Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

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Anonymous wrote:I actually moved to this area because I love the mix of apartments and single family homes. Can't we respect both types of housing? The ANC is a mess though. They blindly follow the Trumper, don't understand any nuance, and think they're changing the world. They're not. How are those bike lanes working out? You can pass resolutions but you need to sweat the details.

Yes, this. Public input is increasingly pointless as they have no intention of considering any points of view or suggestions that vary from their predetermined position. They only allow commentary because permitting questions/comments is required, but they are just biding their time until it's over so they can get on with the vote. The one commissioner who doesn't just blindly fall into line is spitting into the wind, but I appreciate that he keeps advocating for deeper consideration of all perspectives.

Might want to also consider that ANC commissioners, like Council members, get voted into office on by locals, not commuters. Angry commuters wanting 8 lane roads into DC are never going to come ahead of locals. You don't pay taxes, you don't vote here.

ANC commissioners are not like Council members. That you continue to pretend that they are is abonimable.

There is no 8 lane road plan and the 4 lane plus 2 bike lane plan is not popular among locals. Locals are the ones that don't want it. Locals are the ones complaining. Locals are the ones opposing this waste of money.

Actually, the plan for Connecticut Avenue is wildly popular by locals. The voting for Frumin and ANC Commissioners confirm that. Just because there are 2,000 (maybe) "locals" who oppose it doesn't cover the 80,000 other people who live on the corridor who support it or are neutral.

Please get out of your bubble.

ANC races are absolutely meaningless.

The vast majority of people aren't paying attention. There are more people opposed than in favor. Nearly all the businesses are opposed as well. Nevertheless it could be easy to determine thr actual numbers but you're too afraid of what that might show. Just like you're too afraid to get a real count of the number of bicylists using it.

110 business being cajoled and bullied into signing a peteition does not represent "nearly all" by any stretch of the imagination. (and yes, 110 because many who the opposition has claimed to be opposed are actually not.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually moved to this area because I love the mix of apartments and single family homes. Can't we respect both types of housing? The ANC is a mess though. They blindly follow the Trumper, don't understand any nuance, and think they're changing the world. They're not. How are those bike lanes working out? You can pass resolutions but you need to sweat the details.

Yes, this. Public input is increasingly pointless as they have no intention of considering any points of view or suggestions that vary from their predetermined position. They only allow commentary because permitting questions/comments is required, but they are just biding their time until it's over so they can get on with the vote. The one commissioner who doesn't just blindly fall into line is spitting into the wind, but I appreciate that he keeps advocating for deeper consideration of all perspectives.

Might want to also consider that ANC commissioners, like Council members, get voted into office on by locals, not commuters. Angry commuters wanting 8 lane roads into DC are never going to come ahead of locals. You don't pay taxes, you don't vote here.

ANC commissioners are not like Council members. That you continue to pretend that they are is abonimable.

There is no 8 lane road plan and the 4 lane plus 2 bike lane plan is not popular among locals. Locals are the ones that don't want it. Locals are the ones complaining. Locals are the ones opposing this waste of money.

Actually, the plan for Connecticut Avenue is wildly popular by locals. The voting for Frumin and ANC Commissioners confirm that. Just because there are 2,000 (maybe) "locals" who oppose it doesn't cover the 80,000 other people who live on the corridor who support it or are neutral.

Please get out of your bubble.

ANC races are absolutely meaningless.

The vast majority of people aren't paying attention. There are more people opposed than in favor. Nearly all the businesses are opposed as well. Nevertheless it could be easy to determine thr actual numbers but you're too afraid of what that might show. Just like you're too afraid to get a real count of the number of bicylists using it.

Three of the "middle finger five" commissioners were in uncontested races. In the two contested races, the winners won by modest margins.

Well, the opposition couldn't even muster a candidate, and last time I checked, winning is still winning. What political victory does the opposition have? There wasn't a single Democrat candidate for Council who opposed the bike lanes, and in the precincts along Conn Ave, Frumin outpolled the guy who was opposed to the bike lanes by more than he did in other parts of the Ward. The At-Large candidates supported it and the Mayor supports it. There isn't a single canddiate save maybe Rick Nash, who is opposed who won.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually moved to this area because I love the mix of apartments and single family homes. Can't we respect both types of housing? The ANC is a mess though. They blindly follow the Trumper, don't understand any nuance, and think they're changing the world. They're not. How are those bike lanes working out? You can pass resolutions but you need to sweat the details.

