Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, another critical-injury car crash on Connecticut Avenue in Cleveland Park.
https://twitter.com/RealTimeNews10/status/1654177477470584840

What DC really needs is stepped-up aggressive police enforcement against reckless driving. But MPD is understaffed and seems to want to avoid traffic stops which are considered fraught. How many of these drivers are under the influence of alcohol or drugs? Traffic cameras won't determine that.

How about you get some facts before you start characterizing this as reckless driving? My boyfriend was there and said the car accident was minor -- fender-bender-- and it looked like the people in the car that rear-ended the other car had a medical emergency, or, possibly a drug overdose, while driving. If it's the latter, I guess you can call that reckless driving, but fewer car lanes wouldn't have made a difference.

Three people had a medical emergency?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, another critical-injury car crash on Connecticut Avenue in Cleveland Park.
https://twitter.com/RealTimeNews10/status/1654177477470584840

What DC really needs is stepped-up aggressive police enforcement against reckless driving. But MPD is understaffed and seems to want to avoid traffic stops which are considered fraught. How many of these drivers are under the influence of alcohol or drugs? Traffic cameras won't determine that.

How about you get some facts before you start characterizing this as reckless driving? My boyfriend was there and said the car accident was minor -- fender-bender-- and it looked like the people in the car that rear-ended the other car had a medical emergency, or, possibly a drug overdose, while driving. If it's the latter, I guess you can call that reckless driving, but fewer car lanes wouldn't have made a difference.

Three people had a medical emergency?

3 people appear to have overdosed while driving/riding. Driver passed out and hit another car. Passenger got out of car and then passed out. Secret Service responded because they were nearby. They found a third person in the car. My boyfriend heard them say she had no pulse as they pulled her out. CPR performed on all three. One already reported as a fatality (Twitter picture shows guy with sheet pulled over him) and the other two taken to the hospital.

TLDR: driver and two passengers had medical emergencies

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, another critical-injury car crash on Connecticut Avenue in Cleveland Park.
https://twitter.com/RealTimeNews10/status/1654177477470584840

What DC really needs is stepped-up aggressive police enforcement against reckless driving. But MPD is understaffed and seems to want to avoid traffic stops which are considered fraught. How many of these drivers are under the influence of alcohol or drugs? Traffic cameras won't determine that.

How about you get some facts before you start characterizing this as reckless driving? My boyfriend was there and said the car accident was minor -- fender-bender-- and it looked like the people in the car that rear-ended the other car had a medical emergency, or, possibly a drug overdose, while driving. If it's the latter, I guess you can call that reckless driving, but fewer car lanes wouldn't have made a difference.

Three people had a medical emergency?

3 people appear to have overdosed while driving/riding. Driver passed out and hit another car. Passenger got out of car and then passed out. Secret Service responded because they were nearby. They found a third person in the car. My boyfriend heard them say she had no pulse as they pulled her out. CPR performed on all three. One already reported as a fatality (Twitter picture shows guy with sheet pulled over him) and the other two taken to the hospital.

TLDR: driver and two passengers had medical emergencies

This must be reliable information because an anonymous poster posted that their boyfriend was there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, another critical-injury car crash on Connecticut Avenue in Cleveland Park.
https://twitter.com/RealTimeNews10/status/1654177477470584840

What DC really needs is stepped-up aggressive police enforcement against reckless driving. But MPD is understaffed and seems to want to avoid traffic stops which are considered fraught. How many of these drivers are under the influence of alcohol or drugs? Traffic cameras won't determine that.

You can holler about enforcement all day long and half the night if you want, but what DC really needs is street design that reduces or prevents reckless driving. For example, the Connecticut Avenue redesign.

