Travis and Taylor

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There might be one or two PR relationships out there but most of them are legit IMO

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Anonymous wrote:So let me see if I have this straight. For those who are still going on about this being a contracted fake relationship, all in the name of (you can pick your favorite here): PR, $$$, bringing more fans to the NFL, paving the way for ownership of an NFL team, forcing people to forget a bad rebound relationship, an election year political conspiracy, hiding their true sexuality, etc., etc., are you seriously suggesting that the two of them sat down and agreed to a contract? If so, here would have had to have been its terms: For the length of this “contract” you will, on your own time and dollar, attend almost every football game he plays in, even if it means flying half way around the world to do so. You will hold hands, kiss, hug, drape yourself over each other in public every chance you get, and become intimate with each other in private. Oh and be sure to act all lovey-dovey even in places where there are no cameras, like private rooms in restaurants, in case someone dares to give an eyewitness account or whips out a cell phone. You will involve your entire families and close friends to go along with the charade. After all who wouldn’t gladly give up their time and be willing to support such an important cause. You will spend every major holiday together. You will forego any chance of meeting or dating anyone else during this time. You will act like you are in love, so much so that talk of a possible engagement starts to take over the airwaves.

So all of this is happening in the name of a contracted fake relationship……seriously???

As for PR, of course there is some of that involved. There’s no way it can’t be when people of their stature become involved, but it comes as a result of the relationship, not as the cause of it.

I don’t pretend to know where this relationship will go in the long run. Maybe it goes the distance, maybe it doesn’t. All I know is what I see right now with my own eyes. I see two people who at this moment light up when they see each other, are very much into each other, in love, and having the time of their lives together. And I say good for them. And for us for however long we get to see it.

So I didn’t know PR relationships were a thing until I started listening to a podcast called Behind the Blinds. They break a lot of the Hollywood stuff down with proof and receipts.

So to answer your question, yes. That is exactly what happens. And nothing is done “privately” bc if it were truly private how did you hear about it? Every single time Taylor is photographed, filmed, etc she is aware. Her PR manager Tree is the hardest working manager. That is Taylor’s Swift true talent, cultivating her image so that people like you think she is genuine, sweet, innocent, not bi (she def dated Karlie Kloss and Dianna Argon), and an underdog.

Sure she might actually like him somewhat but the only thing Taylor Swift loves is her image.

DP - I love that podcast! But most of those relationships they discuss are people pretty desperate to be noticed. Pryanka and Joe - she was desperate to break it in the US and Joe has been sleeping with men on the DL for years - they both had huge things to gain.

Same with Camilla and Shawn and their many coffee walks with empty cups LOL. They want to be famous.

I don’t get that T and T had that much to gain / they were successful, rich, and known. So I don’t see it. But I LOVE a good fake relationship - I just don’t think this is it.

Omg Camilla and Shawn paps walk were the best lol.

Travis wasn’t really that known. They talked about Travis and Taylor on the podcast since Kelly is a Swiftie and made some really good points. I def believe this is a PR relationship.

Again, not seeing what Taylor gains from it. It’s got to be a two-way street unless we think Taylor just really wants to make a football player more famous and more rich? Out of the kindness of her heart? I’m just not seeing it.

She needed to separate herself away from the racist Matty Healy. The stuff about him really could’ve potentially destroyed her brand. Taylor cannot have her brand associated to racist, sexist and men who do the Nazi salute. He specifically made comments about Ice Spice so Taylor thought it would be a good idea to be collab with her. It didn’t work and failed. Enter Travis Kelce. A somewhat normal and more relatable person who probably never listened to Taylor Swift music and doesn’t realize that once she dumps him he will be seen as a villain. *Poof* Matty and Taylor are forgotten.

I think this is a HUGE reach bordering on conspiracy theory. I think most of her fans don’t care about Matt Healy and it was clearly a rebound.

I’m sure most of her fans don’t care. But the bad PR was there and Taylor doesn’t like bad PR.

