Travis and Taylor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Low class caveman. Everything about him is ick. And he seems to be having a meltdown from the public scrutiny or something.

+1. He’s a complete embarrassment. I think less of her for dating him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So this behavior is normal at parades:

He's acting drunk.

[Anonymous]

You guys must be new to sports. Yes, this behavior is pretty normal for this type of celebration. My dad played semi-pro football overseas and I remember these types of celebrations.

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Anonymous wrote:There might be one or two PR relationships out there but most of them are legit IMO

Again, there are shades of gray here. A full on PR-arranged marriage is probably pretty rare (but does happen). And some celebs do just meet and fall in love. But a not-insignificant number of these relationships start out as "well if these two hit it off it would do wonders for her film premiere in May" or "this is a good match because she softens his image after the bad press last year."

Also, if you started dating someone and as a result of being associated with them, suddenly you were making a bunch more money (as Kelce has from his jersey sales, which he gets a cut of and have gone through the roof since he started dating Travis), it might make you look at that person in a rosier light, right? When you can't separate those things, which you can't with these two, it's impossible to say the relationship has no PR element.

Which, by the way, is why Joe Alwyn's preference to keep his relationship with Taylor as private as possible, and in particular keeping it private as it relates to their careers, makes a lot of sense to me in terms of having a healthy relationship with someone as famous as Travis. Yes he has songwriting credits on her albums because obviously they enjoyed collaborating together creatively, but he used a pseudonym and never made any public appearances related to that. He preferred to attend his own premiers solo so that they could be about the work and his artistry and not about Taylor. Some Swifties view that as selfish or unfair to her and I don't get it. He wanted to keep their relationship about the two of them, and not about their careers and any "synergy" they might have. That's romantic, and smart, IMO.

I think Taylor and Travis are walking a dangerous line because he's launching a Hollywood career in the midst of all this, and it's opening doors for him and benefiting him financially a lot. That kind of power imbalance is volatile, in my opinion. It seems great now, when they are both on top of the world. In 2 years he's going to be a retired NFL player trying to launch an acting career/a clothing line/whatever. As his world gets closer to hers and their careers intersect more, how does that impact the NORMAL challenges any couple faces over the course of a relationship, especially in your 30s and 40s as you deal with serious things like deciding once and for all if you will have kids, aging parents, the realities of aging yourself.

I just cannot imagine a relationship with this much money involved, under this much scrutiny, ever lasting. Name ONE celeb couple like this that has endured. There isn't one.

Alwyn had it right. If you want a real relationship and you are as famous and exposed as Swift is, you have to draw a line around it and keep the press and the publicists and fans OUT. Taylor either doesn't get this or she doesn't really care.

Remember when Gisele and Tom Brady got together. They were separately huge and as much an equal power couple as we typically see. Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt were separately huge and a power couple in the same industry. Kim and Kanye were huge separately and together. Victoria Beckham wasn't nearly as huge as David was separately, but together they're still a power couple. Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck are famous alone and together, but we all saw how their relationship couldn't weather the constant scrutiny, which they played into constantly! The only ones still together are the Beckhams and Bennifer 2.0, and those have been publicly rocky over the years.

These are all celebrities and/or athletes. I'm not counting couples where someone is successful in an industry with less media coverage like business or politics.

I see Taylor and Travis coming into this most similarly to Gisele and Tom. The difference is that Gisele made a decision to step back for years to be a hands on mother, which put the relationship and career issues on the back burner for years. I really doubt Taylor would do that. So when Tom finally retired and Gisele was ready to return to the career she loved ... they accepted that they no longer worked as a couple. Taylor and Travis are going to hit that point a lot sooner.

Taylor is way bigger than Travis. Taylor swift is a household name and a global name.

Tom was bigger than Gisele. Gisele was big, to be sure, but Tom was not only a legendary QB but also very good looking. Like you said, she took a step back to let his star eclipse hers. And ultimately she seemed to resent that when he didn’t give her a chance to do the same.

I don’t see either of these two giving up their careers in the short term. They also dont strike me as particularly compatible in general. Travis Kelce is not glamorous, east coast, elitist Tom Brady. He is essentially a lumberjack and Taylor is enjoying not feeling like the alpha for once, or at least being with someone who feels less like a beta with her compared to past boyfriends. I don’t see either of them being into it long term, but could be wrong.

