Who thinks it is ridiculous when someone says his/her child is bored in school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ To 7:39. Again, if you live in the burbs, your child will be identified as gifted and given accommodations including GT programs, magnets and TJ/Blair. In MoCo, 40% of kids are identified as gifted and given some accommodation, although fewer are accepted into magnets (as it should be, IMO).

I'm aware that in DC, if that's where you live, there are a number of competing concerns. One concern is budgetary. Another is the concern about potentially creating enclaves for high-SES kids.

These are the realities, whatever side you're on. Complaining repeaywdly, and insulting anonymous strangers on DCUM, are not going to change any of this - unfortunately. I think you need to put your big girl panties on, and either use CTY/do extra things at home, or move to the burbs. I'm not recommending anything the rest of us haven't already done.

Thank you for your concern about my panties! You have "me" confused with someone else.

What about responding to the suggestion that you do something constructive? Or do you just want to ignore it, and keep on blaming everyone else in your aggressively mean way?

repeaywdly...not me, but please stop, I cannot stop laughing...

You're actually laughing at some good advice? This is basically an admission that your only goal here is to be a turd/troll on the Internet.

I'm joining the other poster in calling you a hateful bigot. Also, I'll throw in gratis that you don't seem very bright. Buh bye!

Really leaving this time? You still have me confused with someone else.

[Anonymous]

The annoyance and frustration is that a.) the folks who keep saying "gifted kids don't get bored" are wrong - like all kids, they do get bored and b.) for those who do acknowledge that they get bored, they are basically just saying "yeah, so what?"

Kids are kids. They can get bored for many reasons. But we can known and understand why - and do something about it.

Kids who are developmentally behind can get bored because they can't understand and follow the material. In which case, there are different approaches to be used that are more tailored for their educational needs. Normal kids can get bored for a wide variety of reasons as well - for example, the teacher's approach may be very dull and dry, in which case either the teacher can get trained in better teaching methods or be replaced with a teacher that doesn't numb minds. Similarly, gifted and talented kids can and frequently do get bored in class because the pace is far too slow and repetetive for them, in which case a more accelerated plan would make sense.

We can know why these things happen, and we can do something about it. But all that anyone keeps saying here is "yeah but, yeah but..." and that's unacceptable. The schools get the money to teach kids regardless, and they have not been meeting the needs of those kids. It would make far more sense to group them and tailor their education according to needs rather than just fail them all - and, its not a money issue since the money gets spent regardless. With ability grouping, kids can be taught in different groups and more adequately meeting their needs for virtually the same cost as the current cost of lumping them all together and teaching them all the same way and not meeting most of their needs.

A PP said "for the sake of gifted kids" in complaint to those who were advocating on behalf of gifted kids - so if you truly care about gifted kids, what is your solution? And, by that, I mean a real solution. "Do nothing, accept that they get bored" is a total non-answer and basically says you don't really care about gifted kids (or for that matter, any other kids whose needs aren't being met).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A PP said "for the sake of gifted kids" in complaint to those who were advocating on behalf of gifted kids - so if you truly care about gifted kids, what is your solution? And, by that, I mean a real solution. "Do nothing, accept that they get bored" is a total non-answer and basically says you don't really care about gifted kids (or for that matter, any other kids whose needs aren't being met).

Once again, with feeling. With a silent hope that this time you might possibly pay attention.

Preliminaries:
1. Don't assume that boredom means your kid is gifted.
2. Don't act like a complete jerk on DCUM, calling other people jealous, plagiarizing, or twisting what they said.
3. Don't excuse bad behavior with giftedness, imagined or real. Work with your child yo control his/her bad behavior.

If your kid is bona fide gifted, then
1. Work with your kid's teacher.
2. AAP/magnets are a good thing. Nobody on this thread has ever said otherwise. If your kid really is bright, he will test in. So go for it.
3. If you want to get more funding for gifted programs, you should know that acting like a whiny child on DCUM will get you nowhere and is probably counterproductive.
4. Don't announce he went to Yale.
5. If the political/budget situation where you live is such that there won't be AAP/magnets in your district until your kid is on Social Security, then you need to move, homeschool or supplement. No amount of insulting people on DCUM is going to change this fundamental fact. So you need to put up or shut up.

I don't think I can make it any clearer. If you still don't understand any of this, I can't help you.

[Anonymous]

1.) most normal people don't confuse boredom with giftedness. Leave that diagnosis of confusion to be applied to the handful of wacky parents out there, don't go around applying everyone else with that broad brush, thank you.
2.) the same "don't act like a jerk" applies to everyone in every camp on this message board
3.) most normal people don't confuse bad behavior with giftedness. See 1.) above.

