Gaza war and College Campus Protests

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about all the Palestinians that have American citizenship that died. What about all the journalists that died, what about all the health care and aid workers that died? I don’t recall even once a piece about them and who they were. This is not to leave out the millions of nameless everyday Palestinians that were killed. I truly deeply have a sincere antipathy toward this country.

I did see articles about the aid workers and journalists and it angers me that they were killed. But Hamas must be eliminated for there to be any future for Palestinians. They cannot continue to be led by a group that does not care whether they live or die. Israel needs new leadership, too. But no Israeli leader is going to care more about Palestinians than they care about themselves.

[Anonymous]

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I have a dream.

No more US financing of Zionist genocide

No more dual citizenships with Israel

No more tourists traveling to Israel.

No more flights from New York to Ben Gurion.

Zionists are completely isolated and left to fight among themselves as rats on a sinking ship.

Its Hamas, silly. They want more Palestinian deaths than anyone else. All of your directives will not help Palestinians. You have been brainwashed to not see the enemy who is leading you.

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Anonymous wrote:The long-term solution is that Israel is going to need to occupy Gaza forever to maintain law and order there. If the Palestinians don't like it, let them move to some other Arab nation.

Israel is not going to occupy Gaza. And Palestinians in Gaza have nowhere else to go. A few wealthy Palestinians have been able to buy their way out of Gaza, but no one else is leaving. All regional countries - Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt - will remain closed to Palestinians until the end of time. Given past history, no country is opening their borders to Palestinian refugees ever again.

Israel will stay until all the bodies of the hostages are retrieved. They got six more yesterday, all recently shot at point blank range by their captors. There's nothing left to negotiate with Hamas. They will kill those few hostages that have remained alive. Israel will also continue to seek Sinwar and Hamas targets of opportunity. But they have no intention of staying and governing. Once Sinwar is dead, Israel will move on. There will be new elections in Israel, and Netanyahu and the rest of the idiots will be removed. Life will move on.

A far Gaza, there will be a big wall. And no one will care what happens inside. Gaza chose war and invasion. Total isolation and misery will be their victory.

Here is a reminder from Miko Peled, former IDF Special Forces, on what this violent conflict is all about, “Israel is staging a prolonged assault on the Palestinian people’s very means of existence—destroying homes, hospitals, sanitation infrastructure, food and water sources, schools, and more. To understand the genocidal campaign unfolding before our eyes, we must examine the roots of Israeli society. Israel is a settler colonial state whose existence depends on the elimination of Palestinians. Accordingly, Israel is a deeply militarized society whose citizens are raised in an environment of historical revisionism and indoctrination that whitewashes Israel’s crimes while cultivating a deep-seated racism against Palestinians.”.

https://mronline.org/2024/01/17/the-idfs-war-crimes-are-a-perfect-reflection-of-israeli-society/

This rings true to me, closely knowing Palestinians and other Americans who have lworked in Palestinian Territories for years and also closely knowing Jewish americans and Israelis. I’ve posted things here critical of the Israeli state, but I’m genuinely saddened to hear the news of the Israeli hostages, especially the American, Hersh.

There are tens of thousands of Palestinians that the American media could have humanized in the same manner as it chose to feature this former IDF soldier who was born in the USA but moved to Israel as a child. We are being indoctrinated to extend sympathy in only one direction.

Indoctrinated? Americans should be sad that another American was kidnapped for months and killed. What are you even saying?

I see pictures of Hersh and his parents and his death makes me sad. So needless. But the PP is correct. Why should only Jews lost in this conflict matter to people? We can mourn the Jewish hostages and still see the truth of this one-sided campaign, because we are not blinded by tribalism. We should feel sadness for all Israelis AND Palestinian civilians lost to this horrible conflict. Why does a Jewish life matter more than a Palestinian life? Why should an American life matter more than one of the other Israeli hostages? All of these people were loved by someone who now feels their loss.

Far too human of a response for the deranged individuals in here defending Israel's policies and actions, weaponizing past wrongs in a horrifying attempt to justify viciously settling scores today. 40,000+ dead. Hundreds of thousands with long-term care necessary to treat wounds. Millions displaced from their homes.

The very definition of unevolved, which is ironic since so many of those same people label the Palestinians "animals", "subhuman filth", and "unevolved savages".

