Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

[Anonymous]

Per TMZ, Joe said the judge ruled that the kids have to stay in the US for the time being.

[Anonymous]

That filing is damning, the kids really seem to be residents of the UK

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Anonymous wrote:Per TMZ, Joe said the judge ruled that the kids have to stay in the US for the time being.

Florida doesn’t have jurisdiction though

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Anonymous wrote:Per TMZ, Joe said the judge ruled that the kids have to stay in the US for the time being.

Florida doesn’t have jurisdiction though

I think they do, since he filed for divorce first and filed in Florida. I'm sure that was a legal tactic.
At any rate, this will be quite the "he said she said." Since they have spent most of their lives in the US, she will have a tough case? I suppose she can document she's been the primary parent until a few months ago though. So complicated!

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As I said much earlier in this thread, I would never marry someone from another country. For this EXACT reason.

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Anonymous wrote:As I said much earlier in this thread, I would never marry someone from another country. For this EXACT reason.

That's easy to say when you haven't fallen madly in love with someone from another country. She in particular was young and in love, and not thinking clearly. Also they saw Nick and Priyanka were able to work it out.

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Anonymous wrote:Per TMZ, Joe said the judge ruled that the kids have to stay in the US for the time being.

Florida doesn’t have jurisdiction though

She filed in SDNY federal court. Gonna trump Florida state court.

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Anonymous wrote:Sophie’s filing:
https://www.scribd.com/document/672750407/Sophie-Turner-Joe-Jonas

That's a pretty compelling set of facts in favor of Sophie Turner.

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Anonymous wrote:Per TMZ, Joe said the judge ruled that the kids have to stay in the US for the time being.

It's not a recent ruling though, and predates Sophie's filing. It's based exclusively on Joe's divorce filing and simply states that neither parent may remove the child from the country. It is likely part of the boilerplate order that the judge would issue in any divorce case involving children, in the same way that a judge would tell a defendant in a bail proceeding that they may not leave the country.

Joe is trying to make it sound like Sophie tried to take them out of the country and a judge said no. That's not what happened.

There is a very serious difference in their stories regarding what occurred in the last three months. Sophie claims Joe took the kids out of the UK without her permission. That's a very serious allegation and while it might not be the whole story, I question whether she would make that allegation without some proof. It's a big deal and the kind of thing that can lose a parent custody altogether.

Joe claims that Sophie was aware of what was happening and that he had the kids per a mutual agreement. Directly contradictory.

They are also contradicting each other on how the divorce came about, with Joe saying it unfolded over a longer period and was a surprise to neither of them, and Sophie saying she didn't know he'd even filed until it came out in the press and that he was making decisions about the kids without her. There are clear reasons why each of these stories benefit their respective cases -- if it was a surprise, Sophie's allegation that the kids and Joe were living in the UK with her makes more sense, but if the marriage had been falling apart for a while, Joes's story that they merely visited Sophie for a bit before returning to the US is more plausible.

I tend to think Sophie has more evidence in her favor because of the decision to sell the Miami house and the choice to acquire a home (albeit a rental) in the UK, plus if it's true her daughter was enrolled in nursery school in the UK, this backs her version of events. I also think Joe might have shot himself in the foot here because right after he filed, he (or someone close to him) leaked news that the decision to file for divorce was made somewhat suddenly after he saw something on a home security camera. I guess it depends what he saw, but this contradicts his own story that the marriage had been in decline for a time and that Sophie knew he was filing.

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Sophie admits Joe had permission to bring the kids to the US for a vacation in August. And per mutual agreement she was going to bring them home in Sept. Then they had a massive fight August 15.

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I tend to think Sophie has more evidence in her favor because of the decision to sell the Miami house and the choice to acquire a home (albeit a rental) in the UK, plus if it's true her daughter was enrolled in nursery school in the UK, this backs her version of events. I also think Joe might have shot himself in the foot here because right after he filed, he (or someone close to him) leaked news that the decision to file for divorce was made somewhat suddenly after he saw something on a home security camera. I guess it depends what he saw, but this contradicts his own story that the marriage had been in decline for a time and that Sophie knew he was filing.

They went initially to a rental, but Sophie alleges that they "exchanged contracts with the sellers to purchase the [Little Stoke House] property on July 7, 2023, with the completion date scheduled for December 2, 2023." Sure sounds like they intended the move to be permanent!

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Looks like she’s got some local attorneys handling this for her. Any opinions on why they are DC based and not NY?