I wasn't clear in my analogy. Taylor and Travis are already at the point where the athlete will be transitioning to retirment. I believe the only reason Tom and Gisele lasted so long is because they didn't deal with the inequity in their career paths until the kids were more grown, many years later. Once Travis retires, this whole similar dynamic he has with Taylor falls apart.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tom Brady, superbowl parade. go to 1:20, can't walk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptX_zFwfAuA

I was looking for this response. And also Alex Ovechkin in the fountain in Georgetown and elsewhere. It happens.

Any of the interviews with Gronk and Edelman talking about their parades too - they talk about being blackout on dozens of beers and shots of fireball from the Bostonians. This thread is classic DC nerds witnessing sports culture for the first time.

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Anonymous wrote:There might be one or two PR relationships out there but most of them are legit IMO

Again, there are shades of gray here. A full on PR-arranged marriage is probably pretty rare (but does happen). And some celebs do just meet and fall in love. But a not-insignificant number of these relationships start out as "well if these two hit it off it would do wonders for her film premiere in May" or "this is a good match because she softens his image after the bad press last year."

Also, if you started dating someone and as a result of being associated with them, suddenly you were making a bunch more money (as Kelce has from his jersey sales, which he gets a cut of and have gone through the roof since he started dating Travis), it might make you look at that person in a rosier light, right? When you can't separate those things, which you can't with these two, it's impossible to say the relationship has no PR element.

Which, by the way, is why Joe Alwyn's preference to keep his relationship with Taylor as private as possible, and in particular keeping it private as it relates to their careers, makes a lot of sense to me in terms of having a healthy relationship with someone as famous as Travis. Yes he has songwriting credits on her albums because obviously they enjoyed collaborating together creatively, but he used a pseudonym and never made any public appearances related to that. He preferred to attend his own premiers solo so that they could be about the work and his artistry and not about Taylor. Some Swifties view that as selfish or unfair to her and I don't get it. He wanted to keep their relationship about the two of them, and not about their careers and any "synergy" they might have. That's romantic, and smart, IMO.

I think Taylor and Travis are walking a dangerous line because he's launching a Hollywood career in the midst of all this, and it's opening doors for him and benefiting him financially a lot. That kind of power imbalance is volatile, in my opinion. It seems great now, when they are both on top of the world. In 2 years he's going to be a retired NFL player trying to launch an acting career/a clothing line/whatever. As his world gets closer to hers and their careers intersect more, how does that impact the NORMAL challenges any couple faces over the course of a relationship, especially in your 30s and 40s as you deal with serious things like deciding once and for all if you will have kids, aging parents, the realities of aging yourself.

I just cannot imagine a relationship with this much money involved, under this much scrutiny, ever lasting. Name ONE celeb couple like this that has endured. There isn't one.

Alwyn had it right. If you want a real relationship and you are as famous and exposed as Swift is, you have to draw a line around it and keep the press and the publicists and fans OUT. Taylor either doesn't get this or she doesn't really care.

Remember when Gisele and Tom Brady got together. They were separately huge and as much an equal power couple as we typically see. Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt were separately huge and a power couple in the same industry. Kim and Kanye were huge separately and together. Victoria Beckham wasn't nearly as huge as David was separately, but together they're still a power couple. Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck are famous alone and together, but we all saw how their relationship couldn't weather the constant scrutiny, which they played into constantly! The only ones still together are the Beckhams and Bennifer 2.0, and those have been publicly rocky over the years.

These are all celebrities and/or athletes. I'm not counting couples where someone is successful in an industry with less media coverage like business or politics.

I see Taylor and Travis coming into this most similarly to Gisele and Tom. The difference is that Gisele made a decision to step back for years to be a hands on mother, which put the relationship and career issues on the back burner for years. I really doubt Taylor would do that. So when Tom finally retired and Gisele was ready to return to the career she loved ... they accepted that they no longer worked as a couple. Taylor and Travis are going to hit that point a lot sooner.

Taylor is way bigger than Travis. Taylor swift is a household name and a global name.

Tom was bigger than Gisele. Gisele was big, to be sure, but Tom was not only a legendary QB but also very good looking. Like you said, she took a step back to let his star eclipse hers. And ultimately she seemed to resent that when he didn’t give her a chance to do the same.

