All schools should offer an all-virtual option

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Anonymous wrote:Right. We need to be able to do both at once. If schools aren’t able to pivot to virtual, either for entire classrooms or individual students who need to quarantine (because they are positive, they live with someone who is positive, etc), our choice is allowing these kids to continue to being covid to their classmates or for them to experience guaranteed learning loss. Especially with all we invested in DL last year, we shouldn’t be facing this choice.

It very much seems that there would be plenty of “demand” for virtual classrooms next year, both from parents uncomfortable sending their unvaxed kids during delta, and kids who should be isolating.

The answer is NOT to demand virtual, but to demand mandatory vaccination of staff/teachers, and to use rational quarantine policies that exclude the fewest kids possible- for example by rapid testing every day instead of sending them home.

Mandatory vaccines, yes, absolutely, but because that is not feasible by September, bringing it up in every discussion is a bit of an unproductive derailment. What we need are solutions for September - December 2021.

Alas, the fewest kids possible quarantined, with delta's R0, is nothing less than a whole (unvaccinated) classroom. I don't think someone can twist the science to pretend otherwise, with what we know about how contagious delta is.

Rapid testing everyday YES YES YES! At this point, though, we don't even have "10% of a cohort tested each week," which is what the asymptomatic testing program had derived to in theory, but which we never even got, because families didn't opt in. So good luck convincing anyone of daily rapid testing.

How is that a derailment to bring up mandatory vax? As soon as it starts the better. I think you’re going to be shocked to see the large number of staff that get covid.

(1) the mayor won’t do it
(2) it won’t help much because we have 30 unvaccinated kids in a classroom

I’m all for it, but it doesn’t solve problem #2.

Ok well how to we get the mayor to do it other than public pressure. Here we are.

Of course it will help - a huge percentage, still over half, of covid cases in school are staff and teachers. staff especially may create a huge issue because they come into contact with so many people — eg the security guard. Mandatory vax is THE most effective covid safety measure and it needs to be discussed.

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Plus I hate the number 2 argument because it means if someone is around ANYONE that's unvaccinated, it means you should just not care about anyone being vaccinated.

It helps, a bit, but I agree there still are 30 unvaccinated humans in one room, plus a vaccinated one. it's a total derailment, and a systematic one at that. It is the most effective covid safety measure, if it can be applied to everyone in the room. We are talking about those who cannot. I will start reporting the posts who bring up vaccinating teachers when we're talking about keeping unvaccinable children safe.

please take a look at the *actual research and data* - which shows that adults have a disproportionate role in bringing covid into schools. this not only increases the risk of transmission to kids (and other staff) but also increases the disruption caused by quarantines. the fact that you’re trying to suppress conversations about mandatory vaccination makes me wonder about your agenda. if you have some data showing that vaccination of adults in school isn’t important - let’s see it!

Actual research and data in classrooms? That sounds nice. You show me the actual research and data on delta transmission in classrooms with full systematic asymptomatic testing of students.
Adults are more likely to be symptomatic, and therefore more likely to be tested when there is no systematic asymptomatic testing program in place.

Exactly. What we know from European studies where they actually tested children in schools is that children are just as likely to transmit COVID.

Please share those studies.

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Anonymous wrote:Actual articles about delta in kids, that might help cut through the delta hysteria:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/30/990789.page#20539023

Oh, great, yes, let's link to your personal blog of editorials and reassuring out-of-date BS.

Out of date? Clearly you are just rejecting things out of hand. This was published less than one week ago. I am sure you didn't read it.

You have a habit of rejecting reality and substituting your own.

There is zero chance that officials are going to let Delta run wild through schools with under 12 kids. There will be quarantines, so maybe we should prepare a virtual option to keep those children engaged while out? I have no idea why that is controversial. Even Mississippi is already doing it.

https://www.mississippifreepress.org/14272/as-outbreaks-force-schools-to-go-all-virtual-districts-reinstate-mask-mandates/

Mississippi has much lower vaccination rates and thus more adults at risk.

Do you really think they are going to not quarantine if we have outbreak here?

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Anonymous wrote:Actual articles about delta in kids, that might help cut through the delta hysteria:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/30/990789.page#20539023

Oh, great, yes, let's link to your personal blog of editorials and reassuring out-of-date BS.

Out of date? Clearly you are just rejecting things out of hand. This was published less than one week ago. I am sure you didn't read it.