I'll never accept that one Jewish life is worth more than one Muslim life. I'll never accept that one Israeli life is worth more than one Palestinian or Arab or Christian life. Israel's failure to exercise restraint in their vengeance campaigns and repeated provocations in the region will inevitably lead to great loss in the Israeli community (and globally, the Jewish community, too) when the pendulum swings.

And that will be the very unfortunate byproduct of the policies and actions of the State of Israel today.

Nobody else will be to blame. If we have to endure being lectured about Hamas being responsible for IDF bombs being dropped on schools and hospital ICU units, and the snipers picking off children and elderly women, we cannot allow blame for the consequences to fall anywhere other than on Israel's shoulders.

You’re like the people who were cheering in the streets on October 8. You’re trying to act like you are intelligent and evolved and humanistic, but you cannot stand one day for people to empathize with innocent Israelis who were held hostage for 11 months before they were murdered.

My heart hurts for people who were killed on both sides and I also believe both sides have gotten a lot of sympathy and attention.

No, the PPs response is not akin to celebrating the events of Oct 7. It is an indictment of Israel's response to it. Not the same thing even if you disagree with them.

Both the Israeli government and Hamas are wrong here. All these innocents caught between them. We already know that Hamas is a terrorist organization that cares nothing for what happens to innocent people on either side. But the Israeli government has also made it clear they don't care how many innocents they kill. What is the difference? Both sides can point to wrongdoing by the other side. When does it end?

How does one negotiate with a group that does not care for its own people? A group that views death as something positive? When there seems to be no motivation on the part of Hamas leaders to improve and preserve Palestinan lives, negotiation is a joke. They want prisoners released so they can continue doing what they do best: murdering Israelis. Why should Bibi care more about Palestinians than their own leaders do?

Zionists are very good at coming up with excuses to justify murdering children. We see you.

You mean Hamas? They have no problem throwing kids in the line of fire to protect themselves. Or stealing money for weapons and tunnels instead of food and water for children. We see you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
I have a dream.

No more US financing of Zionist genocide

No more dual citizenships with Israel

No more tourists traveling to Israel.

No more flights from New York to Ben Gurion.

Zionists are completely isolated and left to fight among themselves as rats on a sinking ship.

Its Hamas, silly. They want more Palestinian deaths than anyone else. All of your directives will not help Palestinians. You have been brainwashed to not see the enemy who is leading you.

the enemy is Israel. the entire world has turned on the zionists.

they are evil to the core.

Here is a reminder from Miko Peled, former IDF Special Forces, on what this violent conflict is all about, “Israel is staging a prolonged assault on the Palestinian people’s very means of existence—destroying homes, hospitals, sanitation infrastructure, food and water sources, schools, and more. To understand the genocidal campaign unfolding before our eyes, we must examine the roots of Israeli society. Israel is a settler colonial state whose existence depends on the elimination of Palestinians. Accordingly, Israel is a deeply militarized society whose citizens are raised in an environment of historical revisionism and indoctrination that whitewashes Israel’s crimes while cultivating a deep-seated racism against Palestinians.”.

https://mronline.org/2024/01/17/the-idfs-war-crimes-are-a-perfect-reflection-of-israeli-society/

[Anonymous]

we condemn hamas but they've killed 1200 and IDF has killed 40000. Actually the Lancer study estimates the deaths could be close to 200k. If a tenth of these had died in Israel you would burn the whole world down.

[Anonymous]

I think Americans should stop obsessing over Israel. They don’t care about us.

500 years from now history will remember america as the superpower which got used by a tiny country to propel a genocide

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:
I have a dream.

No more US financing of Zionist genocide

No more dual citizenships with Israel

No more tourists traveling to Israel.

No more flights from New York to Ben Gurion.

Zionists are completely isolated and left to fight among themselves as rats on a sinking ship.

Its Hamas, silly. They want more Palestinian deaths than anyone else. All of your directives will not help Palestinians. You have been brainwashed to not see the enemy who is leading you.

the enemy is Israel. the entire world has turned on the zionists.

they are evil to the core.