Sadly this incident again shows that bike lanes on Connecticut Ave is a horrible idea. Whether it is an overdosing driver, a Tesla malfunction, or an elderly person losing control of their car, the “protected” bike lanes would offer cyclists limited to no protection at all. Thank god there were no bike lanes there today or else the death toll could be worse. Any project that induces family cargo bikes to ride on a road l8ke Connecticut Ave is total malpractice and any parent who does so should have their head examined.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, another critical-injury car crash on Connecticut Avenue in Cleveland Park.
https://twitter.com/RealTimeNews10/status/1654177477470584840

What DC really needs is stepped-up aggressive police enforcement against reckless driving. But MPD is understaffed and seems to want to avoid traffic stops which are considered fraught. How many of these drivers are under the influence of alcohol or drugs? Traffic cameras won't determine that.

You can holler about enforcement all day long and half the night if you want, but what DC really needs is street design that reduces or prevents reckless driving. For example, the Connecticut Avenue redesign.

Sadly this incident again shows that bike lanes on Connecticut Ave is a horrible idea. Whether it is an overdosing driver, a Tesla malfunction, or an elderly person losing control of their car, the “protected” bike lanes would offer cyclists limited to no protection at all. Thank god there were no bike lanes there today or else the death toll could be worse. Any project that induces family cargo bikes to ride on a road l8ke Connecticut Ave is total malpractice and any parent who does so should have their head examined.

I agree. Anyone using Connecticut Avenue should be in an M1 Abrams tank. Anything else is total malpractice. Also, there certainly shouldn't be any sidewalks or buildings along Connecticut Avenue. Crash walls only.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am surprised Ward 4 resident Lee Mayer who is leading the charge against the Conn Ave bike lanes associates himself with someone like Mark Rosenman, given Rosenman's history of bullying, specifically the CPCA meeting where Rosenman, during his speech while running for office, challenged an audience member about half his size to "step outside." Absolutely atrocious behavior. I don't trust any survey Rosenman has taken given his publicly shown willingness to intimidate those he disagrees with. I believe then-head of CPCA Ruth Caplan issued an apology at the time. The video was memoryholed by CPCA, indicating how ashamed the group was of Rosenman's actions.

Who is Mr Rosenman and what elected political office did he run for?

He ran for office within the Cleveland Park Citizens Association, which has recently and belatedly amended its name to the Cleveland Park Community Association. After his speech where he challenged a fellow member to "step outside" during his stump speech, he won election.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, another critical-injury car crash on Connecticut Avenue in Cleveland Park.
https://twitter.com/RealTimeNews10/status/1654177477470584840

What DC really needs is stepped-up aggressive police enforcement against reckless driving. But MPD is understaffed and seems to want to avoid traffic stops which are considered fraught. How many of these drivers are under the influence of alcohol or drugs? Traffic cameras won't determine that.

How about you get some facts before you start characterizing this as reckless driving? My boyfriend was there and said the car accident was minor -- fender-bender-- and it looked like the people in the car that rear-ended the other car had a medical emergency, or, possibly a drug overdose, while driving. If it's the latter, I guess you can call that reckless driving, but fewer car lanes wouldn't have made a difference.

Three people had a medical emergency?

3 people appear to have overdosed while driving/riding. Driver passed out and hit another car. Passenger got out of car and then passed out. Secret Service responded because they were nearby. They found a third person in the car. My boyfriend heard them say she had no pulse as they pulled her out. CPR performed on all three. One already reported as a fatality (Twitter picture shows guy with sheet pulled over him) and the other two taken to the hospital.

TLDR: driver and two passengers had medical emergencies

Doesn’t someone generally OD immediately after taking a drug? So does this mean the drugs were purchased somewhere in Cleveland Park?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, another critical-injury car crash on Connecticut Avenue in Cleveland Park.
https://twitter.com/RealTimeNews10/status/1654177477470584840

What DC really needs is stepped-up aggressive police enforcement against reckless driving. But MPD is understaffed and seems to want to avoid traffic stops which are considered fraught. How many of these drivers are under the influence of alcohol or drugs? Traffic cameras won't determine that.

How about you get some facts before you start characterizing this as reckless driving? My boyfriend was there and said the car accident was minor -- fender-bender-- and it looked like the people in the car that rear-ended the other car had a medical emergency, or, possibly a drug overdose, while driving. If it's the latter, I guess you can call that reckless driving, but fewer car lanes wouldn't have made a difference.

