The Karen meme silences White women

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that’s the point. We are sick of the outraged middle aged white woman. The problem is that your outrage is over absolutely nothing and you don’t care who you run over. Instead of building others up, you’ve focused on just yourself and tearing others down.

Ummm- every race has outraged women. I see all colors of women losing their sh*t, constantly. Going to the manager is a fun/ego trip for any woman who feels marginalized. Karen is accurate but it’s also across the races.

[Anonymous]

So much projection and trolling in this thread.

Maybe, don’t be a bitch when it’s inappropriate, and no one will tell you to STFU. It really is that simple.

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Anonymous wrote:Entitled white women could stand to be silenced.

Cool. The next time I hear that black people need white allies, I’ll say f<>k you and the horse you rode in on.

We don’t need you. We need actual white allies. Whites people who will listen to what we need. Not white people who assume what is best for them is best for everyone, as OP is doing.

But how can you tell which white women are allies if you condemn them all just for being white women?

Sounds familiar....

I can tell because the white women who are allies actually read what we write, and listen to what we say. My post isn’t condemning all white women, which you would be able to see if you weren’t filled with racist hate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that’s the point. We are sick of the outraged middle aged white woman. The problem is that your outrage is over absolutely nothing and you don’t care who you run over. Instead of building others up, you’ve focused on just yourself and tearing others down.

So we will just continue to listen to White men.

[Anonymous]

Probably some Trump plot to marginalize white women as he continues to lose their support.

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Anonymous wrote:Entitled white women could stand to be silenced.

Cool. The next time I hear that black people need white allies, I’ll say f<>k you and the horse you rode in on.

We don’t need you. We need actual white allies. Whites people who will listen to what we need. Not white people who assume what is best for them is best for everyone, as OP is doing.

But how can you tell which white women are allies if you condemn them all just for being white women?

Sounds familiar....

I can tell because the white women who are allies actually read what we write, and listen to what we say. My post isn’t condemning all white women, which you would be able to see if you weren’t filled with racist hate.

Even if a white woman did that, how could you tell if you don’t know her? Do you assume someone is a racist based on age, gender and skin color until you are able to check her reading list?

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Anonymous wrote:Entitled white women could stand to be silenced.

Cool. The next time I hear that black people need white allies, I’ll say f<>k you and the horse you rode in on.

We don’t need you. We need actual white allies. Whites people who will listen to what we need. Not white people who assume what is best for them is best for everyone, as OP is doing.

But how can you tell which white women are allies if you condemn them all just for being white women?

Sounds familiar....

I can tell because the white women who are allies actually read what we write, and listen to what we say. My post isn’t condemning all white women, which you would be able to see if you weren’t filled with racist hate.

+100. Stop making this about yourself, OP. Look at what Amy Cooper did and ask yourself if you would have done them same. I suspect the answer is “yes” because of your worry about being labeled like her. Then listen, read, and learn the ways you can change to be less like her.

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Anonymous wrote:As a black person, I find this to be one of the most annoying and disheartening threads on DCUM Ive seen in a long time. So much going on this week and past few months, and this is what OP is whinging about, with racist PPs responding and amplifying about welfare queens, Shanequas, etc.

I notice you didn’t mention the comments about white women. Those were okay?

Dear "as a black person" PP, I agree there have been a lot of distracting conversations. I have found the sympathetic to looting perspective from some people really distracting to the life of George Floyd, the murder that occurred, and the action that we may yet be able to come together to take for thoughtful and effective police reform. I don't mind hearing the perspective though, because there is a meta discussion about overall race relations and history in America--which is dynamic, not static and which we all have an entry point to. Part of consciousness-raising is we don't get to choose all the topics people want to raise, explore, think about, fear or celebrate with this discussion. This is a tidal wave that will ultimately change society. You don't get to fully determine its course, nor do I. There is a lot of flotsam and jetsam to pick through. But at least it's not submerged anymore, and that's a good thing (I think)?

op here. To the “as a black person“, I am sorry that you found this thread disheartening. It was not meant to take away from the #BLM. Believe it or not, I am an ally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a black person, I find this to be one of the most annoying and disheartening threads on DCUM Ive seen in a long time. So much going on this week and past few months, and this is what OP is whinging about, with racist PPs responding and amplifying about welfare queens, Shanequas, etc.