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Anonymous wrote:So let me see if I have this straight. For those who are still going on about this being a contracted fake relationship, all in the name of (you can pick your favorite here): PR, $$$, bringing more fans to the NFL, paving the way for ownership of an NFL team, forcing people to forget a bad rebound relationship, an election year political conspiracy, hiding their true sexuality, etc., etc., are you seriously suggesting that the two of them sat down and agreed to a contract? If so, here would have had to have been its terms: For the length of this “contract” you will, on your own time and dollar, attend almost every football game he plays in, even if it means flying half way around the world to do so. You will hold hands, kiss, hug, drape yourself over each other in public every chance you get, and become intimate with each other in private. Oh and be sure to act all lovey-dovey even in places where there are no cameras, like private rooms in restaurants, in case someone dares to give an eyewitness account or whips out a cell phone. You will involve your entire families and close friends to go along with the charade. After all who wouldn’t gladly give up their time and be willing to support such an important cause. You will spend every major holiday together. You will forego any chance of meeting or dating anyone else during this time. You will act like you are in love, so much so that talk of a possible engagement starts to take over the airwaves.

So all of this is happening in the name of a contracted fake relationship……seriously???

As for PR, of course there is some of that involved. There’s no way it can’t be when people of their stature become involved, but it comes as a result of the relationship, not as the cause of it.

I don’t pretend to know where this relationship will go in the long run. Maybe it goes the distance, maybe it doesn’t. All I know is what I see right now with my own eyes. I see two people who at this moment light up when they see each other, are very much into each other, in love, and having the time of their lives together. And I say good for them. And for us for however long we get to see it.

So I didn’t know PR relationships were a thing until I started listening to a podcast called Behind the Blinds. They break a lot of the Hollywood stuff down with proof and receipts.

So to answer your question, yes. That is exactly what happens. And nothing is done “privately” bc if it were truly private how did you hear about it? Every single time Taylor is photographed, filmed, etc she is aware. Her PR manager Tree is the hardest working manager. That is Taylor’s Swift true talent, cultivating her image so that people like you think she is genuine, sweet, innocent, not bi (she def dated Karlie Kloss and Dianna Argon), and an underdog.

Sure she might actually like him somewhat but the only thing Taylor Swift loves is her image.

DP - I love that podcast! But most of those relationships they discuss are people pretty desperate to be noticed. Pryanka and Joe - she was desperate to break it in the US and Joe has been sleeping with men on the DL for years - they both had huge things to gain.

Same with Camilla and Shawn and their many coffee walks with empty cups LOL. They want to be famous.

I don’t get that T and T had that much to gain / they were successful, rich, and known. So I don’t see it. But I LOVE a good fake relationship - I just don’t think this is it.

Omg Camilla and Shawn paps walk were the best lol.

Travis wasn’t really that known. They talked about Travis and Taylor on the podcast since Kelly is a Swiftie and made some really good points. I def believe this is a PR relationship.

Again, not seeing what Taylor gains from it. It’s got to be a two-way street unless we think Taylor just really wants to make a football player more famous and more rich? Out of the kindness of her heart? I’m just not seeing it.

She needed to separate herself away from the racist Matty Healy. The stuff about him really could’ve potentially destroyed her brand. Taylor cannot have her brand associated to racist, sexist and men who do the Nazi salute. He specifically made comments about Ice Spice so Taylor thought it would be a good idea to be collab with her. It didn’t work and failed. Enter Travis Kelce. A somewhat normal and more relatable person who probably never listened to Taylor Swift music and doesn’t realize that once she dumps him he will be seen as a villain. *Poof* Matty and Taylor are forgotten.

I think this is a HUGE reach bordering on conspiracy theory. I think most of her fans don’t care about Matt Healy and it was clearly a rebound.

