Why is redshirting so rare if it's so advantageous?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting. I did not know colleges looked at a graduating seniors’ ages and said - “well older kids in the graduating class have better grades, better test scores, did more and are way more accomplished, but they are 10 months older so we will not accept them and instead we will go with the kid who gets lower grades and did less.

Certainly that will work with athletics too. My daughter played college soccer for 4 years. I am sure that coaches are out looking for younger players who are not as accomplished when they are recruiting.

Also, I'm not aware of a special award for graduating high school as the youngest in class. Is there a "most educated with the fewest days on Earth" award out there?

There's no official, on-paper, award for that. It's an award in and of itself. The more you know at a given point in time, the better. And actually, in a way, there is an award, just not a cut-and-dry one. A non-redshirted kid will have a high school diploma at 17 when, at that given point in time, they wouldn't have a high school diploma had they been redshirted. A nont-redshirted kid will have a bachelor's degree at 21 when. at that given point in time, they wouldn't have a bachelor's degree had they been redshirted.

He never fit in with kids in his class, his friends were the kids in the grade below, and he never liked school and struggled to get a 4 year degree. Another year of maturity would have served him well, not a barely earned HS diploma at 17 that only got him into a lackluster school. So, what's the point?

Why didn't he just take a gap-year between high school and college, so that he could've graduated college at 22 instead of 21?

But then he wouldn't have graduated at 21 and missed that important but not real award
He was barely motivated to go to school my parents had to push him. I think the fear is real that if a kid takes a year off they won't ever go back to school. So that wasn't a viable option for someone like him. He would have been happy just being a bartender somewhere. His freshman year at school was hard at times but he found his rhythm by sophomore year, when he was 18 and should have been starting school anyway. My mother says if she knew then what she knew now, she would have redshirted him back in kindergarten.

Well, I don't think anyone who gets a college degree, particularly if they do it in 4 years, has license to say that college was a struggle for them. High schools make it nearly impossible for students to flunk out, so you can almost always graduate no matter how poorly you do. That's not the case in college. Colleges couldn't care less whether you graduate or not. If you struggle in college, you either take longer than 4 years or drop out altogether. In fact, according to these statistic, your brother was more successful than most in college.

https://www.prepler.com/blog/why-do-so-few-u-s-college-students-graduate-in-four-years#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20%E2%80%9CFour%2DYear,bachelor's%20degree%20in%20four%20years.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/19/just-41percent-of-college-students-graduate-in-four-years.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/education/most-college-students-dont-earn-degree-in-4-years-study-finds.html

These statistics are deceptive. It's not that most students take longer than 4 years to graduate, but rather, that most students take longer to graduate than they're on track to upon entering college These days, it's quite common for students to graduate high school with a year of college credit, which is why some college students graduate in 3 years. There's no way any of those students will take longer than 4 years to graduate. Most of my friends from high school graduated with enough college credits to graduate college a semester to a year early, but ended up taking the full 4 years anyway. It's only the students who start college on track to graduate in 4 years who are at risk for taking longer than 4 years to graduate.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting. I did not know colleges looked at a graduating seniors’ ages and said - “well older kids in the graduating class have better grades, better test scores, did more and are way more accomplished, but they are 10 months older so we will not accept them and instead we will go with the kid who gets lower grades and did less.

Certainly that will work with athletics too. My daughter played college soccer for 4 years. I am sure that coaches are out looking for younger players who are not as accomplished when they are recruiting.

Also, I'm not aware of a special award for graduating high school as the youngest in class. Is there a "most educated with the fewest days on Earth" award out there?

There's no official, on-paper, award for that. It's an award in and of itself. The more you know at a given point in time, the better. And actually, in a way, there is an award, just not a cut-and-dry one. A non-redshirted kid will have a high school diploma at 17 when, at that given point in time, they wouldn't have a high school diploma had they been redshirted. A nont-redshirted kid will have a bachelor's degree at 21 when. at that given point in time, they wouldn't have a bachelor's degree had they been redshirted.

He never fit in with kids in his class, his friends were the kids in the grade below, and he never liked school and struggled to get a 4 year degree. Another year of maturity would have served him well, not a barely earned HS diploma at 17 that only got him into a lackluster school. So, what's the point?

Why didn't he just take a gap-year between high school and college, so that he could've graduated college at 22 instead of 21?

