Travis and Taylor

[Anonymous]

This fake ship has bots spamming threads across the internet 24/7. Never seen a psyop like this. If it was authentic, they wouldn't have to bend over backwards astroturfing how real it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There might be one or two PR relationships out there but most of them are legit IMO

Again, there are shades of gray here. A full on PR-arranged marriage is probably pretty rare (but does happen). And some celebs do just meet and fall in love. But a not-insignificant number of these relationships start out as "well if these two hit it off it would do wonders for her film premiere in May" or "this is a good match because she softens his image after the bad press last year."

Also, if you started dating someone and as a result of being associated with them, suddenly you were making a bunch more money (as Kelce has from his jersey sales, which he gets a cut of and have gone through the roof since he started dating Travis), it might make you look at that person in a rosier light, right? When you can't separate those things, which you can't with these two, it's impossible to say the relationship has no PR element.

Which, by the way, is why Joe Alwyn's preference to keep his relationship with Taylor as private as possible, and in particular keeping it private as it relates to their careers, makes a lot of sense to me in terms of having a healthy relationship with someone as famous as Travis. Yes he has songwriting credits on her albums because obviously they enjoyed collaborating together creatively, but he used a pseudonym and never made any public appearances related to that. He preferred to attend his own premiers solo so that they could be about the work and his artistry and not about Taylor. Some Swifties view that as selfish or unfair to her and I don't get it. He wanted to keep their relationship about the two of them, and not about their careers and any "synergy" they might have. That's romantic, and smart, IMO.

I think Taylor and Travis are walking a dangerous line because he's launching a Hollywood career in the midst of all this, and it's opening doors for him and benefiting him financially a lot. That kind of power imbalance is volatile, in my opinion. It seems great now, when they are both on top of the world. In 2 years he's going to be a retired NFL player trying to launch an acting career/a clothing line/whatever. As his world gets closer to hers and their careers intersect more, how does that impact the NORMAL challenges any couple faces over the course of a relationship, especially in your 30s and 40s as you deal with serious things like deciding once and for all if you will have kids, aging parents, the realities of aging yourself.

I just cannot imagine a relationship with this much money involved, under this much scrutiny, ever lasting. Name ONE celeb couple like this that has endured. There isn't one.

Alwyn had it right. If you want a real relationship and you are as famous and exposed as Swift is, you have to draw a line around it and keep the press and the publicists and fans OUT. Taylor either doesn't get this or she doesn't really care.

None of us know what happened with Joe. We can only speculate as you are doing. He might be the nicest guy in the world, and really wanted to protect her and protect the relationship. I’m skeptical because the world is full of men who don’t like to be in relationships where the women out shine them. It could be the nicest guy think, it could be the other thing, it’s most likely something in between. What is 100 percent true is that we will never know.

Yes of course. Everything in this thread is speculation.

However, I think there is a difference between resenting your partner's success and wanting distance from your partner's fame.

The party line among Swifties has become that Joe resented Taylor's success and wanted to make her hide to keep her from outshining him, but that Travis embraces Taylor's fame and celebrated her publicly. Many people have made this argument in this thread.

My point is that there is an alternate way of looking at it, where Joe's desire to keep their relationship more private is not about feeling threatened by Taylor's success, but wanting to protect their relationship from the downsides of her fame. And that in the same vein, Travis's willingness to be extremely public with their relationship could expose it to some weird dynamics where the more public they are, the more money he makes.

And I would also suggest that one reason a lot of fans are eager to believe the first scenario is that they like getting more photos/insight into Taylor's private life, because it feeds their fandom, and therefore have their own biased that have nothing to do with the relative health of these relationships.

I just don't accept the argument that Joe was threatened by her or trying to control her. There's zero evidence of it and from where I sit, his desire for privacy was same compared to what we are watching unfold now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There might be one or two PR relationships out there but most of them are legit IMO

Again, there are shades of gray here. A full on PR-arranged marriage is probably pretty rare (but does happen). And some celebs do just meet and fall in love. But a not-insignificant number of these relationships start out as "well if these two hit it off it would do wonders for her film premiere in May" or "this is a good match because she softens his image after the bad press last year."