Black fans definitely cared about it. I mean, it wasn't like top of mind, but if you listened to what he said/laughed at on the podcast, it was very upsetting. He has a general reputation for being an a$$hole and there was absolutely an element of "why the heck is she with him?" It was not a blip.

Taylor also has a history of, frankly, overreacting to bad press. She is very dramatic in how she talks about the stuff with Kanye and Kim, even though it really wasn't that big of a deal and even after Kim released the video where she gave Kanye permission for the lyric, the press wasn't even that bad. But she talks about it like she was driven from the public eye and had to go hide in London in shame. It's weird. I think she is extremely sensitive to criticism.

So it doesn't strike me as surprising that she went to great lengths to distance herself from Healy after that podcast came out. I think everything with Ice Spice was 100% driven by the desire to do damage control on Healy. I also tend to think that she and her people viewed it as a good idea for her to be publicly linked to someone else after that, to turn the page so to speak, and I think after Travis spoke on his podcast about wanting to meet her and liking her music, she/they viewed him as a good option -- wholesome image but also has a good record on race (black exes, black friends, not a whiff of questionable attitudes there), plus he's buddies with Mahomes who is a prominent black athlete who also fits Taylor's squeaky clean image.

I do think they hit it off and actually like each other (and would not still be together if they didn't), but I think the choice to start seeing him initially was a calculated move driven in large part by PR concerns. I think the relationship has been more successful than anticipated on both fronts -- PR and person. And for Taylor, I think those things are very intertwined and that she enjoyed having a relationship she could be VERY public about (unlike Joe who hated press generally, and Healy who was a liability). So it was smart for her to vet the relationship so thoroughly first because there's a lot of PR upside and little downside, which has not always been the case with her love life.

Finally someone who gets it.

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Anonymous wrote:There might be one or two PR relationships out there but most of them are legit IMO

You thought Camila and Shawn were real, didn’t you?

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Anonymous wrote:So let me see if I have this straight. For those who are still going on about this being a contracted fake relationship, all in the name of (you can pick your favorite here): PR, $$$, bringing more fans to the NFL, paving the way for ownership of an NFL team, forcing people to forget a bad rebound relationship, an election year political conspiracy, hiding their true sexuality, etc., etc., are you seriously suggesting that the two of them sat down and agreed to a contract? If so, here would have had to have been its terms: For the length of this “contract” you will, on your own time and dollar, attend almost every football game he plays in, even if it means flying half way around the world to do so. You will hold hands, kiss, hug, drape yourself over each other in public every chance you get, and become intimate with each other in private. Oh and be sure to act all lovey-dovey even in places where there are no cameras, like private rooms in restaurants, in case someone dares to give an eyewitness account or whips out a cell phone. You will involve your entire families and close friends to go along with the charade. After all who wouldn’t gladly give up their time and be willing to support such an important cause. You will spend every major holiday together. You will forego any chance of meeting or dating anyone else during this time. You will act like you are in love, so much so that talk of a possible engagement starts to take over the airwaves.

So all of this is happening in the name of a contracted fake relationship……seriously???

As for PR, of course there is some of that involved. There’s no way it can’t be when people of their stature become involved, but it comes as a result of the relationship, not as the cause of it.

I don’t pretend to know where this relationship will go in the long run. Maybe it goes the distance, maybe it doesn’t. All I know is what I see right now with my own eyes. I see two people who at this moment light up when they see each other, are very much into each other, in love, and having the time of their lives together. And I say good for them. And for us for however long we get to see it.

So I didn’t know PR relationships were a thing until I started listening to a podcast called Behind the Blinds. They break a lot of the Hollywood stuff down with proof and receipts.

So to answer your question, yes. That is exactly what happens. And nothing is done “privately” bc if it were truly private how did you hear about it? Every single time Taylor is photographed, filmed, etc she is aware. Her PR manager Tree is the hardest working manager. That is Taylor’s Swift true talent, cultivating her image so that people like you think she is genuine, sweet, innocent, not bi (she def dated Karlie Kloss and Dianna Argon), and an underdog.