Yes, this. Public input is increasingly pointless as they have no intention of considering any points of view or suggestions that vary from their predetermined position. They only allow commentary because permitting questions/comments is required, but they are just biding their time until it's over so they can get on with the vote. The one commissioner who doesn't just blindly fall into line is spitting into the wind, but I appreciate that he keeps advocating for deeper consideration of all perspectives.

Might want to also consider that ANC commissioners, like Council members, get voted into office on by locals, not commuters. Angry commuters wanting 8 lane roads into DC are never going to come ahead of locals. You don't pay taxes, you don't vote here.

ANC commissioners are not like Council members. That you continue to pretend that they are is abonimable.

There is no 8 lane road plan and the 4 lane plus 2 bike lane plan is not popular among locals. Locals are the ones that don't want it. Locals are the ones complaining. Locals are the ones opposing this waste of money.

Actually, the plan for Connecticut Avenue is wildly popular by locals. The voting for Frumin and ANC Commissioners confirm that. Just because there are 2,000 (maybe) "locals" who oppose it doesn't cover the 80,000 other people who live on the corridor who support it or are neutral.

Please get out of your bubble.

NP here. This is not a valid conclusion. The fact that Krucoff, a Republican, was able to gain as much ground into an area that is overwhelmingly pro Democrat speaks to how unpopular it was. Fruman should have received 90 percent plus support. Instead, he had the weakest performance of any Council seat winner. Fruman received 76.2 percent of the vote, whereas the Ward 1 winner received 82.3 percent and the Ward 5 winner received 94.6 percent. https://www.washingtonpost.com/election-results/2022/district-of-columbia/. The same voters in ward 3 voted 89.1 percent for Biden in 2020. A large number of people switched parties to vote for Krucoff and that's a message that should not be lost. These are people who normally are Democrats and they crossed party lines because they were so upset about this. Fruman had the weakest support of any of the winners.

1) there has never been a time that a democrat did better than 72% in Ward 3. Frumin was on par with any of Cheh or Patterson's races
2) in the precincts along CT Ave, Frumin outperformed Krucoff as compared to precincts in other parts of the Ward. In other words, his pro bike lane position drew more support along CT Ave than other areas of the ward where he simply beat the republican, so no you are flat out wrong. Look it up, the facts don't lie.

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Anonymous wrote:The bike lanes are dead. When DDOT says 2028 at the earliest, it means that it's dead. The ANCs can pass all the resolutions they want. There is no money,businesses don't want them on CT, and neither does the mayor. It's over. Let's tackle the more pressing problem, crime.

Yes, the Connecticut Avenue spandex-lycra lanes are dead. In fact, they were gone once DC proposed allowing rush hour parking on the avenue as an "interim" measure. That meant that there would be an even bigger constituency against getting rid of customer parking for bike lanes in the future.

Sigh. For the last time, the lycra crew doesn't use bike lanes because they are confident riders who move at traffic speed. Bike lanes are for bike shares. Bike lanes are for people on regular personal bikes. Bike lanes are for commuters. Bike lanes are for stand on scooters.

Really? I see cyclists cursing out scooter riders in the bike lane nearly every day.

Wait, I thought no one used bike lanes. Which is it?

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Anonymous wrote:I actually moved to this area because I love the mix of apartments and single family homes. Can't we respect both types of housing? The ANC is a mess though. They blindly follow the Trumper, don't understand any nuance, and think they're changing the world. They're not. How are those bike lanes working out? You can pass resolutions but you need to sweat the details.

Yes, this. Public input is increasingly pointless as they have no intention of considering any points of view or suggestions that vary from their predetermined position. They only allow commentary because permitting questions/comments is required, but they are just biding their time until it's over so they can get on with the vote. The one commissioner who doesn't just blindly fall into line is spitting into the wind, but I appreciate that he keeps advocating for deeper consideration of all perspectives.

Might want to also consider that ANC commissioners, like Council members, get voted into office on by locals, not commuters. Angry commuters wanting 8 lane roads into DC are never going to come ahead of locals. You don't pay taxes, you don't vote here.