Also, if you started dating someone and as a result of being associated with them, suddenly you were making a bunch more money (as Kelce has from his jersey sales, which he gets a cut of and have gone through the roof since he started dating Travis), it might make you look at that person in a rosier light, right? When you can't separate those things, which you can't with these two, it's impossible to say the relationship has no PR element.

Which, by the way, is why Joe Alwyn's preference to keep his relationship with Taylor as private as possible, and in particular keeping it private as it relates to their careers, makes a lot of sense to me in terms of having a healthy relationship with someone as famous as Travis. Yes he has songwriting credits on her albums because obviously they enjoyed collaborating together creatively, but he used a pseudonym and never made any public appearances related to that. He preferred to attend his own premiers solo so that they could be about the work and his artistry and not about Taylor. Some Swifties view that as selfish or unfair to her and I don't get it. He wanted to keep their relationship about the two of them, and not about their careers and any "synergy" they might have. That's romantic, and smart, IMO.

I think Taylor and Travis are walking a dangerous line because he's launching a Hollywood career in the midst of all this, and it's opening doors for him and benefiting him financially a lot. That kind of power imbalance is volatile, in my opinion. It seems great now, when they are both on top of the world. In 2 years he's going to be a retired NFL player trying to launch an acting career/a clothing line/whatever. As his world gets closer to hers and their careers intersect more, how does that impact the NORMAL challenges any couple faces over the course of a relationship, especially in your 30s and 40s as you deal with serious things like deciding once and for all if you will have kids, aging parents, the realities of aging yourself.

I just cannot imagine a relationship with this much money involved, under this much scrutiny, ever lasting. Name ONE celeb couple like this that has endured. There isn't one.

Alwyn had it right. If you want a real relationship and you are as famous and exposed as Swift is, you have to draw a line around it and keep the press and the publicists and fans OUT. Taylor either doesn't get this or she doesn't really care.

Define celeb couple and define endured.

What about Beyonce and Jay-Z? Or do they not count because they're in the same industry?

Nicole Kidman and Keith Burban are at least in two different industries if that's what you're getting at.

I mean, Taylor Swift is pretty incomparable, so I'm not sure who else you would even compare her to, but there are couples out there where they're both famous and super rich and they have "endured."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There might be one or two PR relationships out there but most of them are legit IMO

Again, there are shades of gray here. A full on PR-arranged marriage is probably pretty rare (but does happen). And some celebs do just meet and fall in love. But a not-insignificant number of these relationships start out as "well if these two hit it off it would do wonders for her film premiere in May" or "this is a good match because she softens his image after the bad press last year."

Also, if you started dating someone and as a result of being associated with them, suddenly you were making a bunch more money (as Kelce has from his jersey sales, which he gets a cut of and have gone through the roof since he started dating Travis), it might make you look at that person in a rosier light, right? When you can't separate those things, which you can't with these two, it's impossible to say the relationship has no PR element.

Which, by the way, is why Joe Alwyn's preference to keep his relationship with Taylor as private as possible, and in particular keeping it private as it relates to their careers, makes a lot of sense to me in terms of having a healthy relationship with someone as famous as Travis. Yes he has songwriting credits on her albums because obviously they enjoyed collaborating together creatively, but he used a pseudonym and never made any public appearances related to that. He preferred to attend his own premiers solo so that they could be about the work and his artistry and not about Taylor. Some Swifties view that as selfish or unfair to her and I don't get it. He wanted to keep their relationship about the two of them, and not about their careers and any "synergy" they might have. That's romantic, and smart, IMO.