But then he wouldn't have graduated at 21 and missed that important but not real award
He was barely motivated to go to school my parents had to push him. I think the fear is real that if a kid takes a year off they won't ever go back to school. So that wasn't a viable option for someone like him. He would have been happy just being a bartender somewhere. His freshman year at school was hard at times but he found his rhythm by sophomore year, when he was 18 and should have been starting school anyway. My mother says if she knew then what she knew now, she would have redshirted him back in kindergarten.

Well, I don't think anyone who gets a college degree, particularly if they do it in 4 years, has license to say that college was a struggle for them. High schools make it nearly impossible for students to flunk out, so you can almost always graduate no matter how poorly you do. That's not the case in college. Colleges couldn't care less whether you graduate or not. If you struggle in college, you either take longer than 4 years or drop out altogether. In fact, according to these statistic, your brother was more successful than most in college.

https://www.prepler.com/blog/why-do-so-few-u-s-college-students-graduate-in-four-years#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20%E2%80%9CFour%2DYear,bachelor's%20degree%20in%20four%20years.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/19/just-41percent-of-college-students-graduate-in-four-years.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/education/most-college-students-dont-earn-degree-in-4-years-study-finds.html

These statistics are deceptive. It's not that most students take longer than 4 years to graduate, but rather, that most students take longer to graduate than they're on track to upon entering college These days, it's quite common for students to graduate high school with a year of college credit, which is why some college students graduate in 3 years. There's no way any of those students will take longer than 4 years to graduate. Most of my friends from high school graduated with enough college credits to graduate college a semester to a year early, but ended up taking the full 4 years anyway. It's only the students who start college on track to graduate in 4 years who are at risk for taking longer than 4 years to graduate.

You're wrong. It is quite possible to graduate earlier than on track to upon entering. On the opposite end of the spectrum, I graduated high school with 6 college credits, less than half a semester, meaning I was on track to take the full 4 years to graduate. However, I graduated in 3.5 years.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

You realize none of that made any sense. Perhaps if you had been held back a year then you write better now.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

Meh I'd rather my kid enter adulthood mature, ready for the next step, and with confidence than launching them too soon. I'll take my chances with the gift of time rather than roll the dice and find out that it would be an uphill battle and struggle by forcing them before they were ready because of an arbitrary cutoff. You only get one chance to get it right. I know people who regret sending the kids on time when they were young and immature, I don't know anyone who regrets redshirting. It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

Meh I'd rather my kid enter adulthood mature, ready for the next step, and with confidence than launching them too soon. I'll take my chances with the gift of time rather than roll the dice and find out that it would be an uphill battle and struggle by forcing them before they were ready because of an arbitrary cutoff. You only get one chance to get it right. I know people who regret sending the kids on time when they were young and immature, I don't know anyone who regrets redshirting. It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

To your first sentence, if a 17-year-old who has just graduated high school doesn't feel ready for adulthood, they can just take a gap year before college. If, however, a 17-year-old who has just finished 11th grade is ready for college and bored of high school, they don't really have much choice but to stick out that last year of school.

To your last sentence, if you don't think of education as a race, you should actually be against redshirting. The word "race" implies that everyone finishes at different times. It's true that in most races, the object is to finish first. However, there are some races where the object is to be the last one standing. One notable example of the latter is a competition where everyone starts standing on one leg, and the last person still on one leg wins. Another example is a game where people dive underwater to see how long they can hold their breathe, and the last one still holding their breathe is, again, the winner. Because education is not a race, everyone should start and finish together. Everyone born in 2016 should start K in 2021 and graduate high school in 2034, everyone born in 2017 should start K in 2022 and graduate high school in 2035, everyone born in 2018 should start K in 2023 and graduate high school in 2036, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

Meh I'd rather my kid enter adulthood mature, ready for the next step, and with confidence than launching them too soon. I'll take my chances with the gift of time rather than roll the dice and find out that it would be an uphill battle and struggle by forcing them before they were ready because of an arbitrary cutoff. You only get one chance to get it right. I know people who regret sending the kids on time when they were young and immature, I don't know anyone who regrets redshirting. It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

To your first sentence, if a 17-year-old who has just graduated high school doesn't feel ready for adulthood, they can just take a gap year before college. If, however, a 17-year-old who has just finished 11th grade is ready for college and bored of high school, they don't really have much choice but to stick out that last year of school.

