Trump DOJ to prosecute universities for anti-white affirmative action policies

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You are good at making assumptions. I don't have to be black to make a case for Affirmative Action. Holocaust is bad but not nearly as bad as slavery which went on for centuries and killed millions of blacks and deprived them the very humanity you take for granted. It is much much worse than Holocaust. No one said everything is someone else's fault. But slavery, jim crow, cop shooting of unarmed blacks, harsh criminal justice reserved for minor black crimes are all on the hands of systemic racism.

oh

Here we go again. Let's see whose history is worse - descendants of slaves or descendants of the Holocaust.

lynchings
gas chambers
rapes
brutal force
starvation
child labor
breaking families apart

You must be very competitive, PP. but for all the wrong reasons . . .

Um and how many rapes, murders, and robberies have blacks committed against whites? They commute violent crimes against white demonstrators FAR more frequently than whites against blacks. So we should reward them?

Well, if we're trying to keep score, AAs have a long way to catch up. Look out, whitey.

Most AAs have slaveowner ancestry as well. This is something that many AAs seem to conveniently forget about whenever they can beat white people over the head about slavery.

Maybe they'd like to forget the fact that their great-great-great-grandmothers were raped by those slaveowners.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has meandered all over the place. To get back to AA policies, I say that blacks from HHI of $100,000+ should get no "points" for being black in terms of college admissions. If a poor white has better grades and scores, then he should get the leg up - and the slot. Fair?

We can talk about fair when you stop assuming that a black student of any income level only gets admitted because they're black. Can't shake the feeling you believe a poor white kid will always have better scores than a black kid from a wealthy home.

You sure project a lot. I never IF a poor white has better grades than a middle-class black.

What about white kids with poor grades who take spots. Like, Jared Kushner or Donald J. Trump? Fair?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has meandered all over the place. To get back to AA policies, I say that blacks from HHI of $100,000+ should get no "points" for being black in terms of college admissions. If a poor white has better grades and scores, then he should get the leg up - and the slot. Fair?

We can talk about fair when you stop assuming that a black student of any income level only gets admitted because they're black. Can't shake the feeling you believe a poor white kid will always have better scores than a black kid from a wealthy home.

YOU are in no position to talk about "fair" when you assign racial animus to everything. The PP said "if a poor white has better grades than a wealthy black," and you accuse her of assuming all poor whites have better scores than wealthy blacks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not even white and I agree with this policy. There is no reason to discriminate against a qualified white student

Discrimination is never okay.

Switching gears: at what point should affirmative action cease to apply?

Do the American born children of a successful American-raised Latino/Indian/Asian/whatever Doctor/lawyer/whatever who are raised in Bethesda really need another academic edge when applying to college simply because of their race? Isn't attendance at a W school enough?

Shouldn't affirmative action focus on socioeconomics rather than race? Shouldn't the goal be to level the playing field by giving the kid who grew up at a disadvantage a boost? That has everything to do with money, and nothing to do with race.

Why should kids from affluent, upper middle class or even solidly middle class get a boost just because they aren't white? Why not limit this to those who truly have the cards stacked against them...including poor whites?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not one of those insecure Negroes that harbors hatred or resentment for white folks for their privilege or my plight. I'm not the type to cling to negative sentiments or allow such thoughts to permeate my peace of mind. I know that blacks have been thru hell and I know that many blacks are still mired in hellish conditions to this day - sadly sometimes their problems and predicaments are self-imposed.

But I also know that blacks are still here still advancing and achieving and aspiring and attaining. I know that all efforts to keep blacks down permanently have failed and I know that all obstacles and barriers to hold blacks back ultimately were and will be overcome.

So having said all that, basically the point I'm trying to make is that no matter what negative caricature of the Negro it is that some may have etched in their brains that they base opinions and generalizations of all black people on - whether it be the ghetto thug or the single parent or whatever - that's not going to deter black people nor will it ultimately define black people.