You have a habit of rejecting reality and substituting your own.

There is zero chance that officials are going to let Delta run wild through schools with under 12 kids. There will be quarantines, so maybe we should prepare a virtual option to keep those children engaged while out? I have no idea why that is controversial. Even Mississippi is already doing it.

https://www.mississippifreepress.org/14272/as-outbreaks-force-schools-to-go-all-virtual-districts-reinstate-mask-mandates/

Mississippi has much lower vaccination rates and thus more adults at risk.

Do you really think they are going to not quarantine if we have outbreak here?

I think PPP is making up a strawman. I don't know who said "DCPS is going to be ok with letting Delta run wild with under 12 kids" or anyone who suggested that we NOT prepare for quarantines. Certainly nearly everyone is concerned that there haven't been any plans released yet about how schools will deal with those quarantines.

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Anonymous wrote:Actual articles about delta in kids, that might help cut through the delta hysteria:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/30/990789.page#20539023

Oh, great, yes, let's link to your personal blog of editorials and reassuring out-of-date BS.

Out of date? Clearly you are just rejecting things out of hand. This was published less than one week ago. I am sure you didn't read it.

You have a habit of rejecting reality and substituting your own.

There is zero chance that officials are going to let Delta run wild through schools with under 12 kids. There will be quarantines, so maybe we should prepare a virtual option to keep those children engaged while out? I have no idea why that is controversial. Even Mississippi is already doing it.

https://www.mississippifreepress.org/14272/as-outbreaks-force-schools-to-go-all-virtual-districts-reinstate-mask-mandates/

Mississippi has much lower vaccination rates and thus more adults at risk.

Do you really think they are going to not quarantine if we have outbreak here?

I think PPP is making up a strawman. I don't know who said "DCPS is going to be ok with letting Delta run wild with under 12 kids" or anyone who suggested that we NOT prepare for quarantines. Certainly nearly everyone is concerned that there haven't been any plans released yet about how schools will deal with those quarantines.

There is clearly one person here who wants zero virtual learning at all costs. Even for quarantined kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Actual articles about delta in kids, that might help cut through the delta hysteria:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/30/990789.page#20539023

Oh, great, yes, let's link to your personal blog of editorials and reassuring out-of-date BS.

Out of date? Clearly you are just rejecting things out of hand. This was published less than one week ago. I am sure you didn't read it.

You have a habit of rejecting reality and substituting your own.

There is zero chance that officials are going to let Delta run wild through schools with under 12 kids. There will be quarantines, so maybe we should prepare a virtual option to keep those children engaged while out? I have no idea why that is controversial. Even Mississippi is already doing it.

https://www.mississippifreepress.org/14272/as-outbreaks-force-schools-to-go-all-virtual-districts-reinstate-mask-mandates/

Mississippi has much lower vaccination rates and thus more adults at risk.

Do you really think they are going to not quarantine if we have outbreak here?

Oh, I think think they will quarantine kids, more than necessary. But Mississippi is not a good comparison because their situation is completely different in terms of community risk. Also, a single positive test is not an “outbreak”. It can obviously turn into one, but what they should do is handle the situation with daily rapid testing of everyone in the classroom for a week, not send everyone home for two weeks. Sadly, I think DCPS is incapable of such an innovative and sensible approach.

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Anonymous wrote:Actual articles about delta in kids, that might help cut through the delta hysteria:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/30/990789.page#20539023

Oh, great, yes, let's link to your personal blog of editorials and reassuring out-of-date BS.

Out of date? Clearly you are just rejecting things out of hand. This was published less than one week ago. I am sure you didn't read it.

You have a habit of rejecting reality and substituting your own.

There is zero chance that officials are going to let Delta run wild through schools with under 12 kids. There will be quarantines, so maybe we should prepare a virtual option to keep those children engaged while out? I have no idea why that is controversial. Even Mississippi is already doing it.

https://www.mississippifreepress.org/14272/as-outbreaks-force-schools-to-go-all-virtual-districts-reinstate-mask-mandates/

Mississippi has much lower vaccination rates and thus more adults at risk.

Do you really think they are going to not quarantine if we have outbreak here?

I think PPP is making up a strawman. I don't know who said "DCPS is going to be ok with letting Delta run wild with under 12 kids" or anyone who suggested that we NOT prepare for quarantines. Certainly nearly everyone is concerned that there haven't been any plans released yet about how schools will deal with those quarantines.

