Boundary Review Meetings

[Anonymous]

South Lakes and Hughes could share busses, the schools are next to each other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:They posted slides for some of the topics at the 12/4 board meeting. One of them is on the transportation of kids "grandfathered" in as part of phasing, and it appears to recommend that transportation NOT be provided. They estimated it'd cost $10.4m to do so.

Considering they were unwilling to spend $1 Million for reasonable middle school start times, I'm not surprised. Perhaps they could offer drop off points like they do for TJ? Like one or two busses from each elementary school?

Have they ever looked into combining middle and HS routes where feasible? I’m thinking in places where there aren’t too many if any split feeder kids from MS-HS and the middle and HS are close to one another. So like Irving and WS, South County, Twain and Edison, Cooper and Langley etc. I wonder if they could realize some transportation savings or maybe get at least those middle schools to start at the same time as the high schools. I rode on a combined middle-HS bus in the afternoons growing up and it was fine. HS got on first at the high school and sat in the back. Then they drove to the middle school and picked up the middle schoolers and they sat in the front. The schools were only about a mile apart so it worked well.

No.

The middle school busses pick up starting at 6:30. The high school busses pick up an hour later. Both middle school and high school busses are packed.

No one would be happy with that, and tgey would resent the grandfathered families.

If you want your kid grandfathered, you should provide transportation, especially for elementary families doing it to keep kindergartners at the same school as the 6th grader, or equal quality nearby schools such as families getting rezoned to Lake Braddock wanting to stay at Irving.

Letting them drive to one central pick up, such as a single location might be an option. But at that point, you are already halfway to the school so you might as well drive the rest of the way in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:South Lakes and Hughes could share busses, the schools are next to each other.

But the times are an hour apart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:South Lakes and Hughes could share busses, the schools are next to each other.

Many of the arguments against rezoning Irving kids to Lake Braddock from WSHS were that the parents did not want their middle school kids on the busses with high school students.

I imagine that would be a concern district wide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They posted slides for some of the topics at the 12/4 board meeting. One of them is on the transportation of kids "grandfathered" in as part of phasing, and it appears to recommend that transportation NOT be provided. They estimated it'd cost $10.4m to do so.

Considering they were unwilling to spend $1 Million for reasonable middle school start times, I'm not surprised. Perhaps they could offer drop off points like they do for TJ? Like one or two busses from each elementary school?

Have they ever looked into combining middle and HS routes where feasible? I’m thinking in places where there aren’t too many if any split feeder kids from MS-HS and the middle and HS are close to one another. So like Irving and WS, South County, Twain and Edison, Cooper and Langley etc. I wonder if they could realize some transportation savings or maybe get at least those middle schools to start at the same time as the high schools. I rode on a combined middle-HS bus in the afternoons growing up and it was fine. HS got on first at the high school and sat in the back. Then they drove to the middle school and picked up the middle schoolers and they sat in the front. The schools were only about a mile apart so it worked well.

The middle school busses and some of the high school busses in our pyramid are 3 to a seat.

The start times are an hour apart.

There is no viable path to combining middle school and high school busses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:South Lakes and Hughes could share busses, the schools are next to each other.

Many of the arguments against rezoning Irving kids to Lake Braddock from WSHS were that the parents did not want their middle school kids on the busses with high school students.

I imagine that would be a concern district wide.

For the love, lady, can you stop? One parent (and seeming a bit unhinged parent) said they didn't there child on the LB bus (and she was not a Sangster parent). Your statement that many arguments were made to this effect are simply false. Stop with trying to pit neighborhoods against each other and have a wonderful holiday season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They posted slides for some of the topics at the 12/4 board meeting. One of them is on the transportation of kids "grandfathered" in as part of phasing, and it appears to recommend that transportation NOT be provided. They estimated it'd cost $10.4m to do so.

Considering they were unwilling to spend $1 Million for reasonable middle school start times, I'm not surprised. Perhaps they could offer drop off points like they do for TJ? Like one or two busses from each elementary school?

Have they ever looked into combining middle and HS routes where feasible? I’m thinking in places where there aren’t too many if any split feeder kids from MS-HS and the middle and HS are close to one another. So like Irving and WS, South County, Twain and Edison, Cooper and Langley etc. I wonder if they could realize some transportation savings or maybe get at least those middle schools to start at the same time as the high schools. I rode on a combined middle-HS bus in the afternoons growing up and it was fine. HS got on first at the high school and sat in the back. Then they drove to the middle school and picked up the middle schoolers and they sat in the front. The schools were only about a mile apart so it worked well.

No.