Here is a reminder from Miko Peled, former IDF Special Forces, on what this violent conflict is all about, “Israel is staging a prolonged assault on the Palestinian people’s very means of existence—destroying homes, hospitals, sanitation infrastructure, food and water sources, schools, and more. To understand the genocidal campaign unfolding before our eyes, we must examine the roots of Israeli society. Israel is a settler colonial state whose existence depends on the elimination of Palestinians. Accordingly, Israel is a deeply militarized society whose citizens are raised in an environment of historical revisionism and indoctrination that whitewashes Israel’s crimes while cultivating a deep-seated racism against Palestinians.”.

https://mronline.org/2024/01/17/the-idfs-war-crimes-are-a-perfect-reflection-of-israeli-society/

Nope. Not the Israelis I know. The ones protesting their own government since 10/7, fighting to get hostages returned. Thr ones who fought for peace and were kidnapped from their beds, murdered and raped on 10/7. They committed no crimes and were targeted by a death cult who brainwashes its people. I hope one day Palestinians will have the courage and power to choose better leaders. For their own sake.

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Anonymous wrote:Another American hostage murdered yesterday, in addition to five other young hostages.

I find the restraint of the US Administration remarkable. In other other circumstances, we would be hunting and obliterating Hamas everywhere. The amount of sway Palestinians have over Washington is ridiculous. The gloves should be off. We should be in Gaza finishing off these terrorists.

Israel has killed plenty of Palestinian Americans and it never made cnn

I mean a sniper killed an American journalist wearing a press vest and all we did was ask the Israeli army to investigate itself.

The blood of these hostages is on both Hamas and Netanyahu

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I agree. But why were these innocent people kidnpapped in the first place? Hamas did that. They chose to murder, rape and kidnap innocent people at a music festival. The hostages would have been with their families all along had they not been targeted by Hamas.

Because Palestinians were murdered, raped, and kidnapped from their homes and taken into jail for no reason for years before 10/7.

The world didn’t care and was asleep to Palestinian injustices until 10/7 when the same thing happened to Israel

Palestinians were killed and raped by leftists? Or young peaceful music festival attendees? Confused. These innocent people were targeted by Hamas on 10/7. Stop with the lies and excuses. Admit that many Palestinians support Hamas, a murderous death cult, and care nothing for innocent civilians.

Were the founders of the State of Israel active members of a murderous death cult in your book? Asking because they are lock, stock and barrel verified to have done WORSE in the 1930s and 1940s. I repeat, for emphasis - WORSE.

So surely you view the foundation of the State of Israel as a terrorist victory, right? There’s no other way to frame what Begin and Shamir and the rest of Irgun, Lehi, Stern Gang did, right?

Terrorism is yesterday’s nation building.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:we condemn hamas but they've killed 1200 and IDF has killed 40000. Actually the Lancer study estimates the deaths could be close to 200k. If a tenth of these had died in Israel you would burn the whole world down.

Hamas knew their actions would lead to thousands of Palestinan deaths. Yet, they did not care and still don't care. If they had any concern for Palestinian lives, they would have made different choices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its baffling to me that people believe Hamas wants anything that resembles a ceasefire. They don't. They want violence and death. They will never agree to anything that improves Palestinian lives or empowers Palestinians. That would deplete their own power. You have to understand the psycopath's mind to understand Hamas.

That’s great propaganda and all, except Hamas already offered to step down and de-militarize its remaining members. The U.S. clumsily confirmed that in May and June, which makes you a liar for asserting that they seek to hold onto power at any cost.

Maybe you’re confusing Hamas for the actual terrorists in the region? You can find them in the Knesset, where Netanyahu is playing you and your Zionist brethren like incompetent fiddles … daily.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Its baffling to me that people believe Hamas wants anything that resembles a ceasefire. They don't. They want violence and death. They will never agree to anything that improves Palestinian lives or empowers Palestinians. That would deplete their own power. You have to understand the psycopath's mind to understand Hamas.

That’s great propaganda and all, except Hamas already offered to step down and de-militarize its remaining members. The U.S. clumsily confirmed that in May and June, which makes you a liar for asserting that they seek to hold onto power at any cost.

Maybe you’re confusing Hamas for the actual terrorists in the region? You can find them in the Knesset, where Netanyahu is playing you and your Zionist brethren like incompetent fiddles … daily.

What a joke. Hamas ceding power is laughable. They would be out launching rockets the day after any deal. That is all they know how to do, unfortunately. Murder, rape, torture and kidnap Jews. Not improve Palestinian lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:
I have a dream.

No more US financing of Zionist genocide

No more dual citizenships with Israel

No more tourists traveling to Israel.

No more flights from New York to Ben Gurion.

Zionists are completely isolated and left to fight among themselves as rats on a sinking ship.