There is clearly one person here who wants zero virtual learning at all costs. Even for quarantined kids.

I mean, I certainly think there are ways to avoid virtual learning, but I'm not a person that thinks it should be avoided for everyone all the time -- that's where you strawman is, I think. Like, a kid who actually tests positive should be quarantined until the test can be found to be a false positive or they recover. I think there are certainly more cost-beneficial ways to use testing funds, and there are different ways of doing exposure quarantine (as evidenced by the UK strategy) that allow more kids to be in-person.

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Anonymous wrote:Actual articles about delta in kids, that might help cut through the delta hysteria:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/30/990789.page#20539023

Oh, great, yes, let's link to your personal blog of editorials and reassuring out-of-date BS.

Out of date? Clearly you are just rejecting things out of hand. This was published less than one week ago. I am sure you didn't read it.

You have a habit of rejecting reality and substituting your own.

There is zero chance that officials are going to let Delta run wild through schools with under 12 kids. There will be quarantines, so maybe we should prepare a virtual option to keep those children engaged while out? I have no idea why that is controversial. Even Mississippi is already doing it.

https://www.mississippifreepress.org/14272/as-outbreaks-force-schools-to-go-all-virtual-districts-reinstate-mask-mandates/

Mississippi has much lower vaccination rates and thus more adults at risk.

Do you really think they are going to not quarantine if we have outbreak here?

Oh, I think think they will quarantine kids, more than necessary. But Mississippi is not a good comparison because their situation is completely different in terms of community risk. Also, a single positive test is not an “outbreak”. It can obviously turn into one, but what they should do is handle the situation with daily rapid testing of everyone in the classroom for a week, not send everyone home for two weeks. Sadly, I think DCPS is incapable of such an innovative and sensible approach.

Got it. Given the travel quarantine periods in the other thread, I think that is more than likely so I agree on that point.

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Anonymous wrote:Right. We need to be able to do both at once. If schools aren’t able to pivot to virtual, either for entire classrooms or individual students who need to quarantine (because they are positive, they live with someone who is positive, etc), our choice is allowing these kids to continue to being covid to their classmates or for them to experience guaranteed learning loss. Especially with all we invested in DL last year, we shouldn’t be facing this choice.

It very much seems that there would be plenty of “demand” for virtual classrooms next year, both from parents uncomfortable sending their unvaxed kids during delta, and kids who should be isolating.

The answer is NOT to demand virtual, but to demand mandatory vaccination of staff/teachers, and to use rational quarantine policies that exclude the fewest kids possible- for example by rapid testing every day instead of sending them home.

Mandatory vaccines, yes, absolutely, but because that is not feasible by September, bringing it up in every discussion is a bit of an unproductive derailment. What we need are solutions for September - December 2021.

Alas, the fewest kids possible quarantined, with delta's R0, is nothing less than a whole (unvaccinated) classroom. I don't think someone can twist the science to pretend otherwise, with what we know about how contagious delta is.

Rapid testing everyday YES YES YES! At this point, though, we don't even have "10% of a cohort tested each week," which is what the asymptomatic testing program had derived to in theory, but which we never even got, because families didn't opt in. So good luck convincing anyone of daily rapid testing.

How is that a derailment to bring up mandatory vax? As soon as it starts the better. I think you’re going to be shocked to see the large number of staff that get covid.

(1) the mayor won’t do it
(2) it won’t help much because we have 30 unvaccinated kids in a classroom

I’m all for it, but it doesn’t solve problem #2.

Ok well how to we get the mayor to do it other than public pressure. Here we are.

Of course it will help - a huge percentage, still over half, of covid cases in school are staff and teachers. staff especially may create a huge issue because they come into contact with so many people — eg the security guard. Mandatory vax is THE most effective covid safety measure and it needs to be discussed.

+1

Plus I hate the number 2 argument because it means if someone is around ANYONE that's unvaccinated, it means you should just not care about anyone being vaccinated.

It helps, a bit, but I agree there still are 30 unvaccinated humans in one room, plus a vaccinated one. it's a total derailment, and a systematic one at that. It is the most effective covid safety measure, if it can be applied to everyone in the room. We are talking about those who cannot. I will start reporting the posts who bring up vaccinating teachers when we're talking about keeping unvaccinable children safe.

That's.....deranged. Of course it's important for teachers to be vaccinated to help keep unvaccinated children safe.