The middle school busses pick up starting at 6:30. The high school busses pick up an hour later. Both middle school and high school busses are packed.

No one would be happy with that, and tgey would resent the grandfathered families.

If you want your kid grandfathered, you should provide transportation, especially for elementary families doing it to keep kindergartners at the same school as the 6th grader, or equal quality nearby schools such as families getting rezoned to Lake Braddock wanting to stay at Irving.

Letting them drive to one central pick up, such as a single location might be an option. But at that point, you are already halfway to the school so you might as well drive the rest of the way in.

Spoken like a parent whose kids are completely unaffected by potential boundary changes. Slow Clap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They posted slides for some of the topics at the 12/4 board meeting. One of them is on the transportation of kids "grandfathered" in as part of phasing, and it appears to recommend that transportation NOT be provided. They estimated it'd cost $10.4m to do so.

Considering they were unwilling to spend $1 Million for reasonable middle school start times, I'm not surprised. Perhaps they could offer drop off points like they do for TJ? Like one or two busses from each elementary school?

Have they ever looked into combining middle and HS routes where feasible? I’m thinking in places where there aren’t too many if any split feeder kids from MS-HS and the middle and HS are close to one another. So like Irving and WS, South County, Twain and Edison, Cooper and Langley etc. I wonder if they could realize some transportation savings or maybe get at least those middle schools to start at the same time as the high schools. I rode on a combined middle-HS bus in the afternoons growing up and it was fine. HS got on first at the high school and sat in the back. Then they drove to the middle school and picked up the middle schoolers and they sat in the front. The schools were only about a mile apart so it worked well.

No.

The middle school busses pick up starting at 6:30. The high school busses pick up an hour later. Both middle school and high school busses are packed.

No one would be happy with that, and tgey would resent the grandfathered families.

If you want your kid grandfathered, you should provide transportation, especially for elementary families doing it to keep kindergartners at the same school as the 6th grader, or equal quality nearby schools such as families getting rezoned to Lake Braddock wanting to stay at Irving.

Letting them drive to one central pick up, such as a single location might be an option. But at that point, you are already halfway to the school so you might as well drive the rest of the way in.

Spoken like a parent whose kids are completely unaffected by potential boundary changes. Slow Clap.

People are asking that their kindergartners get grandfathered.

Why should taxpayers pay for that level of bussing?

7th graders getting grandfathered at the secondary schools means 6 years of bussing a handful of kids to a school they are not zoned to.

I completely support grandfathering of all the teens, but think that their parents should provide their own transportation, especially if it is grandfathering through graduation for a middle school student.

I don't think that there should be extensive grandfathering at the elementary level.

Elementary grandfathering should only be for 5th/6th graders, plus younger siblings. But the younger siblings should only be grandfathered until the oldest kid moves to middle school. A kindergartner should not be grandfathered for 7 years just because they have a 6th grade older sibling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They posted slides for some of the topics at the 12/4 board meeting. One of them is on the transportation of kids "grandfathered" in as part of phasing, and it appears to recommend that transportation NOT be provided. They estimated it'd cost $10.4m to do so.

Considering they were unwilling to spend $1 Million for reasonable middle school start times, I'm not surprised. Perhaps they could offer drop off points like they do for TJ? Like one or two busses from each elementary school?

Have they ever looked into combining middle and HS routes where feasible? I’m thinking in places where there aren’t too many if any split feeder kids from MS-HS and the middle and HS are close to one another. So like Irving and WS, South County, Twain and Edison, Cooper and Langley etc. I wonder if they could realize some transportation savings or maybe get at least those middle schools to start at the same time as the high schools. I rode on a combined middle-HS bus in the afternoons growing up and it was fine. HS got on first at the high school and sat in the back. Then they drove to the middle school and picked up the middle schoolers and they sat in the front. The schools were only about a mile apart so it worked well.

Double slow clap.

No.

The middle school busses pick up starting at 6:30. The high school busses pick up an hour later. Both middle school and high school busses are packed.

No one would be happy with that, and tgey would resent the grandfathered families.

If you want your kid grandfathered, you should provide transportation, especially for elementary families doing it to keep kindergartners at the same school as the 6th grader, or equal quality nearby schools such as families getting rezoned to Lake Braddock wanting to stay at Irving.

Letting them drive to one central pick up, such as a single location might be an option. But at that point, you are already halfway to the school so you might as well drive the rest of the way in.

Spoken like a parent whose kids are completely unaffected by potential boundary changes. Slow Clap.

People are asking that their kindergartners get grandfathered.

Why should taxpayers pay for that level of bussing?

7th graders getting grandfathered at the secondary schools means 6 years of bussing a handful of kids to a school they are not zoned to.

