Framing Britney Spears

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As to Britney’s restrictions - again remember, she is not an entirely reliable narrator. Nobody who makes assertions without evidence supporting should be just taken at their word in a legal proceeding, that ignores the guarantee of cross examination. Aside from that, Britney’s mental illness makes her a less reliable narrator than she would be otherwise. It just does. Prior poster explained this in detail, how seriously mentally ill people don’t recognize the extent of their illness.

Further we are just coming out of a pandemic year where most of us were very restricted in our movements until the new normal started within recent weeks. Britney’s assertions about not having personal care - neither did most of us! Assertions of not going anywhere - how do we know this isn’t in part due to her protection in the pandemic? But also, she discusses being sent to a rehab after a blood test - think maybe Britney’s dabbled in drugs and her restrictions and not being allowed to go anywhere with boyfriend driving might have something to do with THAT?

When my niece was battling her drug addiction we kept her from seeing her drug supplier boyfriend to keep her clean and get her on the road to recovery. As a family without a conservatorship, but hearing her claims about her father I couldn’t help thinking he’s a guy living in recovery who is trying to keep his daughter descending into drug addiction again.

So there’s that, too.

You are truly a horrible person. Just horrible.

Get a grip. Really.

The one who needs to get a grip is the person going on and on making up stuff about a stranger based one life experience that she handled poorly.

Britney's relationships with men are well documented.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the Free Britney nonsense speaks volumes about how ignorant most people are when it comes to mental health and/or addiction.

As a lawyer, I can tell you that families struggle to protect their loved ones. It is not easy to secure a guardianship or conservatorship. There are people who prey upon others and steal their money, retirement, SS, VA benefits, etc.

Preventing her from marrying protects her interests. I can’t tell you how many families are left with no way to protect their loved one once a spouse is in the mix.

If she is sufficiently competent to headline a Vegas show and financially support her entire family, then she’s sufficiently competent to make her own life decisions. That’s the crux of it. So what if she loses her money and never performs again? It’s her life. Those are her choices to make.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the Free Britney nonsense speaks volumes about how ignorant most people are when it comes to mental health and/or addiction.

As a lawyer, I can tell you that families struggle to protect their loved ones. It is not easy to secure a guardianship or conservatorship. There are people who prey upon others and steal their money, retirement, SS, VA benefits, etc.

Preventing her from marrying protects her interests. I can’t tell you how many families are left with no way to protect their loved one once a spouse is in the mix.

If she is sufficiently competent to headline a Vegas show and financially support her entire family, then she’s sufficiently competent to make her own life decisions. That’s the crux of it. So what if she loses her money and never performs again? It’s her life. Those are her choices to make.

Dancing and performing in Vegas does not equate to good mental health and the ability to do function independently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the Free Britney nonsense speaks volumes about how ignorant most people are when it comes to mental health and/or addiction.

As a lawyer, I can tell you that families struggle to protect their loved ones. It is not easy to secure a guardianship or conservatorship. There are people who prey upon others and steal their money, retirement, SS, VA benefits, etc.

Preventing her from marrying protects her interests. I can’t tell you how many families are left with no way to protect their loved one once a spouse is in the mix.

If she is sufficiently competent to headline a Vegas show and financially support her entire family, then she’s sufficiently competent to make her own life decisions. That’s the crux of it. So what if she loses her money and never performs again? It’s her life. Those are her choices to make.

Maybe the issue is that she's not only a danger to herself, but a danger to others? She is able to headline a Vegas show, but maybe that's because of the medication and therapy she is taking? Maybe if she is left to her own devices that wouldn't be possible?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the Free Britney nonsense speaks volumes about how ignorant most people are when it comes to mental health and/or addiction.

As a lawyer, I can tell you that families struggle to protect their loved ones. It is not easy to secure a guardianship or conservatorship. There are people who prey upon others and steal their money, retirement, SS, VA benefits, etc.

Preventing her from marrying protects her interests. I can’t tell you how many families are left with no way to protect their loved one once a spouse is in the mix.

If she is sufficiently competent to headline a Vegas show and financially support her entire family, then she’s sufficiently competent to make her own life decisions. That’s the crux of it. So what if she loses her money and never performs again? It’s her life. Those are her choices to make.

How did the Vegas residency go? Was she able to handle it? Is she still performing?

Perhaps she better to do it? Maybe it was a test to see how she did?

Here’s the thing: even a trained monkey can dance on cue.

She is accustomed to a certain lifestyle. It’s expensive. Her lack of capacity will require a lifetime of a paid trustee to handle her business and ensure she is properly cared for. Someone needed to set that up.

You people really don’t understand how difficult it is to deal with a person with mental health and addiction issues. Because of her celebrity, it’s an added layer of issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the Free Britney nonsense speaks volumes about how ignorant most people are when it comes to mental health and/or addiction.