Let me rephrase, I wrote quickly because I was frustrated.
I will start reporting the posts who bring up vaccinating adults when we're talking about testing, quarantine, and virtual learning for students. This thread is about a virtual option.

This thread has gone everyone and discussed everything. It's no longer about the initial topic, and hasn't been for a while. You are trying to suppress discussion of teacher vaccination and that's troubling.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:Right. We need to be able to do both at once. If schools aren’t able to pivot to virtual, either for entire classrooms or individual students who need to quarantine (because they are positive, they live with someone who is positive, etc), our choice is allowing these kids to continue to being covid to their classmates or for them to experience guaranteed learning loss. Especially with all we invested in DL last year, we shouldn’t be facing this choice.

It very much seems that there would be plenty of “demand” for virtual classrooms next year, both from parents uncomfortable sending their unvaxed kids during delta, and kids who should be isolating.

The answer is NOT to demand virtual, but to demand mandatory vaccination of staff/teachers, and to use rational quarantine policies that exclude the fewest kids possible- for example by rapid testing every day instead of sending them home.

Mandatory vaccines, yes, absolutely, but because that is not feasible by September, bringing it up in every discussion is a bit of an unproductive derailment. What we need are solutions for September - December 2021.

Alas, the fewest kids possible quarantined, with delta's R0, is nothing less than a whole (unvaccinated) classroom. I don't think someone can twist the science to pretend otherwise, with what we know about how contagious delta is.

Rapid testing everyday YES YES YES! At this point, though, we don't even have "10% of a cohort tested each week," which is what the asymptomatic testing program had derived to in theory, but which we never even got, because families didn't opt in. So good luck convincing anyone of daily rapid testing.

How is that a derailment to bring up mandatory vax? As soon as it starts the better. I think you’re going to be shocked to see the large number of staff that get covid.

(1) the mayor won’t do it
(2) it won’t help much because we have 30 unvaccinated kids in a classroom

I’m all for it, but it doesn’t solve problem #2.

Ok well how to we get the mayor to do it other than public pressure. Here we are.

Of course it will help - a huge percentage, still over half, of covid cases in school are staff and teachers. staff especially may create a huge issue because they come into contact with so many people — eg the security guard. Mandatory vax is THE most effective covid safety measure and it needs to be discussed.

+1

Plus I hate the number 2 argument because it means if someone is around ANYONE that's unvaccinated, it means you should just not care about anyone being vaccinated.

It helps, a bit, but I agree there still are 30 unvaccinated humans in one room, plus a vaccinated one. it's a total derailment, and a systematic one at that. It is the most effective covid safety measure, if it can be applied to everyone in the room. We are talking about those who cannot. I will start reporting the posts who bring up vaccinating teachers when we're talking about keeping unvaccinable children safe.

please take a look at the *actual research and data* - which shows that adults have a disproportionate role in bringing covid into schools. this not only increases the risk of transmission to kids (and other staff) but also increases the disruption caused by quarantines. the fact that you’re trying to suppress conversations about mandatory vaccination makes me wonder about your agenda. if you have some data showing that vaccination of adults in school isn’t important - let’s see it!

Actual research and data in classrooms? That sounds nice. You show me the actual research and data on delta transmission in classrooms with full systematic asymptomatic testing of students.
Adults are more likely to be symptomatic, and therefore more likely to be tested when there is no systematic asymptomatic testing program in place.

Exactly. What we know from European studies where they actually tested children in schools is that children are just as likely to transmit COVID.

I would like to see those sources.

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Anonymous wrote:Right. We need to be able to do both at once. If schools aren’t able to pivot to virtual, either for entire classrooms or individual students who need to quarantine (because they are positive, they live with someone who is positive, etc), our choice is allowing these kids to continue to being covid to their classmates or for them to experience guaranteed learning loss. Especially with all we invested in DL last year, we shouldn’t be facing this choice.

It very much seems that there would be plenty of “demand” for virtual classrooms next year, both from parents uncomfortable sending their unvaxed kids during delta, and kids who should be isolating.

The answer is NOT to demand virtual, but to demand mandatory vaccination of staff/teachers, and to use rational quarantine policies that exclude the fewest kids possible- for example by rapid testing every day instead of sending them home.

Mandatory vaccines, yes, absolutely, but because that is not feasible by September, bringing it up in every discussion is a bit of an unproductive derailment. What we need are solutions for September - December 2021.