I think Taylor and Travis are walking a dangerous line because he's launching a Hollywood career in the midst of all this, and it's opening doors for him and benefiting him financially a lot. That kind of power imbalance is volatile, in my opinion. It seems great now, when they are both on top of the world. In 2 years he's going to be a retired NFL player trying to launch an acting career/a clothing line/whatever. As his world gets closer to hers and their careers intersect more, how does that impact the NORMAL challenges any couple faces over the course of a relationship, especially in your 30s and 40s as you deal with serious things like deciding once and for all if you will have kids, aging parents, the realities of aging yourself.

I just cannot imagine a relationship with this much money involved, under this much scrutiny, ever lasting. Name ONE celeb couple like this that has endured. There isn't one.

Alwyn had it right. If you want a real relationship and you are as famous and exposed as Swift is, you have to draw a line around it and keep the press and the publicists and fans OUT. Taylor either doesn't get this or she doesn't really care.

Define celeb couple and define endured.

What about Beyonce and Jay-Z? Or do they not count because they're in the same industry?

Nicole Kidman and Keith Burban are at least in two different industries if that's what you're getting at.

I mean, Taylor Swift is pretty incomparable, so I'm not sure who else you would even compare her to, but there are couples out there where they're both famous and super rich and they have "endured."

You just named some of the main ones. Not that many out there last a long time. Kidman and Urban are a later in life romance. Faith Hill and Tim McGraw you can add.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There might be one or two PR relationships out there but most of them are legit IMO

Again, there are shades of gray here. A full on PR-arranged marriage is probably pretty rare (but does happen). And some celebs do just meet and fall in love. But a not-insignificant number of these relationships start out as "well if these two hit it off it would do wonders for her film premiere in May" or "this is a good match because she softens his image after the bad press last year."

Also, if you started dating someone and as a result of being associated with them, suddenly you were making a bunch more money (as Kelce has from his jersey sales, which he gets a cut of and have gone through the roof since he started dating Travis), it might make you look at that person in a rosier light, right? When you can't separate those things, which you can't with these two, it's impossible to say the relationship has no PR element.

Which, by the way, is why Joe Alwyn's preference to keep his relationship with Taylor as private as possible, and in particular keeping it private as it relates to their careers, makes a lot of sense to me in terms of having a healthy relationship with someone as famous as Travis. Yes he has songwriting credits on her albums because obviously they enjoyed collaborating together creatively, but he used a pseudonym and never made any public appearances related to that. He preferred to attend his own premiers solo so that they could be about the work and his artistry and not about Taylor. Some Swifties view that as selfish or unfair to her and I don't get it. He wanted to keep their relationship about the two of them, and not about their careers and any "synergy" they might have. That's romantic, and smart, IMO.

I think Taylor and Travis are walking a dangerous line because he's launching a Hollywood career in the midst of all this, and it's opening doors for him and benefiting him financially a lot. That kind of power imbalance is volatile, in my opinion. It seems great now, when they are both on top of the world. In 2 years he's going to be a retired NFL player trying to launch an acting career/a clothing line/whatever. As his world gets closer to hers and their careers intersect more, how does that impact the NORMAL challenges any couple faces over the course of a relationship, especially in your 30s and 40s as you deal with serious things like deciding once and for all if you will have kids, aging parents, the realities of aging yourself.

I just cannot imagine a relationship with this much money involved, under this much scrutiny, ever lasting. Name ONE celeb couple like this that has endured. There isn't one.

Alwyn had it right. If you want a real relationship and you are as famous and exposed as Swift is, you have to draw a line around it and keep the press and the publicists and fans OUT. Taylor either doesn't get this or she doesn't really care.

Define celeb couple and define endured.

What about Beyonce and Jay-Z? Or do they not count because they're in the same industry?

Nicole Kidman and Keith Burban are at least in two different industries if that's what you're getting at.

I mean, Taylor Swift is pretty incomparable, so I'm not sure who else you would even compare her to, but there are couples out there where they're both famous and super rich and they have "endured."

Jay and Bey are the closest I can think of. We'll see if they last. Their relationship certainly has not been without its issues and he's cheated on her a lot.