I may be in the minority on this but despite all the prejudiced presumptions people make I see millions of blacks who are respected educators and remarkable innovators and capable leaders and constant achievers. If some can't see this vast segment of society or aren't inclined to give any credibility to the existence of educated or successful black people then that's their choice - but Affirmative Action or not I guarantee you that segment of educated and successful black people will persevere and prevail and proliferate. That's what blacks have always done.

Well, I'm in the minority with you.

I actually think people who consider themselves educated but still hang on to the idea that some aren't deserving of an education are in their own minority, or will be soon.

Who here has said some aren't deserving of an education? If anything, those arguing for income-based AA policies, such as myself, want to see admissions decisions applied more fairly. Certainly, a poor white student with a 1200 SAT and a 3.4 GPA should not be rejected from a college in favor of a wealthy black student with lower grades and scores. The white kid succeeded despite his financial hardship, while the black kid did worse despite his financial advantage.

That's not to say the black kid won't get an education. He just won't get it at the school the higher-scoring poor white kid will. Why should the black kid get into the better school when the white kid is more qualified?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am not even white and I agree with this policy. There is no reason to discriminate against a qualified white student

Discrimination is never okay.

Switching gears: at what point should affirmative action cease to apply?

Do the American born children of a successful American-raised Latino/Indian/Asian/whatever Doctor/lawyer/whatever who are raised in Bethesda really need another academic edge when applying to college simply because of their race? Isn't attendance at a W school enough?

Shouldn't affirmative action focus on socioeconomics rather than race? Shouldn't the goal be to level the playing field by giving the kid who grew up at a disadvantage a boost? That has everything to do with money, and nothing to do with race.

Why should kids from affluent, upper middle class or even solidly middle class get a boost just because they aren't white? Why not limit this to those who truly have the cards stacked against them...including poor whites?

Yes, AA should address socioeconomic disadvantage not race. And don't forget that the current system demonstrably discriminates against asain americans.

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OK, so you're saying the reason the Jews are so much more successful than blacks is because there is more prejudice against blacks. You seem unable to acknowledge that it has much to do with the Jews' emphasis on education and the value they place on strong family units. That's because that would place some of the responsibility on blacks themselves, which is a much-needed step to advancement.

Because African-Americans don't value family or education?

<= There aren't enough of either of these to express my WTF on this.

Doesn't seem to be as much as Jews do. Otherwise, there wouldn't be so many out-of-wedlock births and absentee fathers.

Blacks suffered from lacking a historical, cultural, ethnic, and racial moorings. They have no link or connection to anything about Africa. They were just caught in a situation they have no clue about. So they have no pride, no focal point around which to revive. Its the same thing that happened to native Americans who are literally wiped out.

How can the dads be at home when they are not out in jail for minor drug offenses and once you have a record you are dooomed. The blacks don't have money to get a good lawyer to fight their case. They do a plea bargain not realizing that will screw them for life. A white jury gives them much harder punishment than the community service they dole out to whites. Blacks are stuck in a no win situation by the system.

Jews are no where as badly screwed by the systemic injustice.

This argument (which I've heard frequently) ignores that in the early 20th century black families were intact at the same rates as white families. The social and sexual revolution and drugs (not the war on drugs) really damaged black families.

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OK, so you're saying the reason the Jews are so much more successful than blacks is because there is more prejudice against blacks. You seem unable to acknowledge that it has much to do with the Jews' emphasis on education and the value they place on strong family units. That's because that would place some of the responsibility on blacks themselves, which is a much-needed step to advancement.

Because African-Americans don't value family or education?

<= There aren't enough of either of these to express my WTF on this.

Doesn't seem to be as much as Jews do. Otherwise, there wouldn't be so many out-of-wedlock births and absentee fathers.

Blacks suffered from lacking a historical, cultural, ethnic, and racial moorings. They have no link or connection to anything about Africa. They were just caught in a situation they have no clue about. So they have no pride, no focal point around which to revive. Its the same thing that happened to native Americans who are literally wiped out.

