Why don’t schools make you just through some hoops for redshirting?

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Anonymous wrote:I get a little bitter about it with my developmentally delayed May bday boy who will be starting K in early August. Because he has an IEP, he needs to start K on time, or else he loses his services. I do wish that, where at-will redshirting is allowed, special needs kids could be included.

Those are the ones who should be allowed to red-shirt. It is abused by parents for selfish reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:Who are you people so hung up on this? I have a first grader and have no clue when her classmates’ birthdays are or their exact age, nor do I care. Same thing in kinder. Just mind your own business and focus on your own child and family

Only the crazy people are hung up on it. I have a young spring birthday kid and I can’t imagine thinking the way some of these anti-redshirters do. I don’t view kindergarten as some sort of educational Thunderdome the way the anti-redshirters do.

Apparently, you do view kindergarten as some sort of educational thunderdome as well as the redshirters. Otherwise, there would be no redshirters.

I didn’t redshirt. One of my kids is a young spring birthday. I fail to see how I see kindergarten as an educational Thunderdome when I don’t care what anyone else does, whether they redshirt or not. Maniacally keeping tabs on the ages of everyone in the class is the purview of the crazy competitive anti-redshirters, not the rest of us.

But in any event, thanks for adding to the overwhelming evidence that the anti-redshirters are nuts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I get a little bitter about it with my developmentally delayed May bday boy who will be starting K in early August. Because he has an IEP, he needs to start K on time, or else he loses his services. I do wish that, where at-will redshirting is allowed, special needs kids could be included.

Those are the ones who should be allowed to red-shirt. It is abused by parents for selfish reasons.

What are you talking about? The refrain from anti-redshirters is to always send everyone on time so they get the services they need in school. Are you now admitting that redshirting can be helpful for some kids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Being a preemie is the only legit medical reason I can think of for extreme redshirting in a mainstream classroom. The other reasons people give for extreme redshirting (holding back a May bday in a district with a Sept cutoff) are best addressed in a special ed classroom. Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to game the system.

What are you doing to actually help your kid? Prepare your kid for the road, not the road for the kid by clearing all the obstacles. There will always be someone bigger, smarter, older, etc. That's life.

Yeah definitely make your 4 y/o go to full day kindergarten to teach them some life lessons. Great parenting. Gold Star.

What about use the resources available to everyone to maximize your child’s chance of success and use the extra year to work on the thing your kid— your individual, idiosyncratic kid— would benefit most from?

I’m parent of the September daughter who will spend her “extra” preK year in an outdoor program. Why? Because she’s already academically advanced and doesn’t need more math and sciences, she needs another year in her second language and she needs another year of cooperative play with kids who are bigger and stronger than her to work on her social skills and problem solving.

That’s what my kid needs. Your kid probably needs something different. I expect you would know what that is and seek it out for them.

If she is advanced you are doing her a disservice by holding her back. Your excuses make no sense as she can get that in K.

Most kids by age three and four are in full day preschools or day cares so if your child did these, the school or you failed them if they are not ready for k.

You know what she can’t get? More than 30 minutes outside all day or an age-appropriate nap if she wants it. Four year olds don’t need to be sitting in classrooms all day.

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Anonymous wrote:Being a preemie is the only legit medical reason I can think of for extreme redshirting in a mainstream classroom. The other reasons people give for extreme redshirting (holding back a May bday in a district with a Sept cutoff) are best addressed in a special ed classroom. Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to game the system.

What are you doing to actually help your kid? Prepare your kid for the road, not the road for the kid by clearing all the obstacles. There will always be someone bigger, smarter, older, etc. That's life.

Yeah definitely make your 4 y/o go to full day kindergarten to teach them some life lessons. Great parenting. Gold Star.

What about use the resources available to everyone to maximize your child’s chance of success and use the extra year to work on the thing your kid— your individual, idiosyncratic kid— would benefit most from?

I’m parent of the September daughter who will spend her “extra” preK year in an outdoor program. Why? Because she’s already academically advanced and doesn’t need more math and sciences, she needs another year in her second language and she needs another year of cooperative play with kids who are bigger and stronger than her to work on her social skills and problem solving.

That’s what my kid needs. Your kid probably needs something different. I expect you would know what that is and seek it out for them.

If she is advanced you are doing her a disservice by holding her back. Your excuses make no sense as she can get that in K.

Most kids by age three and four are in full day preschools or day cares so if your child did these, the school or you failed them if they are not ready for k.

You know what she can’t get? More than 30 minutes outside all day or an age-appropriate nap if she wants it. Four year olds don’t need to be sitting in classrooms all day.

5 year olds don’t nap. And, you can take her outside before school, after school weekends or evening. See how that works?

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Anonymous wrote:Being a preemie is the only legit medical reason I can think of for extreme redshirting in a mainstream classroom. The other reasons people give for extreme redshirting (holding back a May bday in a district with a Sept cutoff) are best addressed in a special ed classroom. Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to game the system.

What are you doing to actually help your kid? Prepare your kid for the road, not the road for the kid by clearing all the obstacles. There will always be someone bigger, smarter, older, etc. That's life.