Nicole and Keith are both A-list but neither are at career peak and neither are as big as Swift. Same with Gwen and Blake. Plus all of these people have prior relationships, kids with exes, etc. it's a bit different. They don't generate the kind of buzz as younger stars in their career and looks prime, who have never been married or had kids.

[Anonymous]

Was just watching the Chiefs parade. What a disgrace. Travis is drunk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There might be one or two PR relationships out there but most of them are legit IMO

Again, there are shades of gray here. A full on PR-arranged marriage is probably pretty rare (but does happen). And some celebs do just meet and fall in love. But a not-insignificant number of these relationships start out as "well if these two hit it off it would do wonders for her film premiere in May" or "this is a good match because she softens his image after the bad press last year."

Also, if you started dating someone and as a result of being associated with them, suddenly you were making a bunch more money (as Kelce has from his jersey sales, which he gets a cut of and have gone through the roof since he started dating Travis), it might make you look at that person in a rosier light, right? When you can't separate those things, which you can't with these two, it's impossible to say the relationship has no PR element.

Which, by the way, is why Joe Alwyn's preference to keep his relationship with Taylor as private as possible, and in particular keeping it private as it relates to their careers, makes a lot of sense to me in terms of having a healthy relationship with someone as famous as Travis. Yes he has songwriting credits on her albums because obviously they enjoyed collaborating together creatively, but he used a pseudonym and never made any public appearances related to that. He preferred to attend his own premiers solo so that they could be about the work and his artistry and not about Taylor. Some Swifties view that as selfish or unfair to her and I don't get it. He wanted to keep their relationship about the two of them, and not about their careers and any "synergy" they might have. That's romantic, and smart, IMO.

I think Taylor and Travis are walking a dangerous line because he's launching a Hollywood career in the midst of all this, and it's opening doors for him and benefiting him financially a lot. That kind of power imbalance is volatile, in my opinion. It seems great now, when they are both on top of the world. In 2 years he's going to be a retired NFL player trying to launch an acting career/a clothing line/whatever. As his world gets closer to hers and their careers intersect more, how does that impact the NORMAL challenges any couple faces over the course of a relationship, especially in your 30s and 40s as you deal with serious things like deciding once and for all if you will have kids, aging parents, the realities of aging yourself.

I just cannot imagine a relationship with this much money involved, under this much scrutiny, ever lasting. Name ONE celeb couple like this that has endured. There isn't one.

Alwyn had it right. If you want a real relationship and you are as famous and exposed as Swift is, you have to draw a line around it and keep the press and the publicists and fans OUT. Taylor either doesn't get this or she doesn't really care.

Define celeb couple and define endured.

What about Beyonce and Jay-Z? Or do they not count because they're in the same industry?

Nicole Kidman and Keith Burban are at least in two different industries if that's what you're getting at.

I mean, Taylor Swift is pretty incomparable, so I'm not sure who else you would even compare her to, but there are couples out there where they're both famous and super rich and they have "endured."

Jay and Bey are the closest I can think of. We'll see if they last. Their relationship certainly has not been without its issues and he's cheated on her a lot.

Nicole and Keith are both A-list but neither are at career peak and neither are as big as Swift. Same with Gwen and Blake. Plus all of these people have prior relationships, kids with exes, etc. it's a bit different. They don't generate the kind of buzz as younger stars in their career and looks prime, who have never been married or had kids.

I don’t believe Jay-Z ever cheated on her I think it was just a marketing ploy to sell as many records as possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Was just watching the Chiefs parade. What a disgrace. Travis is drunk.

I only saw a brief clip and he looked irritated. I know he’s supposed to go to Australia soon…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There might be one or two PR relationships out there but most of them are legit IMO

Again, there are shades of gray here. A full on PR-arranged marriage is probably pretty rare (but does happen). And some celebs do just meet and fall in love. But a not-insignificant number of these relationships start out as "well if these two hit it off it would do wonders for her film premiere in May" or "this is a good match because she softens his image after the bad press last year."