Its Hamas, silly. They want more Palestinian deaths than anyone else. All of your directives will not help Palestinians. You have been brainwashed to not see the enemy who is leading you.

the enemy is Israel. the entire world has turned on the zionists.

they are evil to the core.

Here is a reminder from Miko Peled, former IDF Special Forces, on what this violent conflict is all about, “Israel is staging a prolonged assault on the Palestinian people’s very means of existence—destroying homes, hospitals, sanitation infrastructure, food and water sources, schools, and more. To understand the genocidal campaign unfolding before our eyes, we must examine the roots of Israeli society. Israel is a settler colonial state whose existence depends on the elimination of Palestinians. Accordingly, Israel is a deeply militarized society whose citizens are raised in an environment of historical revisionism and indoctrination that whitewashes Israel’s crimes while cultivating a deep-seated racism against Palestinians.”.

https://mronline.org/2024/01/17/the-idfs-war-crimes-are-a-perfect-reflection-of-israeli-society/

Nope. Not the Israelis I know. The ones protesting their own government since 10/7, fighting to get hostages returned. Thr ones who fought for peace and were kidnapped from their beds, murdered and raped on 10/7. They committed no crimes and were targeted by a death cult who brainwashes its people. I hope one day Palestinians will have the courage and power to choose better leaders. For their own sake.

What about those thousands and thousands of innocent Palestinians slaughtered by the Zionist death cult in the 1930s and 1940s?

We don’t have time to address the hundreds and hundreds of thousands who were forced to choose between fleeing their homes or death, so let’s just focus on the ones who woke up to their villages aflame as every child, woman, and man in the village was being slaughtered by … wait for it … groups that included the founding fathers and mothers of the State of Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:Its baffling to me that people believe Hamas wants anything that resembles a ceasefire. They don't. They want violence and death. They will never agree to anything that improves Palestinian lives or empowers Palestinians. That would deplete their own power. You have to understand the psycopath's mind to understand Hamas.

That’s great propaganda and all, except Hamas already offered to step down and de-militarize its remaining members. The U.S. clumsily confirmed that in May and June, which makes you a liar for asserting that they seek to hold onto power at any cost.

Maybe you’re confusing Hamas for the actual terrorists in the region? You can find them in the Knesset, where Netanyahu is playing you and your Zionist brethren like incompetent fiddles … daily.

What a joke. Hamas ceding power is laughable. They would be out launching rockets the day after any deal. That is all they know how to do, unfortunately. Murder, rape, torture and kidnap Jews. Not improve Palestinian lives.

I guess that’s your way of conceding that your welcome mat for a Hamas surrender to commit to a ceasefire is just empty talk and - how terribly unsurprising - perfectly on brand with your irrepressible dishonesty.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:we condemn hamas but they've killed 1200 and IDF has killed 40000. Actually the Lancer study estimates the deaths could be close to 200k. If a tenth of these had died in Israel you would burn the whole world down.

Hamas knew their actions would lead to thousands of Palestinan deaths. Yet, they did not care and still don't care. If they had any concern for Palestinian lives, they would have made different choices.

Victim blaming at the third grade level.

Are rape and other forms of domestic violence prevalent in Israel? They have to be with this lame brand of victim blaming we see over and over again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Its baffling to me that people believe Hamas wants anything that resembles a ceasefire. They don't. They want violence and death. They will never agree to anything that improves Palestinian lives or empowers Palestinians. That would deplete their own power. You have to understand the psycopath's mind to understand Hamas.

That’s great propaganda and all, except Hamas already offered to step down and de-militarize its remaining members. The U.S. clumsily confirmed that in May and June, which makes you a liar for asserting that they seek to hold onto power at any cost.

Maybe you’re confusing Hamas for the actual terrorists in the region? You can find them in the Knesset, where Netanyahu is playing you and your Zionist brethren like incompetent fiddles … daily.

What a joke. Hamas ceding power is laughable. They would be out launching rockets the day after any deal. That is all they know how to do, unfortunately. Murder, rape, torture and kidnap Jews. Not improve Palestinian lives.

I guess that’s your way of conceding that your welcome mat for a Hamas surrender to commit to a ceasefire is just empty talk and - how terribly unsurprising - perfectly on brand with your irrepressible dishonesty.

Huh? Oh I see...you are assuming I am Israeli and/or Jewish. That way, you can lean on tropes rather than face the reality of a hopeless future for Palestinians because of Hamas' psychopathic decisions.