To your last sentence, if you don't think of education as a race, you should actually be against redshirting. The word "race" implies that everyone finishes at different times. It's true that in most races, the object is to finish first. However, there are some races where the object is to be the last one standing. One notable example of the latter is a competition where everyone starts standing on one leg, and the last person still on one leg wins. Another example is a game where people dive underwater to see how long they can hold their breathe, and the last one still holding their breathe is, again, the winner. Because education is not a race, everyone should start and finish together. Everyone born in 2016 should start K in 2021 and graduate high school in 2034, everyone born in 2017 should start K in 2022 and graduate high school in 2035, everyone born in 2018 should start K in 2023 and graduate high school in 2036, etc.

Sorry, your arguments are wholly unconvincing. Parents have to do what they feel is right for their own kids. If redshirting isn’t for you then don’t do it.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

Meh I'd rather my kid enter adulthood mature, ready for the next step, and with confidence than launching them too soon. I'll take my chances with the gift of time rather than roll the dice and find out that it would be an uphill battle and struggle by forcing them before they were ready because of an arbitrary cutoff. You only get one chance to get it right. I know people who regret sending the kids on time when they were young and immature, I don't know anyone who regrets redshirting. It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

To your first sentence, if a 17-year-old who has just graduated high school doesn't feel ready for adulthood, they can just take a gap year before college. If, however, a 17-year-old who has just finished 11th grade is ready for college and bored of high school, they don't really have much choice but to stick out that last year of school.

To your last sentence, if you don't think of education as a race, you should actually be against redshirting. The word "race" implies that everyone finishes at different times. It's true that in most races, the object is to finish first. However, there are some races where the object is to be the last one standing. One notable example of the latter is a competition where everyone starts standing on one leg, and the last person still on one leg wins. Another example is a game where people dive underwater to see how long they can hold their breathe, and the last one still holding their breathe is, again, the winner. Because education is not a race, everyone should start and finish together. Everyone born in 2016 should start K in 2021 and graduate high school in 2034, everyone born in 2017 should start K in 2022 and graduate high school in 2035, everyone born in 2018 should start K in 2023 and graduate high school in 2036, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

Meh I'd rather my kid enter adulthood mature, ready for the next step, and with confidence than launching them too soon. I'll take my chances with the gift of time rather than roll the dice and find out that it would be an uphill battle and struggle by forcing them before they were ready because of an arbitrary cutoff. You only get one chance to get it right. I know people who regret sending the kids on time when they were young and immature, I don't know anyone who regrets redshirting. It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

To your first sentence, if a 17-year-old who has just graduated high school doesn't feel ready for adulthood, they can just take a gap year before college. If, however, a 17-year-old who has just finished 11th grade is ready for college and bored of high school, they don't really have much choice but to stick out that last year of school.

To your last sentence, if you don't think of education as a race, you should actually be against redshirting. The word "race" implies that everyone finishes at different times. It's true that in most races, the object is to finish first. However, there are some races where the object is to be the last one standing. One notable example of the latter is a competition where everyone starts standing on one leg, and the last person still on one leg wins. Another example is a game where people dive underwater to see how long they can hold their breathe, and the last one still holding their breathe is, again, the winner. Because education is not a race, everyone should start and finish together. Everyone born in 2016 should start K in 2021 and graduate high school in 2034, everyone born in 2017 should start K in 2022 and graduate high school in 2035, everyone born in 2018 should start K in 2023 and graduate high school in 2036, etc.

Is this what you scribble on your wall over and over?

You need help.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

Meh I'd rather my kid enter adulthood mature, ready for the next step, and with confidence than launching them too soon. I'll take my chances with the gift of time rather than roll the dice and find out that it would be an uphill battle and struggle by forcing them before they were ready because of an arbitrary cutoff. You only get one chance to get it right. I know people who regret sending the kids on time when they were young and immature, I don't know anyone who regrets redshirting. It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

To your first sentence, if a 17-year-old who has just graduated high school doesn't feel ready for adulthood, they can just take a gap year before college. If, however, a 17-year-old who has just finished 11th grade is ready for college and bored of high school, they don't really have much choice but to stick out that last year of school.