Three people had a medical emergency?

3 people appear to have overdosed while driving/riding. Driver passed out and hit another car. Passenger got out of car and then passed out. Secret Service responded because they were nearby. They found a third person in the car. My boyfriend heard them say she had no pulse as they pulled her out. CPR performed on all three. One already reported as a fatality (Twitter picture shows guy with sheet pulled over him) and the other two taken to the hospital.

TLDR: driver and two passengers had medical emergencies

Doesn’t someone generally OD immediately after taking a drug? So does this mean the drugs were purchased somewhere in Cleveland Park?

Why would that matter? I'm going to guess drugs are purchased every day in every single DC neighborhood. In any case, all the reports say they were driving north and had barely crossed into CP when they crashed, so chances are they didn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, another critical-injury car crash on Connecticut Avenue in Cleveland Park.
https://twitter.com/RealTimeNews10/status/1654177477470584840

What DC really needs is stepped-up aggressive police enforcement against reckless driving. But MPD is understaffed and seems to want to avoid traffic stops which are considered fraught. How many of these drivers are under the influence of alcohol or drugs? Traffic cameras won't determine that.

You can holler about enforcement all day long and half the night if you want, but what DC really needs is street design that reduces or prevents reckless driving. For example, the Connecticut Avenue redesign.

Sadly this incident again shows that bike lanes on Connecticut Ave is a horrible idea. Whether it is an overdosing driver, a Tesla malfunction, or an elderly person losing control of their car, the “protected” bike lanes would offer cyclists limited to no protection at all. Thank god there were no bike lanes there today or else the death toll could be worse. Any project that induces family cargo bikes to ride on a road l8ke Connecticut Ave is total malpractice and any parent who does so should have their head examined.

So bike lanes would be LESS safe than no bike lanes, got it.

Personally, as someone who rides my bike on Connecticut fairly often to do errands in Cleveland Park or to get to work downtown from near Tenleytown, I would rather be in a protected bike lane if someone is going to lose control of their car than be just in the regular traffic lane.

(Before you seek to have me arrested for child endangerment, I don't have a cargo bike and my kids ride on the sidewalk when we're on a road like Connecticut.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, another critical-injury car crash on Connecticut Avenue in Cleveland Park.
https://twitter.com/RealTimeNews10/status/1654177477470584840

What DC really needs is stepped-up aggressive police enforcement against reckless driving. But MPD is understaffed and seems to want to avoid traffic stops which are considered fraught. How many of these drivers are under the influence of alcohol or drugs? Traffic cameras won't determine that.

You can holler about enforcement all day long and half the night if you want, but what DC really needs is street design that reduces or prevents reckless driving. For example, the Connecticut Avenue redesign.

Sadly this incident again shows that bike lanes on Connecticut Ave is a horrible idea. Whether it is an overdosing driver, a Tesla malfunction, or an elderly person losing control of their car, the “protected” bike lanes would offer cyclists limited to no protection at all. Thank god there were no bike lanes there today or else the death toll could be worse. Any project that induces family cargo bikes to ride on a road l8ke Connecticut Ave is total malpractice and any parent who does so should have their head examined.

So bike lanes would be LESS safe than no bike lanes, got it.

Personally, as someone who rides my bike on Connecticut fairly often to do errands in Cleveland Park or to get to work downtown from near Tenleytown, I would rather be in a protected bike lane if someone is going to lose control of their car than be just in the regular traffic lane.

(Before you seek to have me arrested for child endangerment, I don't have a cargo bike and my kids ride on the sidewalk when we're on a road like Connecticut.)

Yes, bike lanes that induce the projected 3000 people to ride will be less safe than no bike lanes with the 100 people that currently ride. 3000 people riding daily in bike lanes that have 200+ car cross overs is a recipe for carnage. Then you throw in the occasional drug overdose or Tesla malfunction and you will get many cyclist deaths instead of the current zero cyclist deaths under the current configuration.