How can the dads be at home when they are not out in jail for minor drug offenses and once you have a record you are dooomed. The blacks don't have money to get a good lawyer to fight their case. They do a plea bargain not realizing that will screw them for life. A white jury gives them much harder punishment than the community service they dole out to whites. Blacks are stuck in a no win situation by the system.

Jews are no where as badly screwed by the systemic injustice.

This argument (which I've heard frequently) ignores that in the early 20th century black families were intact at the same rates as white families. The social and sexual revolution and drugs (not the war on drugs) really damaged black families.

Oh yeah I think I remember reading about that. Apparently in the 50's and 60's right around the time of the "Black Power Movement" there was an odd coincidence where simultaneously an influx of drugs (heroin and cocaine) in predominantly black communities. There's evidence to substantiate the claim that this influx was intentionally instigated by the government and/or by government officials specifically to temper that movement.

[Anonymous]

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You are good at making assumptions. I don't have to be black to make a case for Affirmative Action. Holocaust is bad but not nearly as bad as slavery which went on for centuries and killed millions of blacks and deprived them the very humanity you take for granted. It is much much worse than Holocaust. No one said everything is someone else's fault. But slavery, jim crow, cop shooting of unarmed blacks, harsh criminal justice reserved for minor black crimes are all on the hands of systemic racism.

oh

Here we go again. Let's see whose history is worse - descendants of slaves or descendants of the Holocaust.

lynchings
gas chambers
rapes
brutal force
starvation
child labor
breaking families apart

You must be very competitive, PP. but for all the wrong reasons . . .

Um and how many rapes, murders, and robberies have blacks committed against whites? They commute violent crimes against white demonstrators FAR more frequently than whites against blacks. So we should reward them?

Well, if we're trying to keep score, AAs have a long way to catch up. Look out, whitey.

Most AAs have slaveowner ancestry as well. This is something that many AAs seem to conveniently forget about whenever they can beat white people over the head about slavery.

Maybe they'd like to forget the fact that their great-great-great-grandmothers were raped by those slaveowners.

I think it's more like they'd like they'd like to forget that their great-great-great grandfather was a rapist and a slaveowner, but they only identify with the grandmother to absolve their ancestry of any implication of being involved with slavery. The problem is that if one of your ancestors was conceived by rape, that means that you are a direct descendant of the rapist as well. I understand it's not something people want to think about, but it's something that's only fair to point it out when a black person starts holding the "your ancestors were slaveowners/your ancestors raped my ancestors" card over a white person's head. Those evil slaveowning rapists are YOUR ancestors, YOUR family, YOUR blood -- not necessarily mine.

[Anonymous]

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You are good at making assumptions. I don't have to be black to make a case for Affirmative Action. Holocaust is bad but not nearly as bad as slavery which went on for centuries and killed millions of blacks and deprived them the very humanity you take for granted. It is much much worse than Holocaust. No one said everything is someone else's fault. But slavery, jim crow, cop shooting of unarmed blacks, harsh criminal justice reserved for minor black crimes are all on the hands of systemic racism.

oh

Here we go again. Let's see whose history is worse - descendants of slaves or descendants of the Holocaust.

lynchings
gas chambers
rapes
brutal force
starvation
child labor
breaking families apart

You must be very competitive, PP. but for all the wrong reasons . . .

Um and how many rapes, murders, and robberies have blacks committed against whites? They commute violent crimes against white demonstrators FAR more frequently than whites against blacks. So we should reward them?

Well, if we're trying to keep score, AAs have a long way to catch up. Look out, whitey.

Most AAs have slaveowner ancestry as well. This is something that many AAs seem to conveniently forget about whenever they can beat white people over the head about slavery.

This is the typical defense of the coward. A heinous crime is justified because someone else committed it too. And it's such an exaggeration that blacks were slave owners in America. Even if it was true it pales in comparison to the scale of white slave owners.

