RTO EO is up

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Trump administration's position is that people who are not committed to their jobs need to start looking. They use willingness to be in person as a measure of that. It's an imperfect measure, to be sure, but there aren't a lot of good measures to be had. Performance reviews are not reliable and also there isn't anything the administration can do to fix that. But they can try to get people back in the offices.

They also want to revitalize the business districts that relied on people coming to work. Good or bad, we will all be better off for thriving brick and mortar businesses and less Chinese Amazon products.

I don't think it's a bad thing to shake this up. Change is hard. We may need to move to a smaller place to make it work. I don't know, but I try to understand the motivations for things and believe there is some good here.

One of the local news stations ran a segment yesterday on Mayor Bowser. She was strongly pushing feds returning to work. The segment said she has been begging the Biden admin to enforce return to the office, and she actually flew down to Marlago to convince Trump to do this.

The reasons cited were revitalizing/saving the business downtown, and as a means to conbat the surging crime in DC over the past 4 years.

This return to work is not solely a trump thing.

It is actually a bipartisan measure between far right trump and far left mayor bowser.

Mayor Bowser is not far left.

She is compared to most of the country even if she is not by DC standards.

And actually, trump is not far right. Based on the election results, he is right around center based on where the country sits right now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the Trump administration's position is that people who are not committed to their jobs need to start looking. They use willingness to be in person as a measure of that. It's an imperfect measure, to be sure, but there aren't a lot of good measures to be had. Performance reviews are not reliable and also there isn't anything the administration can do to fix that. But they can try to get people back in the offices.

They also want to revitalize the business districts that relied on people coming to work. Good or bad, we will all be better off for thriving brick and mortar businesses and less Chinese Amazon products.

I don't think it's a bad thing to shake this up. Change is hard. We may need to move to a smaller place to make it work. I don't know, but I try to understand the motivations for things and believe there is some good here.

One of the local news stations ran a segment yesterday on Mayor Bowser. She was strongly pushing feds returning to work. The segment said she has been begging the Biden admin to enforce return to the office, and she actually flew down to Marlago to convince Trump to do this.

The reasons cited were revitalizing/saving the business downtown, and as a means to conbat the surging crime in DC over the past 4 years.

This return to work is not solely a trump thing.

It is actually a bipartisan measure between far right trump and far left mayor bowser.

Mayor Bowser is not far left.

She is compared to most of the country even if she is not by DC standards.

And actually, trump is not far right. Based on the election results, he is right around center based on where the country sits right now.

“Far right” is not defined in relative terms. The Nazis did not cease to be far right just because they were elected by a plurality of Germans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This comes down to trust. Teleworkers are saying: trust us, we’re being productive at home and not watching the kids/watching TV/taking a nap/taking a walk, etc. The new administration is saying it no longer trusts them.

If this were true the new administration would support continued TW/remote work as its goal is for the fed to fail. This has nothing to do with whether people are doing their jobs. This is about (1) showing the base that he’s getting feds in line and making them stop slacking; (2) attrition; and (3) more money for the private sector. Feds are pawns and the work of the federal workforce is not important to this administration

[Anonymous]

The tragedy is that billionaires like Trump and Musk were able to convince common people that Federal Workers, Immigrants and liberals are their enemies but billionaires are their friends.

This country is going to experience such a massive shock when drug prices are raised( cap was lifted yesterday), grocery prices stay inflated, workers don’t have protections, H-1B cap remains the same, no support for working parents, social security and Medicaid/medicare benefits reduced.

You see billionaires don’t make any money if people WFH, when people WFH they save time and eat healthier, are less stressed and exercise, are not spending a lot on gas, cars, drugs, clothes, fast food etc. you see the pattern? Billionaires want you all overworked, overstretched, over stressed and mindless so that they can exploit you for their maximum gain, get ready America because you cut your nose to spite your face.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do some people hate fed workers so much? I work in the private sector and I will never work in the public sector because career progression is slow and the waves are not very competitive in my field. These guys are just doing their work like everyone else and some of you are hating on these people why?!?