ANC commissioners are not like Council members. That you continue to pretend that they are is abonimable.

There is no 8 lane road plan and the 4 lane plus 2 bike lane plan is not popular among locals. Locals are the ones that don't want it. Locals are the ones complaining. Locals are the ones opposing this waste of money.

Actually, the plan for Connecticut Avenue is wildly popular by locals. The voting for Frumin and ANC Commissioners confirm that. Just because there are 2,000 (maybe) "locals" who oppose it doesn't cover the 80,000 other people who live on the corridor who support it or are neutral.

Please get out of your bubble.

DP. I'm guessing that people who support the plan, or are neutral, aren't "locals" - by definition. TRUE "locals" oppose the plan, therefore if you support it, you're not a true "local"...

If by "true locals" you mean the boomer single family homeowners, then sure there are a lot of them, but not all of them. Meanwhile most of the younger families and people who live in apartments and condos overwhelming support the plan. Again, you are in a bubble of single family homeowners which in total are 20% of the population of the Avenue but take up 80% of the land and 90% of the parking. MOST of the people live in buildings, walk and bike up and down the Avenue to shop and take the metro or bike to work.

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Anonymous wrote:The bike lanes are dead. When DDOT says 2028 at the earliest, it means that it's dead. The ANCs can pass all the resolutions they want. There is no money,businesses don't want them on CT, and neither does the mayor. It's over. Let's tackle the more pressing problem, crime.

Yes, the Connecticut Avenue spandex-lycra lanes are dead. In fact, they were gone once DC proposed allowing rush hour parking on the avenue as an "interim" measure. That meant that there would be an even bigger constituency against getting rid of customer parking for bike lanes in the future.

Sigh. For the last time, the lycra crew doesn't use bike lanes because they are confident riders who move at traffic speed. Bike lanes are for bike shares. Bike lanes are for people on regular personal bikes. Bike lanes are for commuters. Bike lanes are for stand on scooters.

Really? I see cyclists cursing out scooter riders in the bike lane nearly every day.

Wait, I thought no one used bike lanes. Which is it?

Embrace the cognitive dissonance friend. It will set you free.

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Anonymous wrote:It's actually hilarious that they think all the city's complex problems can be fixed by "passing a resolution." And, all the resolutions are written by one person who isn't even on the ANC.

It is an ANC. All they can do is pass resolutions and write letters. They know that, which is why they do that. They are not the Mayor, they are not a Councilmember.

Some ANC across town just announced he was leaving early and he published a letter on Twitter with all his “accomplishments” that was longer than Washington’s farewell address to the nation. Who the hell do these clowns think they are?

You seem to really dislike these people who are in unpaid volunteer positions quite a lot.

Correct. I don’t like elected officials who attempt to intimidate family and minority owned small businesses who were here before they were and will (hopefully) be here when they most certainly will (hopefully) leave.

Did you run for ANC commissioner and lose? I'm sorry, that must have been disappointing.

It seems to have been a motivating factor for the unsuccessful ANC candidate who now pulls the puppet strings for the ANC lockstep majority.

Can u share a name or initials?

They are referring to a very popular in the anti-bike lane circle conspiracy theory about a local to CP resident who is fairly active in the "smart growth" advocacy. The their conspiracy extended to some super fringe areas like gerrymandering of anc districts and all kinda nutso stuff. So I wouldn't put too much water in it.

Facts can be stubborn things. The chairman of the "Cleveland Park Smart Growth" group lost his race for the ANC ten years ago. Last year he and two others affiliated with Smart Growth got appointed to the Ward 3 redistricting panel and proceeded to totally redraw the ANC districts, particularly in Woodley Park & Cleveland Park, to elect more Smart Growth-friendly candidates. (They also succeeded in splitting Cleveland Park into 2 separate ANCs, although not to the extent that they originally sought). The Smart Growth chair then endorsed a slate of candidates for the ANC and raised funds for some. Now he is an unelected member of a key ANC committee on zoning and development and even writes the resolutions for the commissioners that he helped to elect. Easing restrictions on big development is his principal focus, bike lanes maybe less so. Despite the Smart Growth chair's very Trumpy background (Trump's campaign pollster), the pseudo-progressives on the ANC vote in lockstep for his Libertarian development agenda.