As for the solutions
1.) working with the teacher accomplishes little if they don't have the latitude to do anything with gifted kids
2.) Meaninfgul AAP/magnets/test in option doesn't exist in DC and it doesn't make sense to force people to have to relocate in order to meet their kid's needs - particularly given the fact that there are likely thousands of G&T kids in DC.
3.) The issue needs to be raised since there are clearly several posters in varying stages of denial here - for example, a.) those who only want to acknowledge the 0.01% genius level as gifted versus the 3-5% who may have 140 IQ, b.) those who immediately conflate anyone who talks about giftedness with elitism (with distinct undertones of racism) and basically shut down and refuse to have any rational discussion beyond that, c.) those who acknowledge that there are gifted kids, but who deludely think they are magical beings who have perfect behavior and never get bored, and so on. Clearly there are a lot of folks who really don't know what they are talking about.
4.) I can't comment on that one, my own experience was that I was a G&T kid from a poor background, was accepted at an Ivy but my family couldn't afford it, and now I'm a parent of a kid who tested very high as well and I need to know what solutions there are or could be.
5.) I live in DC, where they spend more per student than any district in the nation - and that includes spending more than the best school districts in the nation which do have things like excellent magnets and robust G&T programs - the money is there, it's just grossly mismanaged, and that's something that needs to be fixed as well.

Hope that clarifies as well.

[Anonymous]

So move to MD or VA and get your kid tested for all the great programs available there. Lots of the rest of us have moved for the schools. Insulting people on DCUM is not going to change anything in DC govt, in fact people are less sympathetic to gifted kids when they see your antics, not more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A PP said "for the sake of gifted kids" in complaint to those who were advocating on behalf of gifted kids - so if you truly care about gifted kids, what is your solution? And, by that, I mean a real solution. "Do nothing, accept that they get bored" is a total non-answer and basically says you don't really care about gifted kids (or for that matter, any other kids whose needs aren't being met).

Once again, with feeling. With a silent hope that this time you might possibly pay attention.

Preliminaries:
1. Don't assume that boredom means your kid is gifted.
2. Don't act like a complete jerk on DCUM, calling other people jealous, plagiarizing, or twisting what they said.
3. Don't excuse bad behavior with giftedness, imagined or real. Work with your child yo control his/her bad behavior.

If your kid is bona fide gifted, then
1. Work with your kid's teacher.
2. AAP/magnets are a good thing. Nobody on this thread has ever said otherwise. If your kid really is bright, he will test in. So go for it.
3. If you want to get more funding for gifted programs, you should know that acting like a whiny child on DCUM will get you nowhere and is probably counterproductive.
4. Don't announce he went to Yale.
5. If the political/budget situation where you live is such that there won't be AAP/magnets in your district until your kid is on Social Security, then you need to move, homeschool or supplement. No amount of insulting people on DCUM is going to change this fundamental fact. So you need to put up or shut up.

I don't think I can make it any clearer. If you still don't understand any of this, I can't help you.

Unclench. You have once again taken several persons and point of view and made them into one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1.) most normal people don't confuse boredom with giftedness. Leave that diagnosis of confusion to be applied to the handful of wacky parents out there, don't go around applying everyone else with that broad brush, thank you.
2.) the same "don't act like a jerk" applies to everyone in every camp on this message board
3.) most normal people don't confuse bad behavior with giftedness. See 1.) above.

As for the solutions
1.) working with the teacher accomplishes little if they don't have the latitude to do anything with gifted kids
2.) Meaninfgul AAP/magnets/test in option doesn't exist in DC and it doesn't make sense to force people to have to relocate in order to meet their kid's needs - particularly given the fact that there are likely thousands of G&T kids in DC.
3.) The issue needs to be raised since there are clearly several posters in varying stages of denial here - for example, a.) those who only want to acknowledge the 0.01% genius level as gifted versus the 3-5% who may have 140 IQ, b.) those who immediately conflate anyone who talks about giftedness with elitism (with distinct undertones of racism) and basically shut down and refuse to have any rational discussion beyond that, c.) those who acknowledge that there are gifted kids, but who deludely think they are magical beings who have perfect behavior and never get bored, and so on. Clearly there are a lot of folks who really don't know what they are talking about.
4.) I can't comment on that one, my own experience was that I was a G&T kid from a poor background, was accepted at an Ivy but my family couldn't afford it, and now I'm a parent of a kid who tested very high as well and I need to know what solutions there are or could be.
5.) I live in DC, where they spend more per student than any district in the nation - and that includes spending more than the best school districts in the nation which do have things like excellent magnets and robust G&T programs - the money is there, it's just grossly mismanaged, and that's something that needs to be fixed as well.