Yeah definitely make your 4 y/o go to full day kindergarten to teach them some life lessons. Great parenting. Gold Star.

What about use the resources available to everyone to maximize your child’s chance of success and use the extra year to work on the thing your kid— your individual, idiosyncratic kid— would benefit most from?

I’m parent of the September daughter who will spend her “extra” preK year in an outdoor program. Why? Because she’s already academically advanced and doesn’t need more math and sciences, she needs another year in her second language and she needs another year of cooperative play with kids who are bigger and stronger than her to work on her social skills and problem solving.

That’s what my kid needs. Your kid probably needs something different. I expect you would know what that is and seek it out for them.

If she is advanced you are doing her a disservice by holding her back. Your excuses make no sense as she can get that in K.

Most kids by age three and four are in full day preschools or day cares so if your child did these, the school or you failed them if they are not ready for k.

You know what she can’t get? More than 30 minutes outside all day or an age-appropriate nap if she wants it. Four year olds don’t need to be sitting in classrooms all day.

5 year olds don’t nap. And, you can take her outside before school, after school weekends or evening. See how that works?

Sure, I can. Or I can let her spend 4+ hours per day outdoors and gain more facility in her second language, and grow physically and emotionally for another year, just like she would if she had been born a few days later.

You go ahead and send your four year old to sit in a classroom counting buttons and beans getting 30 minutes for recess.
I’m sure on balance they’ll be fine. I don’t consider that the more optimal environment for my child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I get a little bitter about it with my developmentally delayed May bday boy who will be starting K in early August. Because he has an IEP, he needs to start K on time, or else he loses his services. I do wish that, where at-will redshirting is allowed, special needs kids could be included.

Why would you be bitter? You son is getting what he needs. You can red shirt too and use your own insurance/funds to pay for additional services. People that red shirt have to pay for another year of day care or they have to pay or take time to tutor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who are you people so hung up on this? I have a first grader and have no clue when her classmates’ birthdays are or their exact age, nor do I care. Same thing in kinder. Just mind your own business and focus on your own child and family

Only the crazy people are hung up on it. I have a young spring birthday kid and I can’t imagine thinking the way some of these anti-redshirters do. I don’t view kindergarten as some sort of educational Thunderdome the way the anti-redshirters do.

Apparently, you do view kindergarten as some sort of educational thunderdome as well as the redshirters. Otherwise, there would be no redshirters.

I didn’t redshirt. One of my kids is a young spring birthday. I fail to see how I see kindergarten as an educational Thunderdome when I don’t care what anyone else does, whether they redshirt or not. Maniacally keeping tabs on the ages of everyone in the class is the purview of the crazy competitive anti-redshirters, not the rest of us.

But in any event, thanks for adding to the overwhelming evidence that the anti-redshirters are nuts.

Could you use any more hyperbole?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get a little bitter about it with my developmentally delayed May bday boy who will be starting K in early August. Because he has an IEP, he needs to start K on time, or else he loses his services. I do wish that, where at-will redshirting is allowed, special needs kids could be included.

Those are the ones who should be allowed to red-shirt. It is abused by parents for selfish reasons.

What are you talking about? The refrain from anti-redshirters is to always send everyone on time so they get the services they need in school. Are you now admitting that redshirting can be helpful for some kids?

For severely developmental delays, dummy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Being a preemie is the only legit medical reason I can think of for extreme redshirting in a mainstream classroom. The other reasons people give for extreme redshirting (holding back a May bday in a district with a Sept cutoff) are best addressed in a special ed classroom. Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to game the system.

What are you doing to actually help your kid? Prepare your kid for the road, not the road for the kid by clearing all the obstacles. There will always be someone bigger, smarter, older, etc. That's life.

Yeah definitely make your 4 y/o go to full day kindergarten to teach them some life lessons. Great parenting. Gold Star.

What about use the resources available to everyone to maximize your child’s chance of success and use the extra year to work on the thing your kid— your individual, idiosyncratic kid— would benefit most from?

I’m parent of the September daughter who will spend her “extra” preK year in an outdoor program. Why? Because she’s already academically advanced and doesn’t need more math and sciences, she needs another year in her second language and she needs another year of cooperative play with kids who are bigger and stronger than her to work on her social skills and problem solving.

That’s what my kid needs. Your kid probably needs something different. I expect you would know what that is and seek it out for them.

lol at an academically advanced 4 year old. If she’s that advanced she should go to k on time. Lmao.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Being a preemie is the only legit medical reason I can think of for extreme redshirting in a mainstream classroom. The other reasons people give for extreme redshirting (holding back a May bday in a district with a Sept cutoff) are best addressed in a special ed classroom. Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to game the system.

What are you doing to actually help your kid? Prepare your kid for the road, not the road for the kid by clearing all the obstacles. There will always be someone bigger, smarter, older, etc. That's life.

Yeah definitely make your 4 y/o go to full day kindergarten to teach them some life lessons. Great parenting. Gold Star.

What about use the resources available to everyone to maximize your child’s chance of success and use the extra year to work on the thing your kid— your individual, idiosyncratic kid— would benefit most from?