I don’t see either of these two giving up their careers in the short term. They also dont strike me as particularly compatible in general. Travis Kelce is not glamorous, east coast, elitist Tom Brady. He is essentially a lumberjack and Taylor is enjoying not feeling like the alpha for once, or at least being with someone who feels less like a beta with her compared to past boyfriends. I don’t see either of them being into it long term, but could be wrong.

I wasn't clear in my analogy. Taylor and Travis are already at the point where the athlete will be transitioning to retirment. I believe the only reason Tom and Gisele lasted so long is because they didn't deal with the inequity in their career paths until the kids were more grown, many years later. Once Travis retires, this whole similar dynamic he has with Taylor falls apart.

+1, this is what I was trying to say on the last page, but not as succinctly.

Right now Travis is capitalizing HARD on the Taylor association because he's trying to make the transition to his post-playing life, and he clearly wants some kind of entertainment career (not saying he doesn't also care about her, but it's unquestionable he's making money off her). This all sounds okay now when he just won a Super Bowl and looks on her level in terms of fame, attention, and even earning power (I mean no one is on her level in that respect but he earns very well right now between his Chiefs contract and his endorsement deals). All of this looks extremely different when he's an ex-player. His stock plummets once he's no longer playing. Look at what Brady and Gronk are doing right now. Are they making more? Yeah. Are Hertz commercials and FanDuel deals as impressive/prestigious as winning Superbowls? Hell no.

I don't think Travis is going to be content to just trail Taylor around while she does her thing. But I also don't think he's going to be able to put together anything that puts him "on her level" once he retires. At some point the whole this is going to start looking like him grifting off her fame and fortune. And that point might be as close as a year from now when, likely, he retires.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tom Brady, superbowl parade. go to 1:20, can't walk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptX_zFwfAuA

I was looking for this response. And also Alex Ovechkin in the fountain in Georgetown and elsewhere. It happens.

Any of the interviews with Gronk and Edelman talking about their parades too - they talk about being blackout on dozens of beers and shots of fireball from the Bostonians. This thread is classic DC nerds witnessing sports culture for the first time.

Eh, I'm a DC nerd who is also a huge Nats and Caps fan and I am unfazed by these videos of Kelce blitzed. I've been watching sports a long time though and have been to NFL games and tailgated. I get "the culture."

I think what we are actually seeing are a bunch of Swifties who watched football for the first time this year just shocked (shocked!) to discover that Taylor's hunky jock boyfriend is a drunk Neanderthal. This is the tricky thing about how Taylor's involvement with Kelce is drawing "new fans" -- many of them are not actually sports fans and also have a kind of stunted vision of who Taylor is in their heads. And in their heads, she's still a lonely girl just hanging out with her cats and watching L&O:SVU at home. But that's not really who Taylor is anymore, and her relationship with Kelce is really making that extra clear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Tom Brady, superbowl parade. go to 1:20, can't walk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptX_zFwfAuA

I was looking for this response. And also Alex Ovechkin in the fountain in Georgetown and elsewhere. It happens.

it's not uncommon

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So this behavior is normal at parades:

for Travis yes. This is who he was before he met Taylor. He's not everyone's cup of tea but he never hid it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So this behavior is normal at parades:

for Travis yes. This is who he was before he met Taylor. He's not everyone's cup of tea but he never hid it

It's not uncommon for athletes who have just won the ultimate contest. See Tom Brady, one of football's greatest athletes, wasted after his umpteenth SB victory. Stop pretending it's only TK.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There might be one or two PR relationships out there but most of them are legit IMO

Again, there are shades of gray here. A full on PR-arranged marriage is probably pretty rare (but does happen). And some celebs do just meet and fall in love. But a not-insignificant number of these relationships start out as "well if these two hit it off it would do wonders for her film premiere in May" or "this is a good match because she softens his image after the bad press last year."

Also, if you started dating someone and as a result of being associated with them, suddenly you were making a bunch more money (as Kelce has from his jersey sales, which he gets a cut of and have gone through the roof since he started dating Travis), it might make you look at that person in a rosier light, right? When you can't separate those things, which you can't with these two, it's impossible to say the relationship has no PR element.

Which, by the way, is why Joe Alwyn's preference to keep his relationship with Taylor as private as possible, and in particular keeping it private as it relates to their careers, makes a lot of sense to me in terms of having a healthy relationship with someone as famous as Travis. Yes he has songwriting credits on her albums because obviously they enjoyed collaborating together creatively, but he used a pseudonym and never made any public appearances related to that. He preferred to attend his own premiers solo so that they could be about the work and his artistry and not about Taylor. Some Swifties view that as selfish or unfair to her and I don't get it. He wanted to keep their relationship about the two of them, and not about their careers and any "synergy" they might have. That's romantic, and smart, IMO.

