Why don’t schools make you just through some hoops for redshirting?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that you should need a doctors note to not send a four year old to all day kindergarten absolutely defies description.

When I was a child kindergarten was a half day for the first six months and I went home and ate lunch and napped. At five.

A good pediatrician would laugh you out of their office if you said that needed a “diagnosis” at four much less a neuropsychiatric work up. Are you even listening to yourself above the shrieking?

Except literally no one is suggesting sending a 4 year old to all day kindergarten. This thread states up front that redshirting kids with birthdays close to the cutoff (which is how you wind up with 4 year olds who are technically eligible for kindergarten, because they have August or September birthdays and will turn 5 in the first month of school) should obviously be allowed to redshirt due to age.

This thread is exclusively about late redshirters -- kids with winter or spring birthdays, who are well over the age of 5 by the time K starts. And the suggestion is that for kids in this range (some of whom may indeed benefit from redshirting) there should be some kind of document reason for redshirting since it will result in some kids turning 7 during K (the scenario OP describes) and that could have a negative impact on other kids in class.

Not a single person in this thread has suggested that parents should have to explain why they don't want to start their 4 yr old in K. Not one. We are talking about parents who want to redshirt their 5.5 year old and have them start K at 6.5 instead.

Except literally every single person saying “send on time or get a doctors note” which if you look through this thread is prolific. “On time” means sending a September 29th 4 Y/o to be 4 for the first six weeks of school. That is much more irrational then sending a kid to turn 6 in that same timeframe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Being a preemie is the only legit medical reason I can think of for extreme redshirting in a mainstream classroom. The other reasons people give for extreme redshirting (holding back a May bday in a district with a Sept cutoff) are best addressed in a special ed classroom. Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to game the system.

Okay crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Being a preemie is the only legit medical reason I can think of for extreme redshirting in a mainstream classroom. The other reasons people give for extreme redshirting (holding back a May bday in a district with a Sept cutoff) are best addressed in a special ed classroom. Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to game the system.

😂 Well, if batshit DCUM antiredshirter (who I’m pretty sure at this point is Natural Law Lady) says it, it must be true!

You are not in charge of any of this, and your opinion does not matter. So, as the kids say: stay mad. Parents will keep making educational decisions for their kids without taking your super-important opinion into account. And the world will keep turning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Being a preemie is the only legit medical reason I can think of for extreme redshirting in a mainstream classroom. The other reasons people give for extreme redshirting (holding back a May bday in a district with a Sept cutoff) are best addressed in a special ed classroom. Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to game the system.

What are you doing to actually help your kid? Prepare your kid for the road, not the road for the kid by clearing all the obstacles. There will always be someone bigger, smarter, older, etc. That's life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Being a preemie is the only legit medical reason I can think of for extreme redshirting in a mainstream classroom. The other reasons people give for extreme redshirting (holding back a May bday in a district with a Sept cutoff) are best addressed in a special ed classroom. Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to game the system.

What are you doing to actually help your kid? Prepare your kid for the road, not the road for the kid by clearing all the obstacles. There will always be someone bigger, smarter, older, etc. That's life.

Yeah definitely make your 4 y/o go to full day kindergarten to teach them some life lessons. Great parenting. Gold Star.

What about use the resources available to everyone to maximize your child’s chance of success and use the extra year to work on the thing your kid— your individual, idiosyncratic kid— would benefit most from?

I’m parent of the September daughter who will spend her “extra” preK year in an outdoor program. Why? Because she’s already academically advanced and doesn’t need more math and sciences, she needs another year in her second language and she needs another year of cooperative play with kids who are bigger and stronger than her to work on her social skills and problem solving.

That’s what my kid needs. Your kid probably needs something different. I expect you would know what that is and seek it out for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Being a preemie is the only legit medical reason I can think of for extreme redshirting in a mainstream classroom. The other reasons people give for extreme redshirting (holding back a May bday in a district with a Sept cutoff) are best addressed in a special ed classroom. Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to game the system.

What are you doing to actually help your kid? Prepare your kid for the road, not the road for the kid by clearing all the obstacles. There will always be someone bigger, smarter, older, etc. That's life.

Yeah definitely make your 4 y/o go to full day kindergarten to teach them some life lessons. Great parenting. Gold Star.

What about use the resources available to everyone to maximize your child’s chance of success and use the extra year to work on the thing your kid— your individual, idiosyncratic kid— would benefit most from?