I heard that a tall, heavyset fellow from CP FOIA'd a bunch of local politicians' emails so that he could get his hands on any business that wrote a supporting letter for the bike lanes, and then he proceeded to show up to those business and browbeat them and not leave their business until he got them to sign his petition. And not those business owners are peeved and just want to be left alone about this and they are scared to put anything on paper. There's even an image of of him in action mansplaining to a local business owner about the coming bicycle catastrophe:

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That petition is a joke anyhow. Someone can go and sign under fictious names multiple time, and who knows how many people who aren't DC voters signe3d it.

The media should be ashamed for kowtowng to such Trumpian measures to gain legitimacy.

The fact is, a very tiny minority of people are trying to impose their view on the rest of us. It is no different than being subjugated by Evangelicals on abortion. The anti-safety people are truly scary and gaslighting as dangerously as the GOP.

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Anonymous wrote:The bike lanes are dead. When DDOT says 2028 at the earliest, it means that it's dead. The ANCs can pass all the resolutions they want. There is no money,businesses don't want them on CT, and neither does the mayor. It's over. Let's tackle the more pressing problem, crime.

Yes, the Connecticut Avenue spandex-lycra lanes are dead. In fact, they were gone once DC proposed allowing rush hour parking on the avenue as an "interim" measure. That meant that there would be an even bigger constituency against getting rid of customer parking for bike lanes in the future.

Sigh. For the last time, the lycra crew doesn't use bike lanes because they are confident riders who move at traffic speed. Bike lanes are for bike shares. Bike lanes are for people on regular personal bikes. Bike lanes are for commuters. Bike lanes are for stand on scooters.

Really? I see cyclists cursing out scooter riders in the bike lane nearly every day.

Wait, I thought no one used bike lanes. Which is it?

Nobody bikes AND
Bike lanes are empty AND
Bicyclists hit in bike lanes proves bike lanes and bicycles are too dangerous AND
Bicyclists in bike lanes are horrible scofflaws.

Somehow all of these things are simultaneously true. It's the magic of bicycles!

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Anonymous wrote:The bike lanes are dead. When DDOT says 2028 at the earliest, it means that it's dead. The ANCs can pass all the resolutions they want. There is no money,businesses don't want them on CT, and neither does the mayor. It's over. Let's tackle the more pressing problem, crime.

Yes, the Connecticut Avenue spandex-lycra lanes are dead. In fact, they were gone once DC proposed allowing rush hour parking on the avenue as an "interim" measure. That meant that there would be an even bigger constituency against getting rid of customer parking for bike lanes in the future.

Sigh. For the last time, the lycra crew doesn't use bike lanes because they are confident riders who move at traffic speed. Bike lanes are for bike shares. Bike lanes are for people on regular personal bikes. Bike lanes are for commuters. Bike lanes are for stand on scooters.

Really? I see cyclists cursing out scooter riders in the bike lane nearly every day.

Wait, I thought no one used bike lanes. Which is it?

I'm not one of the ones who ever said no one uses the bike lanes. I'm saying that the cyclists who do use them get pissy when lowly scooter riders dare ride in them.

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Anonymous wrote:The bike lanes are dead. When DDOT says 2028 at the earliest, it means that it's dead. The ANCs can pass all the resolutions they want. There is no money,businesses don't want them on CT, and neither does the mayor. It's over. Let's tackle the more pressing problem, crime.

Yes, the Connecticut Avenue spandex-lycra lanes are dead. In fact, they were gone once DC proposed allowing rush hour parking on the avenue as an "interim" measure. That meant that there would be an even bigger constituency against getting rid of customer parking for bike lanes in the future.

Sigh. For the last time, the lycra crew doesn't use bike lanes because they are confident riders who move at traffic speed. Bike lanes are for bike shares. Bike lanes are for people on regular personal bikes. Bike lanes are for commuters. Bike lanes are for stand on scooters.

Really? I see cyclists cursing out scooter riders in the bike lane nearly every day.

Wait, I thought no one used bike lanes. Which is it?

Nobody bikes AND
Bike lanes are empty AND
Bicyclists hit in bike lanes proves bike lanes and bicycles are too dangerous AND
Bicyclists in bike lanes are horrible scofflaws.