To your last sentence, if you don't think of education as a race, you should actually be against redshirting. The word "race" implies that everyone finishes at different times. It's true that in most races, the object is to finish first. However, there are some races where the object is to be the last one standing. One notable example of the latter is a competition where everyone starts standing on one leg, and the last person still on one leg wins. Another example is a game where people dive underwater to see how long they can hold their breathe, and the last one still holding their breathe is, again, the winner. Because education is not a race, everyone should start and finish together. Everyone born in 2016 should start K in 2021 and graduate high school in 2034, everyone born in 2017 should start K in 2022 and graduate high school in 2035, everyone born in 2018 should start K in 2023 and graduate high school in 2036, etc.

DCUM antiredshirters are SO WEIRD. Do you understand how the academic calendar works.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

Meh I'd rather my kid enter adulthood mature, ready for the next step, and with confidence than launching them too soon. I'll take my chances with the gift of time rather than roll the dice and find out that it would be an uphill battle and struggle by forcing them before they were ready because of an arbitrary cutoff. You only get one chance to get it right. I know people who regret sending the kids on time when they were young and immature, I don't know anyone who regrets redshirting. It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

To your first sentence, if a 17-year-old who has just graduated high school doesn't feel ready for adulthood, they can just take a gap year before college. If, however, a 17-year-old who has just finished 11th grade is ready for college and bored of high school, they don't really have much choice but to stick out that last year of school.

To your last sentence, if you don't think of education as a race, you should actually be against redshirting. The word "race" implies that everyone finishes at different times. It's true that in most races, the object is to finish first. However, there are some races where the object is to be the last one standing. One notable example of the latter is a competition where everyone starts standing on one leg, and the last person still on one leg wins. Another example is a game where people dive underwater to see how long they can hold their breathe, and the last one still holding their breathe is, again, the winner. Because education is not a race, everyone should start and finish together. Everyone born in 2016 should start K in 2021 and graduate high school in 2034, everyone born in 2017 should start K in 2022 and graduate high school in 2035, everyone born in 2018 should start K in 2023 and graduate high school in 2036, etc.

DCUM antiredshirters are SO WEIRD. Do you understand how the academic calendar works.

I'm sorry. I should've been more clear. Everyone born in year N should start Kindergarten in the fall of year N+5 and graduate in the spring of year N+18.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

Meh I'd rather my kid enter adulthood mature, ready for the next step, and with confidence than launching them too soon. I'll take my chances with the gift of time rather than roll the dice and find out that it would be an uphill battle and struggle by forcing them before they were ready because of an arbitrary cutoff. You only get one chance to get it right. I know people who regret sending the kids on time when they were young and immature, I don't know anyone who regrets redshirting. It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

To your first sentence, if a 17-year-old who has just graduated high school doesn't feel ready for adulthood, they can just take a gap year before college. If, however, a 17-year-old who has just finished 11th grade is ready for college and bored of high school, they don't really have much choice but to stick out that last year of school.

To your last sentence, if you don't think of education as a race, you should actually be against redshirting. The word "race" implies that everyone finishes at different times. It's true that in most races, the object is to finish first. However, there are some races where the object is to be the last one standing. One notable example of the latter is a competition where everyone starts standing on one leg, and the last person still on one leg wins. Another example is a game where people dive underwater to see how long they can hold their breathe, and the last one still holding their breathe is, again, the winner. Because education is not a race, everyone should start and finish together. Everyone born in 2016 should start K in 2021 and graduate high school in 2034, everyone born in 2017 should start K in 2022 and graduate high school in 2035, everyone born in 2018 should start K in 2023 and graduate high school in 2036, etc.

DCUM antiredshirters are SO WEIRD. Do you understand how the academic calendar works.

I'm sorry. I should've been more clear. Everyone born in year N should start Kindergarten in the fall of year N+5 and graduate in the spring of year N+18.

So you want the cutoff date to be January 1. That would work, but it moves millions of kids back.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

Meh I'd rather my kid enter adulthood mature, ready for the next step, and with confidence than launching them too soon. I'll take my chances with the gift of time rather than roll the dice and find out that it would be an uphill battle and struggle by forcing them before they were ready because of an arbitrary cutoff. You only get one chance to get it right. I know people who regret sending the kids on time when they were young and immature, I don't know anyone who regrets redshirting. It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

To your first sentence, if a 17-year-old who has just graduated high school doesn't feel ready for adulthood, they can just take a gap year before college. If, however, a 17-year-old who has just finished 11th grade is ready for college and bored of high school, they don't really have much choice but to stick out that last year of school.