I’m parent of the September daughter who will spend her “extra” preK year in an outdoor program. Why? Because she’s already academically advanced and doesn’t need more math and sciences, she needs another year in her second language and she needs another year of cooperative play with kids who are bigger and stronger than her to work on her social skills and problem solving.

That’s what my kid needs. Your kid probably needs something different. I expect you would know what that is and seek it out for them.

No shit, sherlock. I redshirted one of my kids. I don’t whine and complain and look over my shoulder at what everyone else is doing. Or teach my kid to bully kids based on their birthday. We mind our business. Crying that everyone else is cheating or doesn’t have legit reasons helps no one, especially your own kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Being a preemie is the only legit medical reason I can think of for extreme redshirting in a mainstream classroom. The other reasons people give for extreme redshirting (holding back a May bday in a district with a Sept cutoff) are best addressed in a special ed classroom. Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to game the system.

What are you doing to actually help your kid? Prepare your kid for the road, not the road for the kid by clearing all the obstacles. There will always be someone bigger, smarter, older, etc. That's life.

Yeah definitely make your 4 y/o go to full day kindergarten to teach them some life lessons. Great parenting. Gold Star.

What about use the resources available to everyone to maximize your child’s chance of success and use the extra year to work on the thing your kid— your individual, idiosyncratic kid— would benefit most from?

I’m parent of the September daughter who will spend her “extra” preK year in an outdoor program. Why? Because she’s already academically advanced and doesn’t need more math and sciences, she needs another year in her second language and she needs another year of cooperative play with kids who are bigger and stronger than her to work on her social skills and problem solving.

That’s what my kid needs. Your kid probably needs something different. I expect you would know what that is and seek it out for them.

If she is advanced you are doing her a disservice by holding her back. Your excuses make no sense as she can get that in K.

Most kids by age three and four are in full day preschools or day cares so if your child did these, the school or you failed them if they are not ready for k.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Being a preemie is the only legit medical reason I can think of for extreme redshirting in a mainstream classroom. The other reasons people give for extreme redshirting (holding back a May bday in a district with a Sept cutoff) are best addressed in a special ed classroom. Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to game the system.

What are you doing to actually help your kid? Prepare your kid for the road, not the road for the kid by clearing all the obstacles. There will always be someone bigger, smarter, older, etc. That's life.

Yeah definitely make your 4 y/o go to full day kindergarten to teach them some life lessons. Great parenting. Gold Star.

What about use the resources available to everyone to maximize your child’s chance of success and use the extra year to work on the thing your kid— your individual, idiosyncratic kid— would benefit most from?

I’m parent of the September daughter who will spend her “extra” preK year in an outdoor program. Why? Because she’s already academically advanced and doesn’t need more math and sciences, she needs another year in her second language and she needs another year of cooperative play with kids who are bigger and stronger than her to work on her social skills and problem solving.

That’s what my kid needs. Your kid probably needs something different. I expect you would know what that is and seek it out for them.

No shit, sherlock. I redshirted one of my kids. I don’t whine and complain and look over my shoulder at what everyone else is doing. Or teach my kid to bully kids based on their birthday. We mind our business. Crying that everyone else is cheating or doesn’t have legit reasons helps no one, especially your own kid.

And, yet here you are bullying others to hold back their kids to justify your bad decision.

[Anonymous]

Who are you people so hung up on this? I have a first grader and have no clue when her classmates’ birthdays are or their exact age, nor do I care. Same thing in kinder. Just mind your own business and focus on your own child and family

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Being a preemie is the only legit medical reason I can think of for extreme redshirting in a mainstream classroom. The other reasons people give for extreme redshirting (holding back a May bday in a district with a Sept cutoff) are best addressed in a special ed classroom. Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to game the system.

What are you doing to actually help your kid? Prepare your kid for the road, not the road for the kid by clearing all the obstacles. There will always be someone bigger, smarter, older, etc. That's life.

Yeah definitely make your 4 y/o go to full day kindergarten to teach them some life lessons. Great parenting. Gold Star.

What about use the resources available to everyone to maximize your child’s chance of success and use the extra year to work on the thing your kid— your individual, idiosyncratic kid— would benefit most from?

I’m parent of the September daughter who will spend her “extra” preK year in an outdoor program. Why? Because she’s already academically advanced and doesn’t need more math and sciences, she needs another year in her second language and she needs another year of cooperative play with kids who are bigger and stronger than her to work on her social skills and problem solving.

That’s what my kid needs. Your kid probably needs something different. I expect you would know what that is and seek it out for them.