I completely support grandfathering of all the teens, but think that their parents should provide their own transportation, especially if it is grandfathering through graduation for a middle school student.

I don't think that there should be extensive grandfathering at the elementary level.

Elementary grandfathering should only be for 5th/6th graders, plus younger siblings. But the younger siblings should only be grandfathered until the oldest kid moves to middle school. A kindergartner should not be grandfathered for 7 years just because they have a 6th grade older sibling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They posted slides for some of the topics at the 12/4 board meeting. One of them is on the transportation of kids "grandfathered" in as part of phasing, and it appears to recommend that transportation NOT be provided. They estimated it'd cost $10.4m to do so.

Considering they were unwilling to spend $1 Million for reasonable middle school start times, I'm not surprised. Perhaps they could offer drop off points like they do for TJ? Like one or two busses from each elementary school?

Have they ever looked into combining middle and HS routes where feasible? I’m thinking in places where there aren’t too many if any split feeder kids from MS-HS and the middle and HS are close to one another. So like Irving and WS, South County, Twain and Edison, Cooper and Langley etc. I wonder if they could realize some transportation savings or maybe get at least those middle schools to start at the same time as the high schools. I rode on a combined middle-HS bus in the afternoons growing up and it was fine. HS got on first at the high school and sat in the back. Then they drove to the middle school and picked up the middle schoolers and they sat in the front. The schools were only about a mile apart so it worked well.

Double slow clap.

No.

The middle school busses pick up starting at 6:30. The high school busses pick up an hour later. Both middle school and high school busses are packed.

No one would be happy with that, and tgey would resent the grandfathered families.

If you want your kid grandfathered, you should provide transportation, especially for elementary families doing it to keep kindergartners at the same school as the 6th grader, or equal quality nearby schools such as families getting rezoned to Lake Braddock wanting to stay at Irving.

Letting them drive to one central pick up, such as a single location might be an option. But at that point, you are already halfway to the school so you might as well drive the rest of the way in.

Spoken like a parent whose kids are completely unaffected by potential boundary changes. Slow Clap.

People are asking that their kindergartners get grandfathered.

Why should taxpayers pay for that level of bussing?

7th graders getting grandfathered at the secondary schools means 6 years of bussing a handful of kids to a school they are not zoned to.

I completely support grandfathering of all the teens, but think that their parents should provide their own transportation, especially if it is grandfathering through graduation for a middle school student.

I don't think that there should be extensive grandfathering at the elementary level.

Elementary grandfathering should only be for 5th/6th graders, plus younger siblings. But the younger siblings should only be grandfathered until the oldest kid moves to middle school. A kindergartner should not be grandfathered for 7 years just because they have a 6th grade older sibling.

Double slow clap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They posted slides for some of the topics at the 12/4 board meeting. One of them is on the transportation of kids "grandfathered" in as part of phasing, and it appears to recommend that transportation NOT be provided. They estimated it'd cost $10.4m to do so.

Considering they were unwilling to spend $1 Million for reasonable middle school start times, I'm not surprised. Perhaps they could offer drop off points like they do for TJ? Like one or two busses from each elementary school?

Have they ever looked into combining middle and HS routes where feasible? I’m thinking in places where there aren’t too many if any split feeder kids from MS-HS and the middle and HS are close to one another. So like Irving and WS, South County, Twain and Edison, Cooper and Langley etc. I wonder if they could realize some transportation savings or maybe get at least those middle schools to start at the same time as the high schools. I rode on a combined middle-HS bus in the afternoons growing up and it was fine. HS got on first at the high school and sat in the back. Then they drove to the middle school and picked up the middle schoolers and they sat in the front. The schools were only about a mile apart so it worked well.

No.

The middle school busses pick up starting at 6:30. The high school busses pick up an hour later. Both middle school and high school busses are packed.

No one would be happy with that, and tgey would resent the grandfathered families.

If you want your kid grandfathered, you should provide transportation, especially for elementary families doing it to keep kindergartners at the same school as the 6th grader, or equal quality nearby schools such as families getting rezoned to Lake Braddock wanting to stay at Irving.

Letting them drive to one central pick up, such as a single location might be an option. But at that point, you are already halfway to the school so you might as well drive the rest of the way in.

I’m not in any rezoning discussions right now, I’m more asking in terms of the infamous middle school start times. Like could they start at the same time as the HS now, if the middle and HS kids shared a bus route.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They posted slides for some of the topics at the 12/4 board meeting. One of them is on the transportation of kids "grandfathered" in as part of phasing, and it appears to recommend that transportation NOT be provided. They estimated it'd cost $10.4m to do so.