I am against racism. I’ve worked in education for 20 years because I believe in defunding the police, (or really) I see the value in doing other things earlier to prevent the need for police.

I appreciate that you don’t think this is a big deal but I care about sexism (not less than racism, but I do care about it). I personally think I do better speaking out about the issues that affect me personally - and that it’s a relay race where we all take the baton to advance certain issues. I’m not black, so I’m not going to act like I’m the expert on racism, but I am ok to be the expert on sexism as a female. Anyway - I didn’t make the racist comments here but there were a lot on misogyny.

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Anonymous wrote:Entitled white women could stand to be silenced.

Fvck you.

Posts like yours literally get Trump votes.

I voted Obama twice and democrat every time until things went too far left. I voted Trump last time and I’ll vote Trump again. Keep calling me Karen, I don’t care. I’ll keep quiet, look over my shoulder, and then when no one is watching I’ll tick that Trump box. No one knows I voted Trump. It’s quiet people like me you should worry about. You know about the Karen’s. They’re loud and you see them. I’m silent Cindy. There’s lots of us. You won’t know us to see us, but we are here and we will tick that Trump box a second time.

I love how proud you are. Don’t you ever change Karen. You’re doing fabulous sweetie.

Who knows? Maybe she’s doing a lot better than you.

I’m actually doing pretty well, thanks!

Of course you are. You are fine admitting to voting for someone who hates basically everyone that isn’t him. Soulless people don’t have to worry about anyone but themselves. Continue doing fabulous sweetie.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Poor white ladies finally get how everyone else has
Felt all these years. Boo hooo. You’re being such a Karen right now.

I actually don’t mind being a Karen. I feel good about myself and my choices.

As you should, just make sure there isn’t a camera around.

[Anonymous]

I've never called someone a "Karen," either here or elsewhere (excepting, of course, using someone's actual name). I do think there is a sexist strain to the use of the term, because sexism and racism and classism are interwoven into all of this culture, including our language.

I respect that this is Jeff's site, and that he is concerned about the use of the term.

I'm a white, middle-aged woman, and I think that focusing on white, middle-aged women's feelings about "Karen" right now is really tone-deaf.

[Anonymous]

I think Karens are a product of consumer culture and too much free time. Back in Eastern Europe where I grew up, we never complained about anything. All women worked, and worked at home and at their jobs. The stay at home culture in the U.S. that happend after WWII, never happened in my home country. Loss of life was nuts, and women worked. I don't know a single woman that didn't have a job, other than grandmas. But, even then, my grandma watched 6 grandkids and cooked and cleaned all day long. We had no washing machine until I was in the 8th grade.
There was just no energy to be outraged about smoothies delivery or people having a bbq. Of course, it was not ideal, women still worked at home a ton. I think consumer culture made people's priorities all messed up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've never called someone a "Karen," either here or elsewhere (excepting, of course, using someone's actual name). I do think there is a sexist strain to the use of the term, because sexism and racism and classism are interwoven into all of this culture, including our language.

I respect that this is Jeff's site, and that he is concerned about the use of the term.

I'm a white, middle-aged woman, and I think that focusing on white, middle-aged women's feelings about "Karen" right now is really tone-deaf.

I think it’s tone deaf (and dangerous in the long term) to sweep sexism under the rug right now. A threat to justice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere and that includes injustice to women.
Black people say: show us your boards. The same can be said about women on the boards.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I've never called someone a "Karen," either here or elsewhere (excepting, of course, using someone's actual name). I do think there is a sexist strain to the use of the term, because sexism and racism and classism are interwoven into all of this culture, including our language.

I respect that this is Jeff's site, and that he is concerned about the use of the term.

I'm a white, middle-aged woman, and I think that focusing on white, middle-aged women's feelings about "Karen" right now is really tone-deaf.

I think it’s tone deaf (and dangerous in the long term) to sweep sexism under the rug right now. A threat to justice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere and that includes injustice to women.
Black people say: show us your boards. The same can be said about women on the boards.

You don't think it can be named as a sexist term without going on and on about someone's feelings in reaction to it, which recenters the discussion on their emotional reactions?