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Anonymous wrote:Washington Latins "model", Boston Latin, is a test in school. Since WL is not, there has been a tension in its mission/vision since it's inception. This is not new. It's the plus and minus of being far more equitable (in one way - lottery based with weighted preferences that are not academic) than BL. If you disagree with that, you would need to change its structure to test in - like a Walls, Ellington, Banneker, TJ or Boston Latin. It is what it is.
I don't agree. This view of how Washington Latin must work--shared by the program's leadership-- is a cop out. Latin's leadership and teachers could offer far more rigor to the most advanced students. At BASIS, another DC charter school,
seniors can't graduate unless they've passed at least half a dozen AP exams.
For example, admins won't permit 5th and 6th graders to take languages other than Latin, although a good many come in from DC public school language immersion programs for Spanish, Chinese and French. Some of the UMC parents of language immersion graduates team up to hire pricey tutors to help kids retain language skills, meaning that it's mostly the former low SES language immersion students at Latin who lose their skills. This policy could easily be changed. Also, math is tracked at Latin in middle school, but not humanities subjects, another policy that could be changed. Social promotion could also be jettisoned to help support more advanced academics.
Latin requires significantly more credits than other DC High Schools in order to graduate. Administration has purposefully chosen which AP classes are offered based on their academic/intellectual value. A teacher not bound by the AP US History course curriculum, for example, has much more leeway to create a meaningful course that's more than a collection of facts to be tested. A thing about Latin is you have to trust the administration and teachers to be professionals and have student's best interests in mind;
with the mission and vision-statement always at the forefront. So far, they have earned my trust--more than the AP momey-making machine has!
Fabulous in theory, not so hot in practice. It's useful for kids to have a clutch of high AP scores under their belts when applying to colleges, no matter what sort of schools they attended.
Just so you know: college admissions offices receive what's know as a school "snap shot" from the high school guidance department with every application. This snapshot lays out the courses available in the school and ranks them according to difficulty. The most difficult course at Latin is not an AP course. College admissions staff want students who have taken the most difficult classes available
at their school and will compare this snapshot with the students' transcripts. A raft of AP's with high scores is not an entrance ticket by any means--money: tutors and a good zip code can buy all that. Have you been through this before?
I work in college admissions and don't agree.
Which course at Latin is tougher than...Physics 2, Physics C Mechanics, Physics C Electricity and Magnetism, BC Calculus, AP languages?
Interviewing applicants for your alma mater does not count as working in admissions.
I concur. I'm an admissions officer at a university in the District. My children attend a DC public charter school.
Cool. And as an admissions officer, you are telling me that you consider the raw number of APs a student takeswithout considering the profile that comes from the high school? Are you telling me a student applying to your school gets dinged in admissions if their school doesn't offer your list: Physics 2, Physics C Mechanics, Physics C Electricity and Magnetism, BC Calculus?
I am not the PP, but I think he thought you were saying that Latin had harder classes than *any* AP class. So he was asking what the magic class was that was harder than the above classes. If Latin doesn't offer any of the above classes, though, then there's obviously a real problem with its difficulty in STEM. Does Latin seriously not offer any of those classes?
And, also, FWIW, a kid will absolutely get credit for taking the hardest courses his school offers AND will absolutely get dinged if the school doesn't have hard enough classes. There's a reason that most schools
get no one into HYPSMC ever and it's not that they have never had a kid capable of it... It's that they don't adequately prepare their kids for admissions. One way they don't do that is that they don't have hard enough courses.
That's not a problem at Latin--hard enough classes, and good record of admissions to HYPSMC . I had to look that up
Not true. For example, none admitted to HYPSMC from Class of 2020.
These are
enrollments--not acceptances. Years 2016 - 2019. 3 years of enrollments. one at Harvard, one at Stanford, more than one at Yale. An open enrollment high school. These enrollments are from around 210 students.
College Enrollment – Classes of 2016-2019
(Bold lettering indicates more than one student enrolled.)