[Anonymous]

So let's close down all the roads to all cars and just have buses and bikes. Problem solved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So let's close down all the roads to all cars and just have buses and bikes. Problem solved.

Except for that pesky need for supplies like food or anything any shops might sell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, another critical-injury car crash on Connecticut Avenue in Cleveland Park.
https://twitter.com/RealTimeNews10/status/1654177477470584840

What DC really needs is stepped-up aggressive police enforcement against reckless driving. But MPD is understaffed and seems to want to avoid traffic stops which are considered fraught. How many of these drivers are under the influence of alcohol or drugs? Traffic cameras won't determine that.

You can holler about enforcement all day long and half the night if you want, but what DC really needs is street design that reduces or prevents reckless driving. For example, the Connecticut Avenue redesign.

Sadly this incident again shows that bike lanes on Connecticut Ave is a horrible idea. Whether it is an overdosing driver, a Tesla malfunction, or an elderly person losing control of their car, the “protected” bike lanes would offer cyclists limited to no protection at all. Thank god there were no bike lanes there today or else the death toll could be worse. Any project that induces family cargo bikes to ride on a road l8ke Connecticut Ave is total malpractice and any parent who does so should have their head examined.

So bike lanes would be LESS safe than no bike lanes, got it.

Personally, as someone who rides my bike on Connecticut fairly often to do errands in Cleveland Park or to get to work downtown from near Tenleytown, I would rather be in a protected bike lane if someone is going to lose control of their car than be just in the regular traffic lane.

(Before you seek to have me arrested for child endangerment, I don't have a cargo bike and my kids ride on the sidewalk when we're on a road like Connecticut.)

Yes, bike lanes that induce the projected 3000 people to ride will be less safe than no bike lanes with the 100 people that currently ride. 3000 people riding daily in bike lanes that have 200+ car cross overs is a recipe for carnage. Then you throw in the occasional drug overdose or Tesla malfunction and you will get many cyclist deaths instead of the current zero cyclist deaths under the current configuration.

Ahem. Even the absurd DDOT report only claims that at most 1,000 people, an outlandish 1000+% increase,will be "induced" to bike.

[Anonymous]

Also, the number of drivers is 25-30,000.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile, another critical-injury car crash on Connecticut Avenue in Cleveland Park.
https://twitter.com/RealTimeNews10/status/1654177477470584840

What DC really needs is stepped-up aggressive police enforcement against reckless driving. But MPD is understaffed and seems to want to avoid traffic stops which are considered fraught. How many of these drivers are under the influence of alcohol or drugs? Traffic cameras won't determine that.

You can holler about enforcement all day long and half the night if you want, but what DC really needs is street design that reduces or prevents reckless driving. For example, the Connecticut Avenue redesign.

Sadly this incident again shows that bike lanes on Connecticut Ave is a horrible idea. Whether it is an overdosing driver, a Tesla malfunction, or an elderly person losing control of their car, the “protected” bike lanes would offer cyclists limited to no protection at all. Thank god there were no bike lanes there today or else the death toll could be worse. Any project that induces family cargo bikes to ride on a road l8ke Connecticut Ave is total malpractice and any parent who does so should have their head examined.

So bike lanes would be LESS safe than no bike lanes, got it.

Personally, as someone who rides my bike on Connecticut fairly often to do errands in Cleveland Park or to get to work downtown from near Tenleytown, I would rather be in a protected bike lane if someone is going to lose control of their car than be just in the regular traffic lane.

(Before you seek to have me arrested for child endangerment, I don't have a cargo bike and my kids ride on the sidewalk when we're on a road like Connecticut.)

Yes, bike lanes that induce the projected 3000 people to ride will be less safe than no bike lanes with the 100 people that currently ride. 3000 people riding daily in bike lanes that have 200+ car cross overs is a recipe for carnage. Then you throw in the occasional drug overdose or Tesla malfunction and you will get many cyclist deaths instead of the current zero cyclist deaths under the current configuration.

Weird things to fixate on. Those are pretty rare occurrences.