+1 I don’t get it either - jealousy? Lack of education?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Got an email from our leadership this morning that they aren’t changing any policies on telework. We’ve been 4 days per pay period. Heard from a colleague that OGC told them the CBA trumps the EO. They also got beat up last budget cycle over lease costs and they don’t want to go ask for more money for enough office space for everyone to be in office full time.

Wonderful news!

[Anonymous]

The people who don't understand how employees can get work done at home AND enhance their personal lives are purposefully being dense. I get back 2 hours of my day from not commuting. In those 2 hours, I can exercise, cook, laundry, stare off into space, do whatever the hell I want and it is not during work time.

And yes, it is fine to do some of this stuff during work hours too because you know what, no one works 8 hours straight with no breaks. I don't care where you are working. When I went in, I had better camaraderie with my coworkers because I chatted with them when I needed a break or was transitioning between projects. I grant you that that is a huge pro of being in office. However, more productive I was not. I would rather be loading laundry or clean a bathroom during my transitions/breaks than chatting it up with a coworker.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the Trump administration's position is that people who are not committed to their jobs need to start looking. They use willingness to be in person as a measure of that. It's an imperfect measure, to be sure, but there aren't a lot of good measures to be had. Performance reviews are not reliable and also there isn't anything the administration can do to fix that. But they can try to get people back in the offices.

They also want to revitalize the business districts that relied on people coming to work. Good or bad, we will all be better off for thriving brick and mortar businesses and less Chinese Amazon products.

I don't think it's a bad thing to shake this up. Change is hard. We may need to move to a smaller place to make it work. I don't know, but I try to understand the motivations for things and believe there is some good here.

One of the local news stations ran a segment yesterday on Mayor Bowser. She was strongly pushing feds returning to work. The segment said she has been begging the Biden admin to enforce return to the office, and she actually flew down to Marlago to convince Trump to do this.

The reasons cited were revitalizing/saving the business downtown, and as a means to conbat the surging crime in DC over the past 4 years.

This return to work is not solely a trump thing.

It is actually a bipartisan measure between far right trump and far left mayor bowser.

Mayor Bowser is not far left.

She is compared to most of the country even if she is not by DC standards.

And actually, trump is not far right. Based on the election results, he is right around center based on where the country sits right now.

He won a gerrymandered electoral college. Not the popular vote. And less than half the voters went with him. So no he doesn’t rep where the country is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the Trump administration's position is that people who are not committed to their jobs need to start looking. They use willingness to be in person as a measure of that. It's an imperfect measure, to be sure, but there aren't a lot of good measures to be had. Performance reviews are not reliable and also there isn't anything the administration can do to fix that. But they can try to get people back in the offices.

They also want to revitalize the business districts that relied on people coming to work. Good or bad, we will all be better off for thriving brick and mortar businesses and less Chinese Amazon products.

I don't think it's a bad thing to shake this up. Change is hard. We may need to move to a smaller place to make it work. I don't know, but I try to understand the motivations for things and believe there is some good here.

One of the local news stations ran a segment yesterday on Mayor Bowser. She was strongly pushing feds returning to work. The segment said she has been begging the Biden admin to enforce return to the office, and she actually flew down to Marlago to convince Trump to do this.

The reasons cited were revitalizing/saving the business downtown, and as a means to conbat the surging crime in DC over the past 4 years.

This return to work is not solely a trump thing.

It is actually a bipartisan measure between far right trump and far left mayor bowser.

Mayor Bowser is not far left.

She is compared to most of the country even if she is not by DC standards.

And actually, trump is not far right. Based on the election results, he is right around center based on where the country sits right now.

He won a gerrymandered electoral college. Not the popular vote. And less than half the voters went with him. So no he doesn’t rep where the country is.

He won the popular vote plus a solid majority of electoral votes. He gained votes in every county in the country except for a handful. All of this makes him the center this time around.