As a lawyer, I can tell you that families struggle to protect their loved ones. It is not easy to secure a guardianship or conservatorship. There are people who prey upon others and steal their money, retirement, SS, VA benefits, etc.

Preventing her from marrying protects her interests. I can’t tell you how many families are left with no way to protect their loved one once a spouse is in the mix.

If she is sufficiently competent to headline a Vegas show and financially support her entire family, then she’s sufficiently competent to make her own life decisions. That’s the crux of it. So what if she loses her money and never performs again? It’s her life. Those are her choices to make.

Maybe the issue is that she's not only a danger to herself, but a danger to others? She is able to headline a Vegas show, but maybe that's because of the medication and therapy she is taking? Maybe if she is left to her own devices that wouldn't be possible?

A conservatorship is not easy to get, nor is it easy to maintain for so many years. This conservatorship has been reviewed numerous times already. I find it hard to believe that everyone involved is doing something illegal and forcing this onto a competent person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the Free Britney nonsense speaks volumes about how ignorant most people are when it comes to mental health and/or addiction.

As a lawyer, I can tell you that families struggle to protect their loved ones. It is not easy to secure a guardianship or conservatorship. There are people who prey upon others and steal their money, retirement, SS, VA benefits, etc.

Preventing her from marrying protects her interests. I can’t tell you how many families are left with no way to protect their loved one once a spouse is in the mix.

+1 You've stated the truth. Some of the posters here seem to have very limited experience with these types of issues or perhaps have their own issues and ate resistant to family intervention.

None of you who claim to have experience with mentally ill family members were in equivalent circumstances. Your mentally ill loved one didn’t maintain a wildly successful career while financially supporting your entire family during their conservatorship.

It doesn’t work to say a woman is too impaired to decide who she wants to marry or to be involved in deciding what medications she should take but not too impaired to gyrate half naked and perform lap dances on stage for money. To strip her of her agency and then pressure to her to work under intentionally highly sexual conditions is just gross. It reeks of exploitation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the Free Britney nonsense speaks volumes about how ignorant most people are when it comes to mental health and/or addiction.

As a lawyer, I can tell you that families struggle to protect their loved ones. It is not easy to secure a guardianship or conservatorship. There are people who prey upon others and steal their money, retirement, SS, VA benefits, etc.

Preventing her from marrying protects her interests. I can’t tell you how many families are left with no way to protect their loved one once a spouse is in the mix.

If she is sufficiently competent to headline a Vegas show and financially support her entire family, then she’s sufficiently competent to make her own life decisions. That’s the crux of it. So what if she loses her money and never performs again? It’s her life. Those are her choices to make.

How did the Vegas residency go? Was she able to handle it? Is she still performing?

Perhaps she better to do it? Maybe it was a test to see how she did?

Here’s the thing: even a trained monkey can dance on cue.

She is accustomed to a certain lifestyle. It’s expensive. Her lack of capacity will require a lifetime of a paid trustee to handle her business and ensure she is properly cared for. Someone needed to set that up.

You people really don’t understand how difficult it is to deal with a person with mental health and addiction issues. Because of her celebrity, it’s an added layer of issues.

The question is competency, right? Because a competent adult has every right to blow all their money and become homeless and destitute. Do we know that she's actually incompetent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the Free Britney nonsense speaks volumes about how ignorant most people are when it comes to mental health and/or addiction.

As a lawyer, I can tell you that families struggle to protect their loved ones. It is not easy to secure a guardianship or conservatorship. There are people who prey upon others and steal their money, retirement, SS, VA benefits, etc.

Preventing her from marrying protects her interests. I can’t tell you how many families are left with no way to protect their loved one once a spouse is in the mix.

If she is sufficiently competent to headline a Vegas show and financially support her entire family, then she’s sufficiently competent to make her own life decisions. That’s the crux of it. So what if she loses her money and never performs again? It’s her life. Those are her choices to make.

Dancing and performing in Vegas does not equate to good mental health and the ability to do function independently.

Successfully maintaining a professional career is evidence that one’s mental health problems are under control.

[Anonymous]

My DH and DD are both bipolar and this scared the hell out of me. I believe Jamie is also bipolar and if something happened to me I could see a similar situation happening - a very sick person trying to take care of another very sick person and it all turning out horribly.

As someone who has seen many manic episodes, Brittany's behavior was all too familiar. She is clearly very ill. I feel for her as I'm sure it is all very real to her and she is scared and angry, but it is unlikely reality is quite like she portrayed it to be and she needs help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the Free Britney nonsense speaks volumes about how ignorant most people are when it comes to mental health and/or addiction.

As a lawyer, I can tell you that families struggle to protect their loved ones. It is not easy to secure a guardianship or conservatorship. There are people who prey upon others and steal their money, retirement, SS, VA benefits, etc.

Preventing her from marrying protects her interests. I can’t tell you how many families are left with no way to protect their loved one once a spouse is in the mix.