If she is advanced you are doing her a disservice by holding her back. Your excuses make no sense as she can get that in K.

Most kids by age three and four are in full day preschools or day cares so if your child did these, the school or you failed them if they are not ready for k.

Thanks for your unsolicited views about my parenting I’m very glad you’re not in a position of real authority and that the law reserves these decisions to parents not internet spectators.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Being a preemie is the only legit medical reason I can think of for extreme redshirting in a mainstream classroom. The other reasons people give for extreme redshirting (holding back a May bday in a district with a Sept cutoff) are best addressed in a special ed classroom. Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to game the system.

What are you doing to actually help your kid? Prepare your kid for the road, not the road for the kid by clearing all the obstacles. There will always be someone bigger, smarter, older, etc. That's life.

Yeah definitely make your 4 y/o go to full day kindergarten to teach them some life lessons. Great parenting. Gold Star.

What about use the resources available to everyone to maximize your child’s chance of success and use the extra year to work on the thing your kid— your individual, idiosyncratic kid— would benefit most from?

I’m parent of the September daughter who will spend her “extra” preK year in an outdoor program. Why? Because she’s already academically advanced and doesn’t need more math and sciences, she needs another year in her second language and she needs another year of cooperative play with kids who are bigger and stronger than her to work on her social skills and problem solving.

That’s what my kid needs. Your kid probably needs something different. I expect you would know what that is and seek it out for them.

No shit, sherlock. I redshirted one of my kids. I don’t whine and complain and look over my shoulder at what everyone else is doing. Or teach my kid to bully kids based on their birthday. We mind our business. Crying that everyone else is cheating or doesn’t have legit reasons helps no one, especially your own kid.

And, yet here you are bullying others to hold back their kids to justify your bad decision.

You know it's not bad, otherwise you wouldn't be so against it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who are you people so hung up on this? I have a first grader and have no clue when her classmates’ birthdays are or their exact age, nor do I care. Same thing in kinder. Just mind your own business and focus on your own child and family

Only the crazy people are hung up on it. I have a young spring birthday kid and I can’t imagine thinking the way some of these anti-redshirters do. I don’t view kindergarten as some sort of educational Thunderdome the way the anti-redshirters do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who are you people so hung up on this? I have a first grader and have no clue when her classmates’ birthdays are or their exact age, nor do I care. Same thing in kinder. Just mind your own business and focus on your own child and family

Only the crazy people are hung up on it. I have a young spring birthday kid and I can’t imagine thinking the way some of these anti-redshirters do. I don’t view kindergarten as some sort of educational Thunderdome the way the anti-redshirters do.

Apparently, you do view kindergarten as some sort of educational thunderdome as well as the redshirters. Otherwise, there would be no redshirters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Being a preemie is the only legit medical reason I can think of for extreme redshirting in a mainstream classroom. The other reasons people give for extreme redshirting (holding back a May bday in a district with a Sept cutoff) are best addressed in a special ed classroom. Anyone saying otherwise is just trying to game the system.

What are you doing to actually help your kid? Prepare your kid for the road, not the road for the kid by clearing all the obstacles. There will always be someone bigger, smarter, older, etc. That's life.

Yeah definitely make your 4 y/o go to full day kindergarten to teach them some life lessons. Great parenting. Gold Star.

What about use the resources available to everyone to maximize your child’s chance of success and use the extra year to work on the thing your kid— your individual, idiosyncratic kid— would benefit most from?

I’m parent of the September daughter who will spend her “extra” preK year in an outdoor program. Why? Because she’s already academically advanced and doesn’t need more math and sciences, she needs another year in her second language and she needs another year of cooperative play with kids who are bigger and stronger than her to work on her social skills and problem solving.

That’s what my kid needs. Your kid probably needs something different. I expect you would know what that is and seek it out for them.

If she is advanced you are doing her a disservice by holding her back. Your excuses make no sense as she can get that in K.

Most kids by age three and four are in full day preschools or day cares so if your child did these, the school or you failed them if they are not ready for k.

Thanks for your unsolicited views about my parenting I’m very glad you’re not in a position of real authority and that the law reserves these decisions to parents not internet spectators.

If the law did, it wouldn’t be allowed.

[Anonymous]

I get a little bitter about it with my developmentally delayed May bday boy who will be starting K in early August. Because he has an IEP, he needs to start K on time, or else he loses his services. I do wish that, where at-will redshirting is allowed, special needs kids could be included.