Considering they were unwilling to spend $1 Million for reasonable middle school start times, I'm not surprised. Perhaps they could offer drop off points like they do for TJ? Like one or two busses from each elementary school?

Have they ever looked into combining middle and HS routes where feasible? I’m thinking in places where there aren’t too many if any split feeder kids from MS-HS and the middle and HS are close to one another. So like Irving and WS, South County, Twain and Edison, Cooper and Langley etc. I wonder if they could realize some transportation savings or maybe get at least those middle schools to start at the same time as the high schools. I rode on a combined middle-HS bus in the afternoons growing up and it was fine. HS got on first at the high school and sat in the back. Then they drove to the middle school and picked up the middle schoolers and they sat in the front. The schools were only about a mile apart so it worked well.

No.

The middle school busses pick up starting at 6:30. The high school busses pick up an hour later. Both middle school and high school busses are packed.

No one would be happy with that, and tgey would resent the grandfathered families.

If you want your kid grandfathered, you should provide transportation, especially for elementary families doing it to keep kindergartners at the same school as the 6th grader, or equal quality nearby schools such as families getting rezoned to Lake Braddock wanting to stay at Irving.

Letting them drive to one central pick up, such as a single location might be an option. But at that point, you are already halfway to the school so you might as well drive the rest of the way in.

I’m not in any rezoning discussions right now, I’m more asking in terms of the infamous middle school start times. Like could they start at the same time as the HS now, if the middle and HS kids shared a bus route.

MS and HS cannot share busses.

There are not enough busses. The busses for middle school already sit 3 to a seat. That would be impossible for larger adult sized high school students.

Even if FCPS busses for close schools like the ones you mentioned, such as Irving/WSHS, putting high school and middle schools on the same busses would double the amount of time spent in the busses. Between unloading/loading kids, school traffic, crosswalks and rush hour traffic, that drive between schools is much longer than you think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They posted slides for some of the topics at the 12/4 board meeting. One of them is on the transportation of kids "grandfathered" in as part of phasing, and it appears to recommend that transportation NOT be provided. They estimated it'd cost $10.4m to do so.

Considering they were unwilling to spend $1 Million for reasonable middle school start times, I'm not surprised. Perhaps they could offer drop off points like they do for TJ? Like one or two busses from each elementary school?

Have they ever looked into combining middle and HS routes where feasible? I’m thinking in places where there aren’t too many if any split feeder kids from MS-HS and the middle and HS are close to one another. So like Irving and WS, South County, Twain and Edison, Cooper and Langley etc. I wonder if they could realize some transportation savings or maybe get at least those middle schools to start at the same time as the high schools. I rode on a combined middle-HS bus in the afternoons growing up and it was fine. HS got on first at the high school and sat in the back. Then they drove to the middle school and picked up the middle schoolers and they sat in the front. The schools were only about a mile apart so it worked well.

No.

The middle school busses pick up starting at 6:30. The high school busses pick up an hour later. Both middle school and high school busses are packed.

No one would be happy with that, and tgey would resent the grandfathered families.

If you want your kid grandfathered, you should provide transportation, especially for elementary families doing it to keep kindergartners at the same school as the 6th grader, or equal quality nearby schools such as families getting rezoned to Lake Braddock wanting to stay at Irving.

Letting them drive to one central pick up, such as a single location might be an option. But at that point, you are already halfway to the school so you might as well drive the rest of the way in.

I’m not in any rezoning discussions right now, I’m more asking in terms of the infamous middle school start times. Like could they start at the same time as the HS now, if the middle and HS kids shared a bus route.

People nedd to give up the idea of changing middle school start times.

It is only 2 years. They can suck it up for 2 years instead of inconveniencing the 11 other grades of school.

Just take away your kids phone at 7PM so they will actually fall asleep at a reasonable hour.

[Anonymous]

Although for every crazy political or anti special ed lawsuit that FCPS chooses to engage in, hire or cause through not following Title 9 or special ed law, and wasteful unnecessary contracts like rezoning and Thru, they could probably purchase multiple busses for each lawsuit/failed contract. We would have an entire new bus fleet just rerouting the money thrown away by fcps on wasteful contracts and fcps induced lawsuits of the past 4 years

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Although for every crazy political or anti special ed lawsuit that FCPS chooses to engage in, hire or cause through not following Title 9 or special ed law, and wasteful unnecessary contracts like rezoning and Thru, they could probably purchase multiple busses for each lawsuit/failed contract. We would have an entire new bus fleet just rerouting the money thrown away by fcps on wasteful contracts and fcps induced lawsuits of the past 4 years

True.