Somehow all of these things are simultaneously true. It's the magic of bicycles!

NP... The one and only truth behind it is that car commuters hate bicyclists and will make up any manner of narratives to attack them, without any regard to facts, logic or consistency.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually moved to this area because I love the mix of apartments and single family homes. Can't we respect both types of housing? The ANC is a mess though. They blindly follow the Trumper, don't understand any nuance, and think they're changing the world. They're not. How are those bike lanes working out? You can pass resolutions but you need to sweat the details.

Yes, this. Public input is increasingly pointless as they have no intention of considering any points of view or suggestions that vary from their predetermined position. They only allow commentary because permitting questions/comments is required, but they are just biding their time until it's over so they can get on with the vote. The one commissioner who doesn't just blindly fall into line is spitting into the wind, but I appreciate that he keeps advocating for deeper consideration of all perspectives.

Might want to also consider that ANC commissioners, like Council members, get voted into office on by locals, not commuters. Angry commuters wanting 8 lane roads into DC are never going to come ahead of locals. You don't pay taxes, you don't vote here.

ANC commissioners are not like Council members. That you continue to pretend that they are is abonimable.

There is no 8 lane road plan and the 4 lane plus 2 bike lane plan is not popular among locals. Locals are the ones that don't want it. Locals are the ones complaining. Locals are the ones opposing this waste of money.

Actually, the plan for Connecticut Avenue is wildly popular by locals. The voting for Frumin and ANC Commissioners confirm that. Just because there are 2,000 (maybe) "locals" who oppose it doesn't cover the 80,000 other people who live on the corridor who support it or are neutral.

Please get out of your bubble.

DP. I'm guessing that people who support the plan, or are neutral, aren't "locals" - by definition. TRUE "locals" oppose the plan, therefore if you support it, you're not a true "local"...

If by "true locals" you mean the boomer single family homeowners, then sure there are a lot of them, but not all of them. Meanwhile most of the younger families and people who live in apartments and condos overwhelming support the plan. Again, you are in a bubble of single family homeowners which in total are 20% of the population of the Avenue but take up 80% of the land and 90% of the parking. MOST of the people live in buildings, walk and bike up and down the Avenue to shop and take the metro or bike to work.

Pretty sure that PP was referring to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

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Anonymous wrote:I actually moved to this area because I love the mix of apartments and single family homes. Can't we respect both types of housing? The ANC is a mess though. They blindly follow the Trumper, don't understand any nuance, and think they're changing the world. They're not. How are those bike lanes working out? You can pass resolutions but you need to sweat the details.

Yes, this. Public input is increasingly pointless as they have no intention of considering any points of view or suggestions that vary from their predetermined position. They only allow commentary because permitting questions/comments is required, but they are just biding their time until it's over so they can get on with the vote. The one commissioner who doesn't just blindly fall into line is spitting into the wind, but I appreciate that he keeps advocating for deeper consideration of all perspectives.

Might want to also consider that ANC commissioners, like Council members, get voted into office on by locals, not commuters. Angry commuters wanting 8 lane roads into DC are never going to come ahead of locals. You don't pay taxes, you don't vote here.

ANC commissioners are not like Council members. That you continue to pretend that they are is abonimable.

There is no 8 lane road plan and the 4 lane plus 2 bike lane plan is not popular among locals. Locals are the ones that don't want it. Locals are the ones complaining. Locals are the ones opposing this waste of money.

Actually, the plan for Connecticut Avenue is wildly popular by locals. The voting for Frumin and ANC Commissioners confirm that. Just because there are 2,000 (maybe) "locals" who oppose it doesn't cover the 80,000 other people who live on the corridor who support it or are neutral.

Please get out of your bubble.

NP here. This is not a valid conclusion. The fact that Krucoff, a Republican, was able to gain as much ground into an area that is overwhelmingly pro Democrat speaks to how unpopular it was. Fruman should have received 90 percent plus support. Instead, he had the weakest performance of any Council seat winner. Fruman received 76.2 percent of the vote, whereas the Ward 1 winner received 82.3 percent and the Ward 5 winner received 94.6 percent. https://www.washingtonpost.com/election-results/2022/district-of-columbia/. The same voters in ward 3 voted 89.1 percent for Biden in 2020. A large number of people switched parties to vote for Krucoff and that's a message that should not be lost. These are people who normally are Democrats and they crossed party lines because they were so upset about this. Fruman had the weakest support of any of the winners.

