Florida bans AP African-American Studies course from schools

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Anonymous wrote:Question: Did Desantis pick apart all AP curricula? Or did he just examine the AA one?

My point is that we will not know about other curricula pushing opinion unless we open them up too. Is the Chinese Language and Culture AP making negative statements about communism? Is so, that would be wrong, and it should be pulled.

Wait, you think it is wrong to acknowledge that the US has never been a place of equality and liberty for ALL of its inhabitants? The truth hurts too much to learn and become better?

DP. Those weren't the controversial parts of the AA Studies class. What point are you trying to make?

They are only controversial to white people of privilege who have used their power to degrade the class experience.

The fact you cannot understand the point made previously is a tell.

See, that's the propaganda which is your right to believe but not to teach in public schools.

Thanks Florida! Looks like AP just got rid of the bs to preserve the AA Studies part.

It is an elective.

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Anonymous wrote:Question: Did Desantis pick apart all AP curricula? Or did he just examine the AA one?

My point is that we will not know about other curricula pushing opinion unless we open them up too. Is the Chinese Language and Culture AP making negative statements about communism? Is so, that would be wrong, and it should be pulled.

Wait, you think it is wrong to acknowledge that the US has never been a place of equality and liberty for ALL of its inhabitants? The truth hurts too much to learn and become better?

DP. Those weren't the controversial parts of the AA Studies class. What point are you trying to make?

They are only controversial to white people of privilege who have used their power to degrade the class experience.

The fact you cannot understand the point made previously is a tell.

See, that's the propaganda which is your right to believe but not to teach in public schools.

Thanks Florida! Looks like AP just got rid of the bs to preserve the AA Studies part.

It is an elective.

Electives need to meet educational requirements too. That's why AP had to walk back and drop the intersectional blahblah that shouldn't have been there to begin with.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people so afraid of learning the non-White washed history of our country? I get it's ugly and grotesque and hard to imagine that this is the foundation we were built on, but it's accurate and it's untaught. How many of you knew about Tulsa and Black Wall Street until let's say the last 10 years? Most of us didn't, because **we weren't taught the actual history of our country.** We were taught what the throngs of white men decided we should know. This class and others like it are taking a critical look at *actual* history, and *actual experiences* of Black people in our country. If you don't want to learn about it, it's so frickin' simple to not take the class. But it's just as much an "agenda," if not more so, to remove the curriculum entirely than it is to simply let people who are interested take the frickin' class.

I'm 54. I absolutely learned all about the Tulsa massacre in school. My kids have learned about it as well. Why? Because it's a factual part of our history and as such, taught in history classes. The "queer experience" is something that ALL races experience. It's not specific to black people, nor should it be taught in history class. Gender studies? Sure.

I’m also in my mid-50’s, grew up in the midwest, have family ties to Oklahoma, and first heard of the Tulsa massacre around 15 years ago.

And what a weird take that the experience of queer black Americans isn’t something to study in an African American history class. Are they black? Yes? Did they have a different experience than straight black Americans? Why is that something to avoid discussing? Are classes also not supposed to mention what black women experienced in terms of rape by white men?

Is the "queer experience" discussed in any other AP class? NO? Then, as previously stated, an AP Gender Studies class could be proposed. What a weird take that you think only black Americans have experienced these issues. And even weirder that you think it should be explored in a history class.

You're going to be really disappointed to learn that the Gay Rights Movement is covered in AP US History. Shhhh, don't tell DeSantis. the former high school history teacher

https://library.fiveable.me/apush/unit-8/expansion-of-civil-rights-movement/study-guide/4JIzz1rguSts5wCf7Odr

No one is arguing that historical movements or individuals should not be included in a history class. But teaching "Queer Theory" is not history, and it is controversial and does go against many people's religions, including Blacks. Isn't there any humility about what GOVERNMENT schools should teach?

"which challenge the notion that heterosexual desire is ‘normal’.[2] Following social constructivist developments in sociology, queer theorists are often critical of what they consider essentialist views of sexuality and gender. Instead, they study those concepts as social and cultural phenomena, often through an analysis of the categories, binaries, and language in which they are said to be portrayed."
- another APUSH teacher

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Question: Did Desantis pick apart all AP curricula? Or did he just examine the AA one?