Alas, the fewest kids possible quarantined, with delta's R0, is nothing less than a whole (unvaccinated) classroom. I don't think someone can twist the science to pretend otherwise, with what we know about how contagious delta is.

Rapid testing everyday YES YES YES! At this point, though, we don't even have "10% of a cohort tested each week," which is what the asymptomatic testing program had derived to in theory, but which we never even got, because families didn't opt in. So good luck convincing anyone of daily rapid testing.

How is that a derailment to bring up mandatory vax? As soon as it starts the better. I think you’re going to be shocked to see the large number of staff that get covid.

(1) the mayor won’t do it
(2) it won’t help much because we have 30 unvaccinated kids in a classroom

I’m all for it, but it doesn’t solve problem #2.

Ok well how to we get the mayor to do it other than public pressure. Here we are.

Of course it will help - a huge percentage, still over half, of covid cases in school are staff and teachers. staff especially may create a huge issue because they come into contact with so many people — eg the security guard. Mandatory vax is THE most effective covid safety measure and it needs to be discussed.

+1

Plus I hate the number 2 argument because it means if someone is around ANYONE that's unvaccinated, it means you should just not care about anyone being vaccinated.

It helps, a bit, but I agree there still are 30 unvaccinated humans in one room, plus a vaccinated one. it's a total derailment, and a systematic one at that. It is the most effective covid safety measure, if it can be applied to everyone in the room. We are talking about those who cannot. I will start reporting the posts who bring up vaccinating teachers when we're talking about keeping unvaccinable children safe.

please take a look at the *actual research and data* - which shows that adults have a disproportionate role in bringing covid into schools. this not only increases the risk of transmission to kids (and other staff) but also increases the disruption caused by quarantines. the fact that you’re trying to suppress conversations about mandatory vaccination makes me wonder about your agenda. if you have some data showing that vaccination of adults in school isn’t important - let’s see it!

Actual research and data in classrooms? That sounds nice. You show me the actual research and data on delta transmission in classrooms with full systematic asymptomatic testing of students.
Adults are more likely to be symptomatic, and therefore more likely to be tested when there is no systematic asymptomatic testing program in place.

Exactly. What we know from European studies where they actually tested children in schools is that children are just as likely to transmit COVID.

Please share those studies.

Yup, put up or shut up. The international data shows the opposite of what you claim. Kids under 12 are less likely to both catch and tansmit the virus.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/study-finds-kids-under-10-unlikely-to-spread-coronavirus-at-school
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2021/02/11/Study-Children-less-likely-to-catch-spread-COVID-19/9871613068455/

Adults (and older teens), especially the unvaccinated, are the vector of transmission.

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Anonymous wrote:Right. We need to be able to do both at once. If schools aren’t able to pivot to virtual, either for entire classrooms or individual students who need to quarantine (because they are positive, they live with someone who is positive, etc), our choice is allowing these kids to continue to being covid to their classmates or for them to experience guaranteed learning loss. Especially with all we invested in DL last year, we shouldn’t be facing this choice.

It very much seems that there would be plenty of “demand” for virtual classrooms next year, both from parents uncomfortable sending their unvaxed kids during delta, and kids who should be isolating.

The answer is NOT to demand virtual, but to demand mandatory vaccination of staff/teachers, and to use rational quarantine policies that exclude the fewest kids possible- for example by rapid testing every day instead of sending them home.

Mandatory vaccines, yes, absolutely, but because that is not feasible by September, bringing it up in every discussion is a bit of an unproductive derailment. What we need are solutions for September - December 2021.

Alas, the fewest kids possible quarantined, with delta's R0, is nothing less than a whole (unvaccinated) classroom. I don't think someone can twist the science to pretend otherwise, with what we know about how contagious delta is.

Rapid testing everyday YES YES YES! At this point, though, we don't even have "10% of a cohort tested each week," which is what the asymptomatic testing program had derived to in theory, but which we never even got, because families didn't opt in. So good luck convincing anyone of daily rapid testing.

How is that a derailment to bring up mandatory vax? As soon as it starts the better. I think you’re going to be shocked to see the large number of staff that get covid.

(1) the mayor won’t do it
(2) it won’t help much because we have 30 unvaccinated kids in a classroom

I’m all for it, but it doesn’t solve problem #2.

Ok well how to we get the mayor to do it other than public pressure. Here we are.