1) there has never been a time that a democrat did better than 72% in Ward 3. Frumin was on par with any of Cheh or Patterson's races
2) in the precincts along CT Ave, Frumin outperformed Krucoff as compared to precincts in other parts of the Ward. In other words, his pro bike lane position drew more support along CT Ave than other areas of the ward where he simply beat the republican, so no you are flat out wrong. Look it up, the facts don't lie.

I support the bike lanes (I commute by bike on Connecticut from upper NW about 1/3 of the time I'm in the office), but it's a little silly to pretend that the election was a referendum on that plan.

We don't have exit polling, and we don't know what motivated voters. Could also be that the demographics of people in the apartment buildings -- VERY broadly, younger and more diverse racially than the SFH neighborhoods -- make it likelier for a generic Democrat to do better than a generic Republican regardless of any policy positions.

It's true that the people who supported the bike lanes won their elections, but I think that's as far as we're able to go in using the election results as a key for what voters think precinct by precinct about the lanes.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually moved to this area because I love the mix of apartments and single family homes. Can't we respect both types of housing? The ANC is a mess though. They blindly follow the Trumper, don't understand any nuance, and think they're changing the world. They're not. How are those bike lanes working out? You can pass resolutions but you need to sweat the details.

Yes, this. Public input is increasingly pointless as they have no intention of considering any points of view or suggestions that vary from their predetermined position. They only allow commentary because permitting questions/comments is required, but they are just biding their time until it's over so they can get on with the vote. The one commissioner who doesn't just blindly fall into line is spitting into the wind, but I appreciate that he keeps advocating for deeper consideration of all perspectives.

Might want to also consider that ANC commissioners, like Council members, get voted into office on by locals, not commuters. Angry commuters wanting 8 lane roads into DC are never going to come ahead of locals. You don't pay taxes, you don't vote here.

ANC commissioners are not like Council members. That you continue to pretend that they are is abonimable.

There is no 8 lane road plan and the 4 lane plus 2 bike lane plan is not popular among locals. Locals are the ones that don't want it. Locals are the ones complaining. Locals are the ones opposing this waste of money.

Actually, the plan for Connecticut Avenue is wildly popular by locals. The voting for Frumin and ANC Commissioners confirm that. Just because there are 2,000 (maybe) "locals" who oppose it doesn't cover the 80,000 other people who live on the corridor who support it or are neutral.

Please get out of your bubble.

NP here. This is not a valid conclusion. The fact that Krucoff, a Republican, was able to gain as much ground into an area that is overwhelmingly pro Democrat speaks to how unpopular it was. Fruman should have received 90 percent plus support. Instead, he had the weakest performance of any Council seat winner. Fruman received 76.2 percent of the vote, whereas the Ward 1 winner received 82.3 percent and the Ward 5 winner received 94.6 percent. https://www.washingtonpost.com/election-results/2022/district-of-columbia/. The same voters in ward 3 voted 89.1 percent for Biden in 2020. A large number of people switched parties to vote for Krucoff and that's a message that should not be lost. These are people who normally are Democrats and they crossed party lines because they were so upset about this. Fruman had the weakest support of any of the winners.

1) there has never been a time that a democrat did better than 72% in Ward 3. Frumin was on par with any of Cheh or Patterson's races
2) in the precincts along CT Ave, Frumin outperformed Krucoff as compared to precincts in other parts of the Ward. In other words, his pro bike lane position drew more support along CT Ave than other areas of the ward where he simply beat the republican, so no you are flat out wrong. Look it up, the facts don't lie.

I support the bike lanes (I commute by bike on Connecticut from upper NW about 1/3 of the time I'm in the office), but it's a little silly to pretend that the election was a referendum on that plan.

We don't have exit polling, and we don't know what motivated voters. Could also be that the demographics of people in the apartment buildings -- VERY broadly, younger and more diverse racially than the SFH neighborhoods -- make it likelier for a generic Democrat to do better than a generic Republican regardless of any policy positions.