I’m parent of the September daughter who will spend her “extra” preK year in an outdoor program. Why? Because she’s already academically advanced and doesn’t need more math and sciences, she needs another year in her second language and she needs another year of cooperative play with kids who are bigger and stronger than her to work on her social skills and problem solving.

That’s what my kid needs. Your kid probably needs something different. I expect you would know what that is and seek it out for them.

lol at an academically advanced 4 year old. If she’s that advanced she should go to k on time. Lmao.

Why? She can already write her name and count and spell and she’ll be reading by the summer. That’s not special or abnormal in our family.

Why should she sit indoors all day to learn skills she will already have while fighting all the natural immature tendencies of a four year old? I don’t understand how that makes any sense as a learning environment for her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Being a preemie is the only legit medical reason I can think of for extreme redshirting in a mainstream classroom. The other reasons people give for extreme redshirting (holding back a May bday in a district with a Sept cutoff) are best addressed in a special ed classroom. Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to game the system.

What are you doing to actually help your kid? Prepare your kid for the road, not the road for the kid by clearing all the obstacles. There will always be someone bigger, smarter, older, etc. That's life.

Yeah definitely make your 4 y/o go to full day kindergarten to teach them some life lessons. Great parenting. Gold Star.

What about use the resources available to everyone to maximize your child’s chance of success and use the extra year to work on the thing your kid— your individual, idiosyncratic kid— would benefit most from?

I’m parent of the September daughter who will spend her “extra” preK year in an outdoor program. Why? Because she’s already academically advanced and doesn’t need more math and sciences, she needs another year in her second language and she needs another year of cooperative play with kids who are bigger and stronger than her to work on her social skills and problem solving.

That’s what my kid needs. Your kid probably needs something different. I expect you would know what that is and seek it out for them.

lol at an academically advanced 4 year old. If she’s that advanced she should go to k on time. Lmao.

Why? She can develop in other areas. I would absolutely keep my sept child home another year, regardless of their academic ability, if their birthday fell before the district’s cut off date. Growing up and progressing through K-12 is more than just meeting minimum state curriculum academic standards.

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Anonymous wrote:Who are you people so hung up on this? I have a first grader and have no clue when her classmates’ birthdays are or their exact age, nor do I care. Same thing in kinder. Just mind your own business and focus on your own child and family

Only the crazy people are hung up on it. I have a young spring birthday kid and I can’t imagine thinking the way some of these anti-redshirters do. I don’t view kindergarten as some sort of educational Thunderdome the way the anti-redshirters do.

Apparently, you do view kindergarten as some sort of educational thunderdome as well as the redshirters. Otherwise, there would be no redshirters.

NP. Nope. I redshirted my child because I wanted him to be in the best position to learn. Not to win at kindergarten. You seem to be against redshirting because you feel like it puts your little darling at a competitive disadvantage. You definitely win the Thunderdome prize.

Learning is not a finite resource. That’s why the schools give you the flexibility to start your kid when you feel they are most ready to learn, because the end goal is not to win - it’s for them to absorb the curriculum and learn.

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Anonymous wrote:Who are you people so hung up on this? I have a first grader and have no clue when her classmates’ birthdays are or their exact age, nor do I care. Same thing in kinder. Just mind your own business and focus on your own child and family

Only the crazy people are hung up on it. I have a young spring birthday kid and I can’t imagine thinking the way some of these anti-redshirters do. I don’t view kindergarten as some sort of educational Thunderdome the way the anti-redshirters do.

Apparently, you do view kindergarten as some sort of educational thunderdome as well as the redshirters. Otherwise, there would be no redshirters.

I didn’t redshirt. One of my kids is a young spring birthday. I fail to see how I see kindergarten as an educational Thunderdome when I don’t care what anyone else does, whether they redshirt or not. Maniacally keeping tabs on the ages of everyone in the class is the purview of the crazy competitive anti-redshirters, not the rest of us.

But in any event, thanks for adding to the overwhelming evidence that the anti-redshirters are nuts.

Could you use any more hyperbole?

pp is not wrong tho

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who are you people so hung up on this? I have a first grader and have no clue when her classmates’ birthdays are or their exact age, nor do I care. Same thing in kinder. Just mind your own business and focus on your own child and family

Only the crazy people are hung up on it. I have a young spring birthday kid and I can’t imagine thinking the way some of these anti-redshirters do. I don’t view kindergarten as some sort of educational Thunderdome the way the anti-redshirters do.

Apparently, you do view kindergarten as some sort of educational thunderdome as well as the redshirters. Otherwise, there would be no redshirters.

NP. Nope. I redshirted my child because I wanted him to be in the best position to learn. Not to win at kindergarten. You seem to be against redshirting because you feel like it puts your little darling at a competitive disadvantage. You definitely win the Thunderdome prize.

Learning is not a finite resource. That’s why the schools give you the flexibility to start your kid when you feel they are most ready to learn, because the end goal is not to win - it’s for them to absorb the curriculum and learn.

That’s fine with me as long as school sports and academic contests and grading are age based. You should be fine with that, right? Since you don’t care about your Larlo ever beating anyone at anything, he’s just there to learn?