Sure she might actually like him somewhat but the only thing Taylor Swift loves is her image.

DP - I love that podcast! But most of those relationships they discuss are people pretty desperate to be noticed. Pryanka and Joe - she was desperate to break it in the US and Joe has been sleeping with men on the DL for years - they both had huge things to gain.

Same with Camilla and Shawn and their many coffee walks with empty cups LOL. They want to be famous.

I don’t get that T and T had that much to gain / they were successful, rich, and known. So I don’t see it. But I LOVE a good fake relationship - I just don’t think this is it.

Omg Camilla and Shawn paps walk were the best lol.

Travis wasn’t really that known. They talked about Travis and Taylor on the podcast since Kelly is a Swiftie and made some really good points. I def believe this is a PR relationship.

Again, not seeing what Taylor gains from it. It’s got to be a two-way street unless we think Taylor just really wants to make a football player more famous and more rich? Out of the kindness of her heart? I’m just not seeing it.

She needed to separate herself away from the racist Matty Healy. The stuff about him really could’ve potentially destroyed her brand. Taylor cannot have her brand associated to racist, sexist and men who do the Nazi salute. He specifically made comments about Ice Spice so Taylor thought it would be a good idea to be collab with her. It didn’t work and failed. Enter Travis Kelce. A somewhat normal and more relatable person who probably never listened to Taylor Swift music and doesn’t realize that once she dumps him he will be seen as a villain. *Poof* Matty and Taylor are forgotten.

I think this is a HUGE reach bordering on conspiracy theory. I think most of her fans don’t care about Matt Healy and it was clearly a rebound.

I’m sure most of her fans don’t care. But the bad PR was there and Taylor doesn’t like bad PR.

Also, it wasn’t a rebound. They had been linked together years before she even dated Joe. She likes Matty and would still be with him if not for the bad PR.

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I can’t post the quote from above about Mahomes, but he is biracial, and I believe Spice is mixed. Neither has an African American/Black mother. Please continue.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t post the quote from above about Mahomes, but he is biracial, and I believe Spice is mixed. Neither has an African American/Black mother. Please continue.

Patrick Mahomes on being black:

He said, “I’ve seen how people, on Twitter, have tweeted and said, ‘Oh, you’re not full Black.’”

“But I’ve always just had the confidence and believed in who I am. And I’ve known that I’m Black. And I’m proud to be Black. And I’m proud to have a white mom, too. I’m just proud of who I am. And I’ve always had that confidence in myself.”

Ice Spice's dad is African American (Nigerian descent I think) and her mom is Dominican. Also blackness is not passed won through your mother, what the hell. Stop being weird.

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Anonymous wrote:Travis and his wealth over the years he has changed for sure, and I forgot how handsome he was:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3Qbe-puhQK/?igsh=ajJvdGEzeGUxc3Br

He looks like a lumber jack.

I do not understand the obsession with Taylor and her love life.

Especially when the guy is not attractive unless you’re into that rustic, 20 years from looking like Mick Dodge, backwoods kinda look?…

Seriously he needs to lose some weight and trim the beard and dress better.

He gets paid millions of dollars to weigh 250 so he can barrel over defenders.
His current beard is a playoff beard, which he didn't trim as long as they were winning. Hopefully he'll trim it now.
He wears custom-made designer clothes, like his Super Bowl outfit.

I think Kelce is hot - his confidence, his EQ, his passion, his overt masculinity are very attractive. He's everything Joe is not. Joe was Taylor's safe harbor in a very stormy time in her life, followed by the pandemic. When that ended and she wanted to get out in the world again while Joe did not, they realized they weren't compatible.

Maybe she'll tire of Kelce's extraversion, but right now they are obviously madly in love and it's really cute. Happy Valentine's Day!