• Alabama A&M University
• Alfred University, NY
• Allegheny College, PA
• Baldwin Wallace Univ., OH
• Comm. Coll. of Baltimore
County, MD
• Barry University, FL
• Bates College, ME
• Beacon College, FL
• Bennett Career Institute, DC
• Berklee Coll. of Music, MA
• Bowdoin College, ME
• Bowie State Univ., MD
• Brandeis University, MA
• CUNY Brooklyn Coll., NY
• Bucknell University, PA
• Carleton College, MN
• Charleston Southern Univ.,
SC
• Clark Atlanta Univ., GA
• College of William & Mary,
VA
• Colorado College
• Cornell University, NY
• Covenant College, GA
• Dartmouth College, NH
• Davidson College, NC
• Delaware State University
• Drexel University, PA
• Eckerd College, FL
• Fayetteville State Univ., NC
• Fisk University, TN
• Florida A&M University
• Franklin & Marshall
College, PA
• George Mason Univ., VA
• Goucher College, MD
• Grambling State Univ., LA
• Guilford College, NC
• Hamilton College, NY
• Hampden-Sydney Coll., VA
• Hampton University, VA
• Harcum College, PA
• Harrisburg Univ. of Science &
Technology, PA
• Harvard College, MA
• Haverford College, PA
• Hood College, MD
• Howard University, DC
• Itasca Comm. College, MN
• Ithaca College, NY
• Johnson & Wales Univ., FL
• Johnson & Wales Univ., RI
• Johnson C. Smith Univ., NC
• Kean University, NJ
• La Salle University, PA
• Laboratory Institute of
Merchandising, NY
• Lawrence University, WI
• Lehigh University, PA
• Lewis & Clark College, OR
• Liberty University, VA
• Louisiana State University
• Loyola Univ. New Orleans
• Macalester College, MN
• Marshall University, WV
• Marymount University, VA
• McDaniel College, MD
• McGill University, CN
• Messiah College, PA
• Miami Dade College, FL
• Miami University, OH
• Michigan State University
• Middlebury College, VT
• Montgomery College, MD
• Morehouse College, GA
• Morgan State Univ., MD
• NYU-Abu Dhabi
• NYU-Shanghai
• Norfolk State Univ., VA
• NC A&T State Univ.
• NC Central Univ.
• NC State Univ.
• Northeastern Univ., MA
• Northern VA Comm. Coll.
• Northwestern University, IL
• Oberlin College, OH
• Oglethorpe University, GA
• Old Dominion Univ., VA
• Pace University, NY
• Pennsylvania State Univ.
• Pomona College, CA
• Prince George’s CC, MD
• Rochester Institute of
Technology, NY
• Saint Louis University, MO
• Savannah College of Art &
Design, GA
• Shepherd University, WV
• Southern IL. Univ.-
Carbondale
• Southern New Hampshire
Univ.
• Spelman College, GA
• St. John’s College, MD
• St. John’s University, NY
• Stanford University, CA
• SUNY Cortland, NY
• Swarthmore College, PA
• Syracuse University, NY
• Temple University, PA
• Temple University Japan
• The American Univ. of Rome
• The Catholic University of
America, DC
• The College of New Jersey
• The George Washington
University, DC
• The Lincoln Univ. of PA
• Trinity University in
Washington, D.C.
• Tufts University, MA
• Union College, NY
• US Air Force Academy
• US Coast Guard
• US Navy
• University of Chicago, IL
• Univ. of Colorado-Boulder
• Univ. of the District of
Columbia
• Comm. College at UDC
• University of Hartford, CT
• University of Kansas
• Univ. of MD-College Park
• University of New
Hampshire-Durham
• UNC-Chapel Hill
• UNC-Greensboro
• Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA
• Univ. of Rochester, NY
• Univ. of San Francisco, CA
• Univ. of Texas at Austin
• University of Vermont
• University of Washington
• Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison
• Virginia Tech
• Virginia State University
• Virginia Wesleyan College
• Washington College, MD
• Wesleyan University, CT
• West Virginia University
• Western Governors Univ., UT
• Winston-Salem State Univ.,
NC
• Wittenberg University, OH
• Xavier Univ. of Louisiana
• Yale University, CT
• York College of Pennsylvania
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