I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?

[Anonymous]

When you all are talking about all the things you can do with your ID, your privilege is showing - there are millions of Americans who don't drive, who don't fly, who don't take classes etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When you all are talking about all the things you can do with your ID, your privilege is showing - there are millions of Americans who don't drive, who don't fly, who don't take classes etc.

Millions of Americans have no IDs? Can you provide a Citation for that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Following. For example, democrats are stating that Texas is trying to suppress voting because they are restricting drive through 24/7 voting. Um, what? I live in deep blue Maryland and we don’t have 24/7 drive through voting, but democrats are demanding that Texas do it?
And the whole ID thing. You need ID everywhere. FFS you need ID and Vax card to enter a restaurant in DC now!

To flip the question on its head, why do you feel drive through 24/7 voting should be outlawed? I can't think of one. In many parts of the country there was report after report of people stuck waiting for hours to vote. And, a lot of people have difficult work schedules that aren't compatible with typical polling station hours. Texas cities are also notorious for long commute times due to sprawl development. The more flexibility people have to be allowed to cast their vote, the better. How is it good for Democracy to have policies that make it too hard for people to vote?

With regard to ID, actual proven cases of in-person voter fraud are extremely rare and where people have attempted, they have typically been caught or turned away. So you're trying to "solve" a problem that doesn't meaningfully exist. I thought Republicans were against unnecessary laws and regulations. Also, even if you do require ID, why be overly restrictive? Why refuse student IDs? Believe it or not, a lot of urban teens don't drive. Republicans want to restrict it to driver's license or similar state-issued ID but a lot of Americans don't have such an ID. *IF* that's the requirement, then it's a problem. Most DMVs are a mess. It's hell to get an appointment, appointments may be weeks or months out, when you do finally get an appointment, you're typically going to be waiting in line for a couple of hours to have your documents checked, get your photo taken, etc. If you work, it typically means taking a day off work to get it. And, those IDs typically cost money. That's illegal if it's a requirement for voting. If it costs you, in terms of fees to get the ID or loss of income, that would in effect constitute a poll tax, which is illegal. IF they can make getting an acceptable ID FREE and FAST then I'd have no problem with it. You have to fix those DMVs first before demanding those IDs.

I teach a course on US pipeline regulations and I'm required to get a copy of my students DL and anyone that has to get qualified to perform a coveted task on a pipeline has to show a government issued picture ID (note it doesn't say US government) so what's the big deal about showing a government picture id? Don't drive then get a state ID card or concealed carry card or a passport. This is a non-issue!

I have to show a license to buy beer, cigarettes, cough medicine and spray paint for god sake! You can show one to vote.

I feel bad for your students to have such an oblivious teacher.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When you all are talking about all the things you can do with your ID, your privilege is showing - there are millions of Americans who don't drive, who don't fly, who don't take classes etc.

Millions of Americans have no IDs? Can you provide a Citation for that?

Can you read? You failed the logic test. You can’t vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:oh hey, it's a TODAY example...

Yes. Awful. This is the sort of thing Republicans rely on to make sure as few people vote as possible.

Let's face it - where have Republicans ever in the past 50 years gone out of their way to make voting easier for Americans?

Name ONE Republican who has made it his or her mission to help people vote. Just one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:oh hey, it's a TODAY example...

Yes. Awful. This is the sort of thing Republicans rely on to make sure as few people vote as possible.

Let's face it - where have Republicans ever in the past 50 years gone out of their way to make voting easier for Americans?

Name ONE Republican who has made it his or her mission to help people vote. Just one.

This is his main mission. And, he is doing quite well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:oh hey, it's a TODAY example...

Yes. Awful. This is the sort of thing Republicans rely on to make sure as few people vote as possible.

Let's face it - where have Republicans ever in the past 50 years gone out of their way to make voting easier for Americans?

Name ONE Republican who has made it his or her mission to help people vote. Just one.

This is his main mission. And, he is doing quite well.

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One cuckoo clock who will focus on the ways Republicans choose their voters is not someone helping people vote. So there’s not even one Republican who cares about everyone voting? That says everything about the fascism of the GOP.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

So Romney didn’t have any opposition to the voting rights bill, he just needed to be personally coddled? Congrats on limping toward fascism, GOP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Ironically, NASA has quite a bit of trouble launching rockets, which is why they largely outsourced it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The bill being pushed by the Democrats is not a "voting rights" bill.
It is a voting RULES bill. Something the Constitution states that is left to the states to set.

[Anonymous]

Saying the quiet part out loud

“African Americans are voting in just as high a percentage as Americans.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Saying the quiet part out loud

“African Americans are voting in just as high a percentage as Americans.”

Oh Black people are different from “Americans”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree, I have no problem at all with voter ID -

IF it's free,
IF the DMV's are fixed,
IF you can walk in and get your ID the same day,
IF people don't have to take time off from work to get it,
IF people don't have to drive 40 miles to the nearest station to get it,
IF your identity can be established in a way that isn't overly restrictive, with commonly available documents,
IF the state offers free and expedient assistance to people who may have special circumstances, like they lost their birth certificate in a fire

I would be fine with ID if things like that can be met.

There are no states that do not offer free voter ID cards. Most offer mobile stations to issue IDs. Va DMVs offer Sat hours. This is the voter ID registration Virginia used prior. The voter registration form is more complicated. They offer free assistance if you need it. If all else fails, vote by mail. For goodness sake, look into what it takes before going into hysterics people. It really isn't the burden people are making it out to be.

https://www.elections.virginia.gov/media/archive/voter-photo-id/ELECT-404-ID-VoPhoIDCardApp-Long.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree, I have no problem at all with voter ID -

IF it's free,
IF the DMV's are fixed,
IF you can walk in and get your ID the same day,
IF people don't have to take time off from work to get it,
IF people don't have to drive 40 miles to the nearest station to get it,
IF your identity can be established in a way that isn't overly restrictive, with commonly available documents,
IF the state offers free and expedient assistance to people who may have special circumstances, like they lost their birth certificate in a fire

I would be fine with ID if things like that can be met.

There are no states that do not offer free voter ID cards. Most offer mobile stations to issue IDs. Va DMVs offer Sat hours. This is the voter ID registration Virginia used prior. The voter registration form is more complicated. They offer free assistance if you need it. If all else fails, vote by mail. For goodness sake, look into what it takes before going into hysterics people. It really isn't the burden people are making it out to be.

https://www.elections.virginia.gov/media/archive/voter-photo-id/ELECT-404-ID-VoPhoIDCardApp-Long.pdf

Read the whole thread. There are many, many people who voted for decades for whom these new restrictions are a significant burden.