I think the Joe only lasted as long a he did because of the pandemic. They were pod-ing. She said that this new album has been in the works for 2 years which means that they were already on the outs in 2021-2 but stayed together because of social distancing etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t post the quote from above about Mahomes, but he is biracial, and I believe Spice is mixed. Neither has an African American/Black mother. Please continue.

Can you please continue? Say exactly what you mean.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t post the quote from above about Mahomes, but he is biracial, and I believe Spice is mixed. Neither has an African American/Black mother. Please continue.

Can you please continue? Say exactly what you mean.

PP has crowned herself Arbiter of Blackness

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Anonymous wrote:There might be one or two PR relationships out there but most of them are legit IMO

Again, there are shades of gray here. A full on PR-arranged marriage is probably pretty rare (but does happen). And some celebs do just meet and fall in love. But a not-insignificant number of these relationships start out as "well if these two hit it off it would do wonders for her film premiere in May" or "this is a good match because she softens his image after the bad press last year."

Also, if you started dating someone and as a result of being associated with them, suddenly you were making a bunch more money (as Kelce has from his jersey sales, which he gets a cut of and have gone through the roof since he started dating Travis), it might make you look at that person in a rosier light, right? When you can't separate those things, which you can't with these two, it's impossible to say the relationship has no PR element.

Which, by the way, is why Joe Alwyn's preference to keep his relationship with Taylor as private as possible, and in particular keeping it private as it relates to their careers, makes a lot of sense to me in terms of having a healthy relationship with someone as famous as Travis. Yes he has songwriting credits on her albums because obviously they enjoyed collaborating together creatively, but he used a pseudonym and never made any public appearances related to that. He preferred to attend his own premiers solo so that they could be about the work and his artistry and not about Taylor. Some Swifties view that as selfish or unfair to her and I don't get it. He wanted to keep their relationship about the two of them, and not about their careers and any "synergy" they might have. That's romantic, and smart, IMO.

I think Taylor and Travis are walking a dangerous line because he's launching a Hollywood career in the midst of all this, and it's opening doors for him and benefiting him financially a lot. That kind of power imbalance is volatile, in my opinion. It seems great now, when they are both on top of the world. In 2 years he's going to be a retired NFL player trying to launch an acting career/a clothing line/whatever. As his world gets closer to hers and their careers intersect more, how does that impact the NORMAL challenges any couple faces over the course of a relationship, especially in your 30s and 40s as you deal with serious things like deciding once and for all if you will have kids, aging parents, the realities of aging yourself.

I just cannot imagine a relationship with this much money involved, under this much scrutiny, ever lasting. Name ONE celeb couple like this that has endured. There isn't one.

Alwyn had it right. If you want a real relationship and you are as famous and exposed as Swift is, you have to draw a line around it and keep the press and the publicists and fans OUT. Taylor either doesn't get this or she doesn't really care.

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lol.

Y’all a total psychotic hoot.

Do you eat your $hit too DCUM?

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Anonymous wrote:There might be one or two PR relationships out there but most of them are legit IMO

Again, there are shades of gray here. A full on PR-arranged marriage is probably pretty rare (but does happen). And some celebs do just meet and fall in love. But a not-insignificant number of these relationships start out as "well if these two hit it off it would do wonders for her film premiere in May" or "this is a good match because she softens his image after the bad press last year."

Also, if you started dating someone and as a result of being associated with them, suddenly you were making a bunch more money (as Kelce has from his jersey sales, which he gets a cut of and have gone through the roof since he started dating Travis), it might make you look at that person in a rosier light, right? When you can't separate those things, which you can't with these two, it's impossible to say the relationship has no PR element.

Which, by the way, is why Joe Alwyn's preference to keep his relationship with Taylor as private as possible, and in particular keeping it private as it relates to their careers, makes a lot of sense to me in terms of having a healthy relationship with someone as famous as Travis. Yes he has songwriting credits on her albums because obviously they enjoyed collaborating together creatively, but he used a pseudonym and never made any public appearances related to that. He preferred to attend his own premiers solo so that they could be about the work and his artistry and not about Taylor. Some Swifties view that as selfish or unfair to her and I don't get it. He wanted to keep their relationship about the two of them, and not about their careers and any "synergy" they might have. That's romantic, and smart, IMO.