If she is sufficiently competent to headline a Vegas show and financially support her entire family, then she’s sufficiently competent to make her own life decisions. That’s the crux of it. So what if she loses her money and never performs again? It’s her life. Those are her choices to make.

Dancing and performing in Vegas does not equate to good mental health and the ability to do function independently.

Successfully maintaining a professional career is evidence that one’s mental health problems are under control.

Not at all. And especially not when one's career is in entertainment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the Free Britney nonsense speaks volumes about how ignorant most people are when it comes to mental health and/or addiction.

As a lawyer, I can tell you that families struggle to protect their loved ones. It is not easy to secure a guardianship or conservatorship. There are people who prey upon others and steal their money, retirement, SS, VA benefits, etc.

Preventing her from marrying protects her interests. I can’t tell you how many families are left with no way to protect their loved one once a spouse is in the mix.

If she is sufficiently competent to headline a Vegas show and financially support her entire family, then she’s sufficiently competent to make her own life decisions. That’s the crux of it. So what if she loses her money and never performs again? It’s her life. Those are her choices to make.

Dancing and performing in Vegas does not equate to good mental health and the ability to do function independently.

Successfully maintaining a professional career is evidence that one’s mental health problems are under control.

Thanks to the current arrangement, yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the Free Britney nonsense speaks volumes about how ignorant most people are when it comes to mental health and/or addiction.

As a lawyer, I can tell you that families struggle to protect their loved ones. It is not easy to secure a guardianship or conservatorship. There are people who prey upon others and steal their money, retirement, SS, VA benefits, etc.

Preventing her from marrying protects her interests. I can’t tell you how many families are left with no way to protect their loved one once a spouse is in the mix.

+1 You've stated the truth. Some of the posters here seem to have very limited experience with these types of issues or perhaps have their own issues and ate resistant to family intervention.

None of you who claim to have experience with mentally ill family members were in equivalent circumstances. Your mentally ill loved one didn’t maintain a wildly successful career while financially supporting your entire family during their conservatorship.

It doesn’t work to say a woman is too impaired to decide who she wants to marry or to be involved in deciding what medications she should take but not too impaired to gyrate half naked and perform lap dances on stage for money. To strip her of her agency and then pressure to her to work under intentionally highly sexual conditions is just gross. It reeks of exploitation.

You are correct that her celebrity distinguishes her from most others. But, I can assure you that most issues that come into play when trying to protect a mentally ill and/or addicted love one affect everyone regardless of their job status and income level. I know affluent families as well as poor families that grappled with the same basic issues in terms of forced treatment, medications, marriage, fertility, and money. Basic decision making is at the intersection of these issues. The court doesn’t take these issues lightly. And, if there is a spouse, their decisions Trump everyone else.

I know you think everyone commenting is clueless, but some of us aren’t.

The reality is she is actually more vulnerable because of her celebrity. But I’ve seen nearly homeless veterans preyed upon by people who marry them and take control of their disability benefits. The issues are largely the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the Free Britney nonsense speaks volumes about how ignorant most people are when it comes to mental health and/or addiction.

As a lawyer, I can tell you that families struggle to protect their loved ones. It is not easy to secure a guardianship or conservatorship. There are people who prey upon others and steal their money, retirement, SS, VA benefits, etc.

Preventing her from marrying protects her interests. I can’t tell you how many families are left with no way to protect their loved one once a spouse is in the mix.

If she is sufficiently competent to headline a Vegas show and financially support her entire family, then she’s sufficiently competent to make her own life decisions. That’s the crux of it. So what if she loses her money and never performs again? It’s her life. Those are her choices to make.

Maybe the issue is that she's not only a danger to herself, but a danger to others? She is able to headline a Vegas show, but maybe that's because of the medication and therapy she is taking? Maybe if she is left to her own devices that wouldn't be possible?

A conservatorship is not easy to get, nor is it easy to maintain for so many years. This conservatorship has been reviewed numerous times already. I find it hard to believe that everyone involved is doing something illegal and forcing this onto a competent person.

Actually they aren't that difficult to get--if she had doctors declare her incompetent and nobody objected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the Free Britney nonsense speaks volumes about how ignorant most people are when it comes to mental health and/or addiction.

As a lawyer, I can tell you that families struggle to protect their loved ones. It is not easy to secure a guardianship or conservatorship. There are people who prey upon others and steal their money, retirement, SS, VA benefits, etc.

Preventing her from marrying protects her interests. I can’t tell you how many families are left with no way to protect their loved one once a spouse is in the mix.

If she is sufficiently competent to headline a Vegas show and financially support her entire family, then she’s sufficiently competent to make her own life decisions. That’s the crux of it. So what if she loses her money and never performs again? It’s her life. Those are her choices to make.

Dancing and performing in Vegas does not equate to good mental health and the ability to do function independently.

Successfully maintaining a professional career is evidence that one’s mental health problems are under control.

Thanks to the current arrangement, yes.

+1

The current arrangement also includes forced medication, btw, something only allowed under conservatorship.