2016 is calling your name.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the Trump administration's position is that people who are not committed to their jobs need to start looking. They use willingness to be in person as a measure of that. It's an imperfect measure, to be sure, but there aren't a lot of good measures to be had. Performance reviews are not reliable and also there isn't anything the administration can do to fix that. But they can try to get people back in the offices.

They also want to revitalize the business districts that relied on people coming to work. Good or bad, we will all be better off for thriving brick and mortar businesses and less Chinese Amazon products.

I don't think it's a bad thing to shake this up. Change is hard. We may need to move to a smaller place to make it work. I don't know, but I try to understand the motivations for things and believe there is some good here.

One of the local news stations ran a segment yesterday on Mayor Bowser. She was strongly pushing feds returning to work. The segment said she has been begging the Biden admin to enforce return to the office, and she actually flew down to Marlago to convince Trump to do this.

The reasons cited were revitalizing/saving the business downtown, and as a means to conbat the surging crime in DC over the past 4 years.

This return to work is not solely a trump thing.

It is actually a bipartisan measure between far right trump and far left mayor bowser.

Mayor Bowser is not far left.

She is compared to most of the country even if she is not by DC standards.

And actually, trump is not far right. Based on the election results, he is right around center based on where the country sits right now.

He won a gerrymandered electoral college. Not the popular vote. And less than half the voters went with him. So no he doesn’t rep where the country is.

He won the popular vote plus a solid majority of electoral votes. He gained votes in every county in the country except for a handful. All of this makes him the center this time around.

2016 is calling your name.

Again, whether something is far right or left is not defined based on how much of the population supports it. What you mean to say is that a plurality of Americans voted for a far right politician.

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Anonymous wrote:Glad I got my popcorn early.

Does it turn you on when other people’s lives are upended?

Drama llama? RTO is hardly an upending - have some perspective

I haven’t been complaining too much about this, mostly because I’ve felt very lucky to be a remote worker and knew it would end someday, but don’t minimize it but saying it doesn’t upend things. I’ll spend 2ish less hours/day with my kids, who are young and still want to spend time with me. My young kids routine is going to change quite a bit (only one parent at home in the morning, most likely) which will be stressful and require adjustment. I haven’t yet figured out a way to keep the exercise routine I’ve had for 2+ years that has greatly improved my physical and mental health, and see my kids at all on those days. And we have a dog who does not enjoy being alone all day.

These are all the problems of privilege, and I recognize that. They still create stress and disruption.

One thing for sure - I’m cutting back to working 40 hours per week!

Cry
Me a River

So you don’t support families? Why would you want parents unnecessarily spending 2 fewer hours with their kids in order to sit alone on Teams calls?

Why don’t you support technology and want to take advantage of the efficiencies it brings? Do you also want us using fax machines?

You had better never:
- Use Amazon or have anything delivered
- go to a restaurant
- Go to a doctor’s office or hospital
- Gas station
- Grocery store
- send children to school or daycare

Or anywhere that requires people to leave their homes to be at your service.

Because if you do, by your own admission you don’t support families.

That’s not what PP said at all. The jobs you listed cannot, by their very nature be done at home. That is different than a job that can be done WFH but is forced back to the office for no justifiable reason except to cause employee attrition.

So PP loves her family more because she can work in her PJs? Should people that work outside the home not have families?

Telling her that she needs to get in her car and drive to DC to work is not an assault on her familial duties.

Ooof. That is some willfully incorrect reading.

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Anonymous wrote:Glad I got my popcorn early.

Does it turn you on when other people’s lives are upended?

Drama llama? RTO is hardly an upending - have some perspective

I haven’t been complaining too much about this, mostly because I’ve felt very lucky to be a remote worker and knew it would end someday, but don’t minimize it but saying it doesn’t upend things. I’ll spend 2ish less hours/day with my kids, who are young and still want to spend time with me. My young kids routine is going to change quite a bit (only one parent at home in the morning, most likely) which will be stressful and require adjustment. I haven’t yet figured out a way to keep the exercise routine I’ve had for 2+ years that has greatly improved my physical and mental health, and see my kids at all on those days. And we have a dog who does not enjoy being alone all day.