It's true that the people who supported the bike lanes won their elections, but I think that's as far as we're able to go in using the election results as a key for what voters think precinct by precinct about the lanes.

It this were the case, then Frumin would have outpolled the average in areas with heavy student concentrations like Glover Park and Burleith. Instead, in those areas, his ratio of votes was similar to most other parts of the Ward. But it is specifically the Conn Ave corridor where he significantly outpolled Krucoff, and Krucoff lives in Cleveland Park, so that should have been his home base to do even better than the average across the Ward.

The only thing that accounts for the disparity is the heavy pro-bike lane turnout.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually moved to this area because I love the mix of apartments and single family homes. Can't we respect both types of housing? The ANC is a mess though. They blindly follow the Trumper, don't understand any nuance, and think they're changing the world. They're not. How are those bike lanes working out? You can pass resolutions but you need to sweat the details.

Yes, this. Public input is increasingly pointless as they have no intention of considering any points of view or suggestions that vary from their predetermined position. They only allow commentary because permitting questions/comments is required, but they are just biding their time until it's over so they can get on with the vote. The one commissioner who doesn't just blindly fall into line is spitting into the wind, but I appreciate that he keeps advocating for deeper consideration of all perspectives.

Might want to also consider that ANC commissioners, like Council members, get voted into office on by locals, not commuters. Angry commuters wanting 8 lane roads into DC are never going to come ahead of locals. You don't pay taxes, you don't vote here.

ANC commissioners are not like Council members. That you continue to pretend that they are is abonimable.

There is no 8 lane road plan and the 4 lane plus 2 bike lane plan is not popular among locals. Locals are the ones that don't want it. Locals are the ones complaining. Locals are the ones opposing this waste of money.

Actually, the plan for Connecticut Avenue is wildly popular by locals. The voting for Frumin and ANC Commissioners confirm that. Just because there are 2,000 (maybe) "locals" who oppose it doesn't cover the 80,000 other people who live on the corridor who support it or are neutral.

Please get out of your bubble.

NP here. This is not a valid conclusion. The fact that Krucoff, a Republican, was able to gain as much ground into an area that is overwhelmingly pro Democrat speaks to how unpopular it was. Fruman should have received 90 percent plus support. Instead, he had the weakest performance of any Council seat winner. Fruman received 76.2 percent of the vote, whereas the Ward 1 winner received 82.3 percent and the Ward 5 winner received 94.6 percent. https://www.washingtonpost.com/election-results/2022/district-of-columbia/. The same voters in ward 3 voted 89.1 percent for Biden in 2020. A large number of people switched parties to vote for Krucoff and that's a message that should not be lost. These are people who normally are Democrats and they crossed party lines because they were so upset about this. Fruman had the weakest support of any of the winners.

1) there has never been a time that a democrat did better than 72% in Ward 3. Frumin was on par with any of Cheh or Patterson's races
2) in the precincts along CT Ave, Frumin outperformed Krucoff as compared to precincts in other parts of the Ward. In other words, his pro bike lane position drew more support along CT Ave than other areas of the ward where he simply beat the republican, so no you are flat out wrong. Look it up, the facts don't lie.

I support the bike lanes (I commute by bike on Connecticut from upper NW about 1/3 of the time I'm in the office), but it's a little silly to pretend that the election was a referendum on that plan.

We don't have exit polling, and we don't know what motivated voters. Could also be that the demographics of people in the apartment buildings -- VERY broadly, younger and more diverse racially than the SFH neighborhoods -- make it likelier for a generic Democrat to do better than a generic Republican regardless of any policy positions.

It's true that the people who supported the bike lanes won their elections, but I think that's as far as we're able to go in using the election results as a key for what voters think precinct by precinct about the lanes.

It this were the case, then Frumin would have outpolled the average in areas with heavy student concentrations like Glover Park and Burleith. Instead, in those areas, his ratio of votes was similar to most other parts of the Ward. But it is specifically the Conn Ave corridor where he significantly outpolled Krucoff, and Krucoff lives in Cleveland Park, so that should have been his home base to do even better than the average across the Ward.

The only thing that accounts for the disparity is the heavy pro-bike lane turnout.

Again, I agree with you on the bike lanes, but I think relying heavily on an iffy data point is not helping the argument overall.