My point is that we will not know about other curricula pushing opinion unless we open them up too. Is the Chinese Language and Culture AP making negative statements about communism? Is so, that would be wrong, and it should be pulled.

Actually, I think it is a lot more likely that China funds the course and it is used to brainwash the people in the class.

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Well done Florida!!

You are probably the same person who would scream about Campus Free Expression. All of those subjects are discussed in the Black community. The class is about the discussion, not indocrination.

Don’t speak for “the black community.” Queer theory belongs in an LGBT program, not snuck into a Black history course. I dont know a single Black parent not on some LGBT nonprofit’s payroll who disapproves these changes. They should have kept BLM, but it’s NBD honestly. Black history is more than what white progressives care about. I even like the part on Black conservatives. They’re part of Black history too whether or not you like it. This program is much better than the kitchen sink foolishness Desantis torpedoed. He might not have had good motives, but the effect of his objections is good.

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Well done Florida!!

You are probably the same person who would scream about Campus Free Expression. All of those subjects are discussed in the Black community. The class is about the discussion, not indocrination.

The controversial-and-now-optional subjects are not Black issues, they are progressive issues. It's a bit insulting to tack them onto an AA Studies class, tbh.

All of this. The previous version was Black History According to White People Who Don’t Know Their Place. Keep that nonsense out of AA Studies.

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Well done Florida!!

You are probably the same person who would scream about Campus Free Expression. All of those subjects are discussed in the Black community. The class is about the discussion, not indocrination.

Don’t speak for “the black community.” Queer theory belongs in an LGBT program, not snuck into a Black history course. I dont know a single Black parent not on some LGBT nonprofit’s payroll who disapproves these changes. They should have kept BLM, but it’s NBD honestly. Black history is more than what white progressives care about. I even like the part on Black conservatives. They’re part of Black history too whether or not you like it. This program is much better than the kitchen sink foolishness Desantis torpedoed. He might not have had good motives, but the effect of his objections is good.

He had good motives, he dared to fight, and he broght great results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:this is how authoritarians win

So how are students supposed to have classes that teach the topics that the AP has dropped?

White Power indeed.

You missed the little part about how the college board initially denied it was including CRT instruction within the course, then in this announcement, said they were removing CRT components and authors from the course.


Caught lying.

[Anonymous]

All the authors banned are pretty much basic, foundational authors for thinking about black experience in the US.

Shows how powerful they are that so many are scared by their writings.

[Anonymous]

I find it concerning that LGBT issues get folded in with racial issues as a disguise.
The Respect for Marriage seemed to do just that. There was a very tiny threat to the concept of interracial marriage. However, the LGBT community grabbed it and packaged it along with gay marriage to get the agenda going.
In this case, somehow, understanding African American culture also involves understanding gay issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:this is how authoritarians win

So how are students supposed to have classes that teach the topics that the AP has dropped?

White Power indeed.

You missed the little part about how the college board initially denied it was including CRT instruction within the course, then in this announcement, said they were removing CRT components and authors from the course.


Caught lying.

Yup

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it concerning that LGBT issues get folded in with racial issues as a disguise.
The Respect for Marriage seemed to do just that. There was a very tiny threat to the concept of interracial marriage. However, the LGBT community grabbed it and packaged it along with gay marriage to get the agenda going.
In this case, somehow, understanding African American culture also involves understanding gay issues.

Because of course there are no black gays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the authors banned are pretty much basic, foundational authors for thinking about black experience in the US.

Shows how powerful they are that so many are scared by their writings.

Seriously, how many awards has Ta-Nahisi Coates won?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:this is how authoritarians win

So how are students supposed to have classes that teach the topics that the AP has dropped?

White Power indeed.

You missed the little part about how the college board initially denied it was including CRT instruction within the course, then in this announcement, said they were removing CRT components and authors from the course.


Caught lying.

Please quote the actual phrase where they said “we are cutting CRT from the curriculum.” Verbatim.

See below the statement they put out. Where did they state they were “cutting CRT”?

https://newsroom.collegeboard.org/advanced-placement-program-releases-official-ap-african-american-studies-framework

Oops, were you caught lying?

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Anonymous wrote:All the authors banned are pretty much basic, foundational authors for thinking about black experience in the US.

Shows how powerful they are that so many are scared by their writings.

Seriously, how many awards has Ta-Nahisi Coates won?

He's dumb and a poor writer. There are a million better authors for an AA course.