To your last sentence, if you don't think of education as a race, you should actually be against redshirting. The word "race" implies that everyone finishes at different times. It's true that in most races, the object is to finish first. However, there are some races where the object is to be the last one standing. One notable example of the latter is a competition where everyone starts standing on one leg, and the last person still on one leg wins. Another example is a game where people dive underwater to see how long they can hold their breathe, and the last one still holding their breathe is, again, the winner. Because education is not a race, everyone should start and finish together. Everyone born in 2016 should start K in 2021 and graduate high school in 2034, everyone born in 2017 should start K in 2022 and graduate high school in 2035, everyone born in 2018 should start K in 2023 and graduate high school in 2036, etc.

DCUM antiredshirters are SO WEIRD. Do you understand how the academic calendar works.

I'm sorry. I should've been more clear. Everyone born in year N should start Kindergarten in the fall of year N+5 and graduate in the spring of year N+18.

So you want the cutoff date to be January 1. That would work, but it moves millions of kids back.

Let's replace one cutoff with a different one. What "problem" does this actually solve? Cutoffs used to be 12/31 and schools moved them to better align with the actual school year. And how does this prevent redshirting by just moving the date, people can still hold back if they want as long as schools allow it. It would just be kids with a different birthday who are redshirted.

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Here's an interesting article about NY that does have a 12/31 cutoff and the problems with it. Regardless of what the cutoff actually, it's the developmentally inappropriate curriculum that forces parents with the youngest of children to make the decision to wait or not. Instead of blaming the parents for making a decision to help their kids, the blame should be shifted to the schools for causing the situation in the first place.

https://ny.chalkbeat.org/2020/2/4/21178551/your-child-s-birth-month-matters-nyc-students-born-in-november-and-december-are-classified-with-lear

"A new analysis conducted by the Independent Budget Office, or IBO, at Chalkbeat’s request, uncovered a strong correlation between being born later in the year and being classified as having a learning disability by New York City schools.

The effect was most pronounced when comparing children born in November and December to those with January and February birthdays. Children born in the last two months of the year were 65% more likely to be classified as having learning disabilities than those born during the first two months, a Chalkbeat analysis of the IBO data revealed.

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Taking the six disability categories studied into account, students born in the second half of the year were roughly 20% more likely to be classified with a disability than children born in the first half of the year.

“When we looked at four cohorts of students by birth year — kindergarteners through third graders who were standard age for their grade in 2017-18 — we found that there is a strong positive relationship between being born later in the year and being classified as a student with disabilities,” said Sarita Subramanian, of the Independent Budget Office. “This relationship is statistically significant even when we controlled for other factors among the youngest cohort in our sample.”

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Anonymous wrote:I’m redshirting my July daughter

Ditto. She's 4 and my youngest child and she's not happy about that. She's always the youngest in the class too and she's more immature. Another year of childhood seems like a great gift to give her.

She isn't less mature. You are not comparing her to her actual peers and kids a year younger. You are doing it for her, not you. You aren't giving her an extra year of childhood. You are taking away a year of being an adult and forcing them to continue being a child.

Meh I'd rather my kid enter adulthood mature, ready for the next step, and with confidence than launching them too soon. I'll take my chances with the gift of time rather than roll the dice and find out that it would be an uphill battle and struggle by forcing them before they were ready because of an arbitrary cutoff. You only get one chance to get it right. I know people who regret sending the kids on time when they were young and immature, I don't know anyone who regrets redshirting. It's not robbing them of a year of adulthood, it's making sure they are as ready and a prepared as they can be to get the most out of their education. It's not a race.

To your first sentence, if a 17-year-old who has just graduated high school doesn't feel ready for adulthood, they can just take a gap year before college. If, however, a 17-year-old who has just finished 11th grade is ready for college and bored of high school, they don't really have much choice but to stick out that last year of school.

To your last sentence, if you don't think of education as a race, you should actually be against redshirting. The word "race" implies that everyone finishes at different times. It's true that in most races, the object is to finish first. However, there are some races where the object is to be the last one standing. One notable example of the latter is a competition where everyone starts standing on one leg, and the last person still on one leg wins. Another example is a game where people dive underwater to see how long they can hold their breathe, and the last one still holding their breathe is, again, the winner. Because education is not a race, everyone should start and finish together. Everyone born in 2016 should start K in 2021 and graduate high school in 2034, everyone born in 2017 should start K in 2022 and graduate high school in 2035, everyone born in 2018 should start K in 2023 and graduate high school in 2036, etc.

what in tarnation