Of course it will help - a huge percentage, still over half, of covid cases in school are staff and teachers. staff especially may create a huge issue because they come into contact with so many people — eg the security guard. Mandatory vax is THE most effective covid safety measure and it needs to be discussed.

+1

Plus I hate the number 2 argument because it means if someone is around ANYONE that's unvaccinated, it means you should just not care about anyone being vaccinated.

It helps, a bit, but I agree there still are 30 unvaccinated humans in one room, plus a vaccinated one. it's a total derailment, and a systematic one at that. It is the most effective covid safety measure, if it can be applied to everyone in the room. We are talking about those who cannot. I will start reporting the posts who bring up vaccinating teachers when we're talking about keeping unvaccinable children safe.

please take a look at the *actual research and data* - which shows that adults have a disproportionate role in bringing covid into schools. this not only increases the risk of transmission to kids (and other staff) but also increases the disruption caused by quarantines. the fact that you’re trying to suppress conversations about mandatory vaccination makes me wonder about your agenda. if you have some data showing that vaccination of adults in school isn’t important - let’s see it!

Actual research and data in classrooms? That sounds nice. You show me the actual research and data on delta transmission in classrooms with full systematic asymptomatic testing of students.
Adults are more likely to be symptomatic, and therefore more likely to be tested when there is no systematic asymptomatic testing program in place.

Exactly. What we know from European studies where they actually tested children in schools is that children are just as likely to transmit COVID.

I would like to see those sources.

The phrasing gives me pause. Without more information about the studies, it sounds difficult to draw conclusions about transmission rates based solely on asymptomatic testing to reveal prevalence.

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Adding a study on childhood transmission:

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/2/e2020004879

"Of 39 evaluable households, in only 3 (8%) was a child the suspected index case, with symptom onset preceding illness in adult HHCs. In all other households, the child developed symptoms after or concurrent with adult HHCs, suggesting that the child was not the source of infection and that children most frequently acquire COVID-19 from adults, rather than transmitting it to them.

These findings are consistent with other recently published HHC investigations in China."

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Anonymous wrote:Adding a study on childhood transmission:

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/146/2/e2020004879

"Of 39 evaluable households, in only 3 (8%) was a child the suspected index case, with symptom onset preceding illness in adult HHCs. In all other households, the child developed symptoms after or concurrent with adult HHCs, suggesting that the child was not the source of infection and that children most frequently acquire COVID-19 from adults, rather than transmitting it to them.

These findings are consistent with other recently published HHC investigations in China."

August 2020 LOL.

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For funsies, another one:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/12/kids-likely-not-driving-household-covid-19-outbreaks

"A study in Clinical Infectious Diseases yesterday shows that children are unlikely to be the source of COVID-19 household outbreaks and are less likely to be infected with SARS-CoV-2 by another household member, with implications for vaccine distribution."



And yes, that and all of these studies are pre-delta. But aside from delta being more transmissible overall (for adults and children) it hasn't been shown that delta causes kids to be WAY MORE infectious (than adults).

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Anonymous wrote:Actual articles about delta in kids, that might help cut through the delta hysteria:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/30/990789.page#20539023

Oh, great, yes, let's link to your personal blog of editorials and reassuring out-of-date BS.

Out of date? Clearly you are just rejecting things out of hand. This was published less than one week ago. I am sure you didn't read it.

You have a habit of rejecting reality and substituting your own.

There is zero chance that officials are going to let Delta run wild through schools with under 12 kids. There will be quarantines, so maybe we should prepare a virtual option to keep those children engaged while out? I have no idea why that is controversial. Even Mississippi is already doing it.

https://www.mississippifreepress.org/14272/as-outbreaks-force-schools-to-go-all-virtual-districts-reinstate-mask-mandates/

Mississippi has much lower vaccination rates and thus more adults at risk.

Do you really think they are going to not quarantine if we have outbreak here?

I think PPP is making up a strawman. I don't know who said "DCPS is going to be ok with letting Delta run wild with under 12 kids" or anyone who suggested that we NOT prepare for quarantines. Certainly nearly everyone is concerned that there haven't been any plans released yet about how schools will deal with those quarantines.

There is clearly one person here who wants zero virtual learning at all costs. Even for quarantined kids.

And he/she/they are great at hurling ad hominem "you have a habit of rejecting reality and substituting your own" and demanding people look at *the data and the research*, but when it comes down to it, so bad at looking at the data themselves, you don't really know how/whether to bother with explaining it to them. Angry toddler.