Also, if you started dating someone and as a result of being associated with them, suddenly you were making a bunch more money (as Kelce has from his jersey sales, which he gets a cut of and have gone through the roof since he started dating Travis), it might make you look at that person in a rosier light, right? When you can't separate those things, which you can't with these two, it's impossible to say the relationship has no PR element.

Which, by the way, is why Joe Alwyn's preference to keep his relationship with Taylor as private as possible, and in particular keeping it private as it relates to their careers, makes a lot of sense to me in terms of having a healthy relationship with someone as famous as Travis. Yes he has songwriting credits on her albums because obviously they enjoyed collaborating together creatively, but he used a pseudonym and never made any public appearances related to that. He preferred to attend his own premiers solo so that they could be about the work and his artistry and not about Taylor. Some Swifties view that as selfish or unfair to her and I don't get it. He wanted to keep their relationship about the two of them, and not about their careers and any "synergy" they might have. That's romantic, and smart, IMO.

I think Taylor and Travis are walking a dangerous line because he's launching a Hollywood career in the midst of all this, and it's opening doors for him and benefiting him financially a lot. That kind of power imbalance is volatile, in my opinion. It seems great now, when they are both on top of the world. In 2 years he's going to be a retired NFL player trying to launch an acting career/a clothing line/whatever. As his world gets closer to hers and their careers intersect more, how does that impact the NORMAL challenges any couple faces over the course of a relationship, especially in your 30s and 40s as you deal with serious things like deciding once and for all if you will have kids, aging parents, the realities of aging yourself.

I just cannot imagine a relationship with this much money involved, under this much scrutiny, ever lasting. Name ONE celeb couple like this that has endured. There isn't one.

Alwyn had it right. If you want a real relationship and you are as famous and exposed as Swift is, you have to draw a line around it and keep the press and the publicists and fans OUT. Taylor either doesn't get this or she doesn't really care.

Define celeb couple and define endured.

What about Beyonce and Jay-Z? Or do they not count because they're in the same industry?

Nicole Kidman and Keith Burban are at least in two different industries if that's what you're getting at.

I mean, Taylor Swift is pretty incomparable, so I'm not sure who else you would even compare her to, but there are couples out there where they're both famous and super rich and they have "endured."

Jay and Bey are the closest I can think of. We'll see if they last. Their relationship certainly has not been without its issues and he's cheated on her a lot.

Nicole and Keith are both A-list but neither are at career peak and neither are as big as Swift. Same with Gwen and Blake. Plus all of these people have prior relationships, kids with exes, etc. it's a bit different. They don't generate the kind of buzz as younger stars in their career and looks prime, who have never been married or had kids.

Jay z and Beyoncé have stayed together a long time. Even if they divorce, it wouldn’t erase the years and milestones they had together. Taylor seems to like falling in love but not the next part.

[Anonymous]

TK’s behavior is embarrassing.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Was just watching the Chiefs parade. What a disgrace. Travis is drunk.

OMG have you ever seen a sports parade before? That is pretty par for course. Even Tom Brady got stumbling drunk when the Bucs won a few years ago and he RARELY drinks. He freaking threw the Lombardi Trophy between boats!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Was just watching the Chiefs parade. What a disgrace. Travis is drunk.

I only saw a brief clip and he looked irritated. I know he’s supposed to go to Australia soon…

Doubt he’s going now. He couldn’t even stand up on the podium.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Was just watching the Chiefs parade. What a disgrace. Travis is drunk.

Living a lie is hard? At the very least he's been unable to hookup with groupies for the last 8 months.

[Anonymous]

JayZ is way older and pretty much groomed Bey so that has always been sketch to me.

I am thinking Posh and Becks. Not perfect, but a fun couple who have persevered.

[Anonymous]

Shooting at the end of the Kansas City parade with multiple people down