I think Taylor and Travis are walking a dangerous line because he's launching a Hollywood career in the midst of all this, and it's opening doors for him and benefiting him financially a lot. That kind of power imbalance is volatile, in my opinion. It seems great now, when they are both on top of the world. In 2 years he's going to be a retired NFL player trying to launch an acting career/a clothing line/whatever. As his world gets closer to hers and their careers intersect more, how does that impact the NORMAL challenges any couple faces over the course of a relationship, especially in your 30s and 40s as you deal with serious things like deciding once and for all if you will have kids, aging parents, the realities of aging yourself.

I just cannot imagine a relationship with this much money involved, under this much scrutiny, ever lasting. Name ONE celeb couple like this that has endured. There isn't one.

Alwyn had it right. If you want a real relationship and you are as famous and exposed as Swift is, you have to draw a line around it and keep the press and the publicists and fans OUT. Taylor either doesn't get this or she doesn't really care.

Remember when Gisele and Tom Brady got together. They were separately huge and as much an equal power couple as we typically see. Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt were separately huge and a power couple in the same industry. Kim and Kanye were huge separately and together. Victoria Beckham wasn't nearly as huge as David was separately, but together they're still a power couple. Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck are famous alone and together, but we all saw how their relationship couldn't weather the constant scrutiny, which they played into constantly! The only ones still together are the Beckhams and Bennifer 2.0, and those have been publicly rocky over the years.

These are all celebrities and/or athletes. I'm not counting couples where someone is successful in an industry with less media coverage like business or politics.

I see Taylor and Travis coming into this most similarly to Gisele and Tom. The difference is that Gisele made a decision to step back for years to be a hands on mother, which put the relationship and career issues on the back burner for years. I really doubt Taylor would do that. So when Tom finally retired and Gisele was ready to return to the career she loved ... they accepted that they no longer worked as a couple. Taylor and Travis are going to hit that point a lot sooner.

Taylor is way bigger than Travis. Taylor swift is a household name and a global name.

Tom was bigger than Gisele. Gisele was big, to be sure, but Tom was not only a legendary QB but also very good looking. Like you said, she took a step back to let his star eclipse hers. And ultimately she seemed to resent that when he didn’t give her a chance to do the same.

I don’t see either of these two giving up their careers in the short term. They also dont strike me as particularly compatible in general. Travis Kelce is not glamorous, east coast, elitist Tom Brady. He is essentially a lumberjack and Taylor is enjoying not feeling like the alpha for once, or at least being with someone who feels less like a beta with her compared to past boyfriends. I don’t see either of them being into it long term, but could be wrong.

Disagree that Tom was bigger than Gisele. If anything it was reversed she was huge as a supermodel and having dated Leonardo DiCaprio and she pretty much had a higher net worth than Tom there whole time together. But Tom and Gisele were definitely closer in terms of fame and wealth than Taylor and Travis.

[Anonymous]

Without CAA handlers these guy is such an obnoxious and classless dunce.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tom Brady, superbowl parade. go to 1:20, can't walk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptX_zFwfAuA

I was looking for this response. And also Alex Ovechkin in the fountain in Georgetown and elsewhere. It happens.

Any of the interviews with Gronk and Edelman talking about their parades too - they talk about being blackout on dozens of beers and shots of fireball from the Bostonians. This thread is classic DC nerds witnessing sports culture for the first time.

Complete ignorance won't keep them from posting like they know what they're talking about though, you can be sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You guys must be new to sports. Yes, this behavior is pretty normal for this type of celebration. My dad played semi-pro football overseas and I remember these types of celebrations.

Yes this type of behavior does happen, but I can think of many classy football players who have won and would never act like that. Big NY Giants fan. Saw them win 4 Super Bowls and have seen 4 victory parades. Never saw an embarassment like this with them. I wonder what Taylor’s reaction to this will be. Mortified? Shrug it off? Or should I say shake it off?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Low class caveman. Everything about him is ick. And he seems to be having a meltdown from the public scrutiny or something.

+1. He’s a complete embarrassment. I think less of her for dating him.

I wonder if he’s doing this on purpose so she’ll breakup with him.