These are all the problems of privilege, and I recognize that. They still create stress and disruption.

One thing for sure - I’m cutting back to working 40 hours per week!

Cry
Me a River

So you don’t support families? Why would you want parents unnecessarily spending 2 fewer hours with their kids in order to sit alone on Teams calls?

Why don’t you support technology and want to take advantage of the efficiencies it brings? Do you also want us using fax machines?

You had better never:
- Use Amazon or have anything delivered
- go to a restaurant
- Go to a doctor’s office or hospital
- Gas station
- Grocery store
- send children to school or daycare

Or anywhere that requires people to leave their homes to be at your service.

Because if you do, by your own admission you don’t support families.

That’s not what PP said at all. The jobs you listed cannot, by their very nature be done at home. That is different than a job that can be done WFH but is forced back to the office for no justifiable reason except to cause employee attrition.

So PP loves her family more because she can work in her PJs? Should people that work outside the home not have families?

Telling her that she needs to get in her car and drive to DC to work is not an assault on her familial duties.

NP - no, but it’s petty and mean-spirited. There are absolutely benefits to groups of people working in-person, for some of the time, even though their work is largely online. There is no benefit to insisting that they work in-person five days/week. It’s pure bitterness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the Trump administration's position is that people who are not committed to their jobs need to start looking. They use willingness to be in person as a measure of that. It's an imperfect measure, to be sure, but there aren't a lot of good measures to be had. Performance reviews are not reliable and also there isn't anything the administration can do to fix that. But they can try to get people back in the offices.

They also want to revitalize the business districts that relied on people coming to work. Good or bad, we will all be better off for thriving brick and mortar businesses and less Chinese Amazon products.

I don't think it's a bad thing to shake this up. Change is hard. We may need to move to a smaller place to make it work. I don't know, but I try to understand the motivations for things and believe there is some good here.

One of the local news stations ran a segment yesterday on Mayor Bowser. She was strongly pushing feds returning to work. The segment said she has been begging the Biden admin to enforce return to the office, and she actually flew down to Marlago to convince Trump to do this.

The reasons cited were revitalizing/saving the business downtown, and as a means to conbat the surging crime in DC over the past 4 years.

This return to work is not solely a trump thing.

It is actually a bipartisan measure between far right trump and far left mayor bowser.

Mayor Bowser is not far left.

She is compared to most of the country even if she is not by DC standards.

And actually, trump is not far right. Based on the election results, he is right around center based on where the country sits right now.

He won a gerrymandered electoral college. Not the popular vote. And less than half the voters went with him. So no he doesn’t rep where the country is.

I don't think you have a good handle on what "gerrymandered" means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The tragedy is that billionaires like Trump and Musk were able to convince common people that Federal Workers, Immigrants and liberals are their enemies but billionaires are their friends.

This country is going to experience such a massive shock when drug prices are raised( cap was lifted yesterday), grocery prices stay inflated, workers don’t have protections, H-1B cap remains the same, no support for working parents, social security and Medicaid/medicare benefits reduced.

You see billionaires don’t make any money if people WFH, when people WFH they save time and eat healthier, are less stressed and exercise, are not spending a lot on gas, cars, drugs, clothes, fast food etc. you see the pattern? Billionaires want you all overworked, overstretched, over stressed and mindless so that they can exploit you for their maximum gain, get ready America because you cut your nose to spite your face.

This is nothing new and not a surprise. We are an ultra capitalist country. Again it's nothing new. Sooner or later billionaires were going to have total control of all branches of the government and our economy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do some people hate fed workers so much? I work in the private sector and I will never work in the public sector because career progression is slow and the waves are not very competitive in my field. These guys are just doing their work like everyone else and some of you are hating on these people why?!?

Thanks PP. At least there are people who care about others.