[Anonymous]

White people just can't make it America anymore. Thanks, Obama. White people need more opportunity or they will be shut out from power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You are good at making assumptions. I don't have to be black to make a case for Affirmative Action. Holocaust is bad but not nearly as bad as slavery which went on for centuries and killed millions of blacks and deprived them the very humanity you take for granted. It is much much worse than Holocaust. No one said everything is someone else's fault. But slavery, jim crow, cop shooting of unarmed blacks, harsh criminal justice reserved for minor black crimes are all on the hands of systemic racism.

oh

Here we go again. Let's see whose history is worse - descendants of slaves or descendants of the Holocaust.

lynchings
gas chambers
rapes
brutal force
starvation
child labor
breaking families apart

You must be very competitive, PP. but for all the wrong reasons . . .

Um and how many rapes, murders, and robberies have blacks committed against whites? They commute violent crimes against white demonstrators FAR more frequently than whites against blacks. So we should reward them?

Well, if we're trying to keep score, AAs have a long way to catch up. Look out, whitey.

Most AAs have slaveowner ancestry as well. This is something that many AAs seem to conveniently forget about whenever they can beat white people over the head about slavery.

This is the typical defense of the coward. A heinous crime is justified because someone else committed it too. And it's such an exaggeration that blacks were slave owners in America. Even if it was true it pales in comparison to the scale of white slave owners.

Did someone say that slavery was justified? And you are clearly not understanding the point. The point is not that some "blacks were slave owners." The point is that many blacks like to point out that their ancestors were raped by cruel white slaveowners, while conveniently omitting the logical implication that this means that they themselves are descendants of those cruel white slaveowners and are in no position to be condemning other people's ancestry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:White people just can't make it America anymore. Thanks, Obama. White people need more opportunity or they will be shut out from power.

Rich/Upper Middle Class white people are doing fine. They aren't affected by affirmative action because they don't work in the types of jobs (assuming they work at all) that are affected by affirmative action. Poor/working class whites are much more likely to be doing a job that is affected by affirmative action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:White people just can't make it America anymore. Thanks, Obama. White people need more opportunity or they will be shut out from power.

Except that photo is of older white males, who were not harmed by AA policies (or at least not to the extent it's going on today). We are talking about white teenagers currently, who are rejected from colleges or grad schools in favor of lower-scoring minorities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You are good at making assumptions. I don't have to be black to make a case for Affirmative Action. Holocaust is bad but not nearly as bad as slavery which went on for centuries and killed millions of blacks and deprived them the very humanity you take for granted. It is much much worse than Holocaust. No one said everything is someone else's fault. But slavery, jim crow, cop shooting of unarmed blacks, harsh criminal justice reserved for minor black crimes are all on the hands of systemic racism.

oh

Here we go again. Let's see whose history is worse - descendants of slaves or descendants of the Holocaust.

lynchings
gas chambers
rapes
brutal force
starvation
child labor
breaking families apart

You must be very competitive, PP. but for all the wrong reasons . . .

Um and how many rapes, murders, and robberies have blacks committed against whites? They commute violent crimes against white demonstrators FAR more frequently than whites against blacks. So we should reward them?

Well, if we're trying to keep score, AAs have a long way to catch up. Look out, whitey.

Most AAs have slaveowner ancestry as well. This is something that many AAs seem to conveniently forget about whenever they can beat white people over the head about slavery.

This is the typical defense of the coward. A heinous crime is justified because someone else committed it too. And it's such an exaggeration that blacks were slave owners in America. Even if it was true it pales in comparison to the scale of white slave owners.

Did someone say that slavery was justified? And you are clearly not understanding the point. The point is not that some "blacks were slave owners." The point is that many blacks like to point out that their ancestors were raped by cruel white slaveowners, while conveniently omitting the logical implication that this means that they themselves are descendants of those cruel white slaveowners and are in no position to be condemning other people's ancestry.

Now you're just trying too hard.