I think Taylor and Travis are walking a dangerous line because he's launching a Hollywood career in the midst of all this, and it's opening doors for him and benefiting him financially a lot. That kind of power imbalance is volatile, in my opinion. It seems great now, when they are both on top of the world. In 2 years he's going to be a retired NFL player trying to launch an acting career/a clothing line/whatever. As his world gets closer to hers and their careers intersect more, how does that impact the NORMAL challenges any couple faces over the course of a relationship, especially in your 30s and 40s as you deal with serious things like deciding once and for all if you will have kids, aging parents, the realities of aging yourself.

I just cannot imagine a relationship with this much money involved, under this much scrutiny, ever lasting. Name ONE celeb couple like this that has endured. There isn't one.

Alwyn had it right. If you want a real relationship and you are as famous and exposed as Swift is, you have to draw a line around it and keep the press and the publicists and fans OUT. Taylor either doesn't get this or she doesn't really care.

None of us know what happened with Joe. We can only speculate as you are doing. He might be the nicest guy in the world, and really wanted to protect her and protect the relationship. I’m skeptical because the world is full of men who don’t like to be in relationships where the women out shine them. It could be the nicest guy think, it could be the other thing, it’s most likely something in between. What is 100 percent true is that we will never know.

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Anonymous wrote:There might be one or two PR relationships out there but most of them are legit IMO

Again, there are shades of gray here. A full on PR-arranged marriage is probably pretty rare (but does happen). And some celebs do just meet and fall in love. But a not-insignificant number of these relationships start out as "well if these two hit it off it would do wonders for her film premiere in May" or "this is a good match because she softens his image after the bad press last year."

Also, if you started dating someone and as a result of being associated with them, suddenly you were making a bunch more money (as Kelce has from his jersey sales, which he gets a cut of and have gone through the roof since he started dating Travis), it might make you look at that person in a rosier light, right? When you can't separate those things, which you can't with these two, it's impossible to say the relationship has no PR element.

Which, by the way, is why Joe Alwyn's preference to keep his relationship with Taylor as private as possible, and in particular keeping it private as it relates to their careers, makes a lot of sense to me in terms of having a healthy relationship with someone as famous as Travis. Yes he has songwriting credits on her albums because obviously they enjoyed collaborating together creatively, but he used a pseudonym and never made any public appearances related to that. He preferred to attend his own premiers solo so that they could be about the work and his artistry and not about Taylor. Some Swifties view that as selfish or unfair to her and I don't get it. He wanted to keep their relationship about the two of them, and not about their careers and any "synergy" they might have. That's romantic, and smart, IMO.

I think Taylor and Travis are walking a dangerous line because he's launching a Hollywood career in the midst of all this, and it's opening doors for him and benefiting him financially a lot. That kind of power imbalance is volatile, in my opinion. It seems great now, when they are both on top of the world. In 2 years he's going to be a retired NFL player trying to launch an acting career/a clothing line/whatever. As his world gets closer to hers and their careers intersect more, how does that impact the NORMAL challenges any couple faces over the course of a relationship, especially in your 30s and 40s as you deal with serious things like deciding once and for all if you will have kids, aging parents, the realities of aging yourself.

I just cannot imagine a relationship with this much money involved, under this much scrutiny, ever lasting. Name ONE celeb couple like this that has endured. There isn't one.

Alwyn had it right. If you want a real relationship and you are as famous and exposed as Swift is, you have to draw a line around it and keep the press and the publicists and fans OUT. Taylor either doesn't get this or she doesn't really care.

Great insight.

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Anonymous wrote:There might be one or two PR relationships out there but most of them are legit IMO

You thought Camila and Shawn were real, didn’t you?

Did anyone? It was so bad. So fake.