corridor who support it or are neutral.
Please get out of your bubble.
NP here. This is not a valid conclusion. The fact that Krucoff, a Republican, was able to gain as much ground into an area that is overwhelmingly pro Democrat speaks to how unpopular it was. Fruman should have received 90 percent plus support. Instead, he had the weakest performance of any Council seat winner. Fruman received 76.2 percent of the vote, whereas the Ward 1 winner received 82.3 percent and the Ward 5 winner received 94.6 percent. https://www.washingtonpost.com/election-results/2022/district-of-columbia/. The same voters in ward 3 voted 89.1 percent for Biden in 2020. A large number of people switched parties to vote for Krucoff and that's a message that should not be lost. These are people who normally are Democrats and they crossed party lines because they were so upset about this. Fruman had the weakest support of any of the winners.
1) there has never been a time that a democrat did better than 72% in Ward 3. Frumin was on par with any of Cheh or Patterson's races
2) in the precincts along CT Ave, Frumin outperformed Krucoff as compared to precincts in other parts of the Ward. In other words, his pro bike lane position drew more support along CT Ave than other areas of the ward where he simply beat the republican, so no you are flat out wrong. Look it up, the facts don't lie.
I support the bike lanes (I commute by bike on Connecticut from upper NW about 1/3 of the time I'm in the office), but it's a little silly to pretend that the election was a referendum on that plan.
We don't have exit polling, and we don't know what motivated voters. Could also be that the demographics of people in the apartment buildings -- VERY broadly, younger and more diverse racially than the SFH neighborhoods -- make it likelier for a generic Democrat to do better than a generic Republican regardless of any policy positions.
It's true that the people who supported the bike lanes won their elections, but I think that's as far as we're able to go in using the election results as a key for what voters think precinct by precinct about the lanes.
It this were the case, then Frumin would have outpolled the average in areas with heavy student concentrations like Glover Park and Burleith. Instead, in those areas, his ratio of votes was similar to most other parts of the Ward. But it is specifically the Conn Ave corridor where he significantly outpolled Krucoff, and Krucoff lives in Cleveland Park, so that should have been his home base to do even better than the average across the Ward.
The only thing that accounts for the disparity is the heavy pro-bike lane turnout.
Ummmm. Van Ness is home to multiple UDC student housing buildings. So, using your logic, this actually explains the results. So it wasn’t bike lanes after all. Thanks for enlightening us.
There are no domestic residents of UDC dorms. They aren't voters in the US.
Wut?
The students living at UDC dorms are not DC/US residents, they are mostly foriegn nationals who would not be voting in DC elections.
^This. There are, however, plenty of people living in apartments & condos along Conn Ave. Like, 10,000 of them!
I am surprised Ward 4 resident Lee Mayer who is leading the charge against the Conn Ave bike lanes associates himself with someone like Mark Rosenman, given Rosenman's history of bullying, specifically the CPCA meeting where Rosenman, during his speech while running for office, challenged an audience member about half his size to "step outside." Absolutely atrocious behavior. I don't trust any survey Rosenman has taken given his publicly shown willingness to intimidate those he disagrees with. I believe then-head of CPCA Ruth Caplan issued an apology at the time. The video was memoryholed by CPCA, indicating how ashamed the group was of Rosenman's actions.
What DC really needs is stepped-up aggressive police enforcement against reckless driving. But MPD is understaffed and seems to want to avoid traffic stops which are considered fraught. How many of these drivers are under the influence of alcohol or drugs? Traffic cameras won't determine that.
What DC really needs is stepped-up aggressive police enforcement against reckless driving. But MPD is understaffed and seems to want to avoid traffic stops which are considered fraught. How many of these drivers are under the influence of alcohol or drugs? Traffic cameras won't determine that.
You can holler about enforcement all day long and half the night if you want, but what DC really needs is street design that reduces or prevents reckless driving. For example, the Connecticut Avenue redesign.
Anonymous wrote:I am surprised Ward 4 resident Lee Mayer who is leading the charge against the Conn Ave bike lanes associates himself with someone like Mark Rosenman, given Rosenman's history of bullying, specifically the CPCA meeting where Rosenman, during his speech while running for office, challenged an audience member about half his size to "step outside." Absolutely atrocious behavior. I don't trust any survey Rosenman has taken given his publicly shown willingness to intimidate those he disagrees with. I believe then-head of CPCA Ruth Caplan issued an apology at the time. The video was memoryholed by CPCA, indicating how ashamed the group was of Rosenman's actions.
Who is Mr Rosenman and what elected political office did he run for?
What DC really needs is stepped-up aggressive police enforcement against reckless driving. But MPD is understaffed and seems to want to avoid traffic stops which are considered fraught. How many of these drivers are under the influence of alcohol or drugs? Traffic cameras won't determine that.
You can holler about enforcement all day long and half the night if you want, but what DC really needs is street design that reduces or prevents reckless driving. For example, the Connecticut Avenue redesign.
Aside from the elimination of the reversible lane (which has already happened), how does the Connecticut Avenue redesign prevent reckless driving?
What DC really needs is stepped-up aggressive police enforcement against reckless driving. But MPD is understaffed and seems to want to avoid traffic stops which are considered fraught. How many of these drivers are under the influence of alcohol or drugs? Traffic cameras won't determine that.
You can holler about enforcement all day long and half the night if you want, but what DC really needs is street design that reduces or prevents reckless driving. For example, the Connecticut Avenue redesign.
Aside from the elimination of the reversible lane (which has already happened), how does the Connecticut Avenue redesign prevent reckless driving?
I'm not interested in engaging with someone who is JAQing off while people die in preventable car crashes.
What DC really needs is stepped-up aggressive police enforcement against reckless driving. But MPD is understaffed and seems to want to avoid traffic stops which are considered fraught. How many of these drivers are under the influence of alcohol or drugs? Traffic cameras won't determine that.
Or, hear me out, they could design the roads so these kinds of crashes could be avoidable.
Anonymous wrote:I am surprised Ward 4 resident Lee Mayer who is leading the charge against the Conn Ave bike lanes associates himself with someone like Mark Rosenman, given Rosenman's history of bullying, specifically the CPCA meeting where Rosenman, during his speech while running for office, challenged an audience member about half his size to "step outside." Absolutely atrocious behavior. I don't trust any survey Rosenman has taken given his publicly shown willingness to intimidate those he disagrees with. I believe then-head of CPCA Ruth Caplan issued an apology at the time. The video was memoryholed by CPCA, indicating how ashamed the group was of Rosenman's actions.
Who is Mr Rosenman and what elected political office did he run for?
According to the article, he builied establishments into signing the anti-change petition.
What DC really needs is stepped-up aggressive police enforcement against reckless driving. But MPD is understaffed and seems to want to avoid traffic stops which are considered fraught. How many of these drivers are under the influence of alcohol or drugs? Traffic cameras won't determine that.
How about you get some facts before you start characterizing this as reckless driving? My boyfriend was there and said the car accident was minor -- fender-bender-- and it looked like the people in the car that rear-ended the other car had a medical emergency, or, possibly a drug overdose, while driving. If it's the latter, I guess you can call that reckless driving, but fewer car lanes wouldn't have made a difference.