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Anonymous wrote:

I tend to think Sophie has more evidence in her favor because of the decision to sell the Miami house and the choice to acquire a home (albeit a rental) in the UK, plus if it's true her daughter was enrolled in nursery school in the UK, this backs her version of events. I also think Joe might have shot himself in the foot here because right after he filed, he (or someone close to him) leaked news that the decision to file for divorce was made somewhat suddenly after he saw something on a home security camera. I guess it depends what he saw, but this contradicts his own story that the marriage had been in decline for a time and that Sophie knew he was filing.

They went initially to a rental, but Sophie alleges that they "exchanged contracts with the sellers to purchase the [Little Stoke House] property on July 7, 2023, with the completion date scheduled for December 2, 2023." Sure sounds like they intended the move to be permanent!

Yes, just read her filing. It is FILLED with receipts. It says the started house hunting for a permanent home in the UK in Dec. 2022 and notes they toured multiple properties, together, between Dec. '22 and Jul. '23, when they went under contract for Little Stoke House. It makes no sense that they'd be touring properties and then go under contract in July if they were planning on splitting up at that point.

The filing also lays out everywhere the family has lived in the last year, and it only includes three short stays at the Miami house -- three weeks last Nov/Dec, a month in Jan/Feb, and a little over 2 weeks in Feb/Mar. That's it. They put that house on the market in March and it sold in April, so Joe filing for divorce in Florida is like... what? I don't see any way whatsoever that the Florida court retains jurisdiction, especially because they only bought that Miami house in 2021.

The narrative in Sophie's filing is obviously very favorable to her and may be a bit of a spin (the stuff about them looking for their "forever home" in the UK, and some of the assertions about exactly how August/September were supposed to go in terms of custody are the parts where I think they may have embellished a bit). But based purely on facts for which there must be receipts, witnesses, contracts, etc., she outlines a very strong case for the idea that they moved to the UK with the kids in April and that Joe just kind of reneged on that deal after some kind of inciting incident in mid-august. It looks very bad for him.

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Anonymous wrote:Per TMZ, Joe said the judge ruled that the kids have to stay in the US for the time being.

It's not a recent ruling though, and predates Sophie's filing. It's based exclusively on Joe's divorce filing and simply states that neither parent may remove the child from the country. It is likely part of the boilerplate order that the judge would issue in any divorce case involving children, in the same way that a judge would tell a defendant in a bail proceeding that they may not leave the country.

Joe is trying to make it sound like Sophie tried to take them out of the country and a judge said no. That's not what happened.

There is a very serious difference in their stories regarding what occurred in the last three months. Sophie claims Joe took the kids out of the UK without her permission. That's a very serious allegation and while it might not be the whole story, I question whether she would make that allegation without some proof. It's a big deal and the kind of thing that can lose a parent custody altogether.

Joe claims that Sophie was aware of what was happening and that he had the kids per a mutual agreement. Directly contradictory.

They are also contradicting each other on how the divorce came about, with Joe saying it unfolded over a longer period and was a surprise to neither of them, and Sophie saying she didn't know he'd even filed until it came out in the press and that he was making decisions about the kids without her. There are clear reasons why each of these stories benefit their respective cases -- if it was a surprise, Sophie's allegation that the kids and Joe were living in the UK with her makes more sense, but if the marriage had been falling apart for a while, Joes's story that they merely visited Sophie for a bit before returning to the US is more plausible.

I tend to think Sophie has more evidence in her favor because of the decision to sell the Miami house and the choice to acquire a home (albeit a rental) in the UK, plus if it's true her daughter was enrolled in nursery school in the UK, this backs her version of events. I also think Joe might have shot himself in the foot here because right after he filed, he (or someone close to him) leaked news that the decision to file for divorce was made somewhat suddenly after he saw something on a home security camera. I guess it depends what he saw, but this contradicts his own story that the marriage had been in decline for a time and that Sophie knew he was filing.

They might have had an agreement to live in one country for a few years and then England for another few years. Who knows if they had really talked about settling in one place forever.

It’s also irrelevant since the marriage dissolved before they could establish a residence in the UK anyway. From a legal standpoint intent means very little. They have no established residence in the UK and seems unlikely that Sophie can just move them there. I really wonder what a judge is going to rule.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like she’s got some local attorneys handling this for her. Any opinions on why they are DC based and not NY?

I believe Stephen Cullen is well regarded in these Hague Convention child abduction cases.