Hope that clarifies as well.

Breath our slowly.

[Anonymous]

Ha^ breathe out slowly and get back to work, now missy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ha^ breathe out slowly and get back to work, now missy.

Troll.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's a lot more than just two involved in this thread, but I think there's only one spiteful skeptical disbeliever in the existence of bored G&T kids who's gone into full-blown frothing rant mode with post after post descending further and further into anger and incoherence.

None of that has changed the fact that there are indeed G&T kids who when left to their own devices, do indeed get bored and sometimes disruptive in school due to not being sufficiently challenged and stimulated. And, that this can be alleviated by providing them with more academic rigor and guidance to help them expend that brainpower in more constructive and productive ways. The actual experiences of those of us who know this will never be changed by any amount of frothing rants.

I'm not the ranter and I also believe truly gifted kids don't get bored.

Do you understand how offensive this is?

If a kid is bored, then he must not be "truly gifted."

Why is my belief offensive to anyone? If you think you have a gifted kid who is bored because of his giftedness, I do NOT agree with that. I also think I have gifted kids and don't believe either is bored because of their giftedness. I don't think your views are offensive, so take your judgments elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's a lot more than just two involved in this thread, but I think there's only one spiteful skeptical disbeliever in the existence of bored G&T kids who's gone into full-blown frothing rant mode with post after post descending further and further into anger and incoherence.

None of that has changed the fact that there are indeed G&T kids who when left to their own devices, do indeed get bored and sometimes disruptive in school due to not being sufficiently challenged and stimulated. And, that this can be alleviated by providing them with more academic rigor and guidance to help them expend that brainpower in more constructive and productive ways. The actual experiences of those of us who know this will never be changed by any amount of frothing rants.

I'm not the ranter and I also believe truly gifted kids don't get bored.

Do you understand how offensive this is?

If a kid is bored, then he must not be "truly gifted."

Yes, that is the assertion, essentially. However it's more frequently used as a retort in the converse, i.e. the parent who has a child with problematic behavior who immediately goes to "aha! my child is gifted!" I.e., boredom in children is not an indicator of giftedness as many, MANY people seem to believe, probably because it's a popular myth.

I give up. You are an ignorant, hateful bigot. You win.

A bigot? Get off your high horse. We are fearful you will fall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ha^ breathe out slowly and get back to work, now missy.

Troll.

Yes, there is definitely a troll in our midst. Lucky us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's a lot more than just two involved in this thread, but I think there's only one spiteful skeptical disbeliever in the existence of bored G&T kids who's gone into full-blown frothing rant mode with post after post descending further and further into anger and incoherence.

None of that has changed the fact that there are indeed G&T kids who when left to their own devices, do indeed get bored and sometimes disruptive in school due to not being sufficiently challenged and stimulated. And, that this can be alleviated by providing them with more academic rigor and guidance to help them expend that brainpower in more constructive and productive ways. The actual experiences of those of us who know this will never be changed by any amount of frothing rants.

I'm not the ranter and I also believe truly gifted kids don't get bored.

Do you understand how offensive this is?

If a kid is bored, then he must not be "truly gifted."

Why is my belief offensive to anyone? If you think you have a gifted kid who is bored because of his giftedness, I do NOT agree with that. I also think I have gifted kids and don't believe either is bored because of their giftedness. I don't think your views are offensive, so take your judgments elsewhere.

I for one don't necessarily consider it "offensive" but it does certainly make it crystal clear that whoever posted that statement of If a kid is bored, then he must not be "truly gifted." is without a doubt clueless and does not know what they are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Why is my belief offensive to anyone? If you think you have a gifted kid who is bored because of his giftedness, I do NOT agree with that. I also think I have gifted kids and don't believe either is bored because of their giftedness. I don't think your views are offensive, so take your judgments elsewhere.

Why? It is offensive. Your kids are not the ultimate guideline.

[Anonymous]

I think it is the poster's assumptions about truly gifted -- she can tell-- that strike the wrong note. Also the truly gifted -- that is differently from the falsely gifted-- that are everywhere, never get bored. Their true giftedness keeps them entertained. Makes me think she actually does not know anything. I think she should try some gifted classrooms sometime.