Who thinks it is ridiculous when someone says his/her child is bored in school?

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Anonymous wrote:My kid has very close to a photographic memory, and is a speed reader. Tests exceptionally high across the board.

In kinder, the teacher would not recognize this for about the first semester until the child was tested by the school. He got in lots of trouble. I used the word bored, incorrectly. He was not bored; he was filling his time with all sorts of disruptive behavior. Once the academics fell into place, the behavior did a 180.

In 1st grade, the teacher had GT certification, and would modify curriculum for my kid and one other. She also let him read ahead, read independently, do brain teasers & math puzzles when his work was done if everyone else was still learning/working. Her was never bored in first grade.

In 2nd grade, the teacher was very resistant to the idea differentiation and gifted education (different school). The kid was BORED. Coincidentally, the majority of the class was lower leveled academically. The teacher told us that her focus was on them (I understood) and refused to offer differentiation. This school's standards were also a year behind or more than the previous school. My kid spent the year sneaking books, day dreaming, fidgiting. AND tutoring classmates and going to the kindergarten & first grade classes to tutor new readers. As a 2nd grader. Yes, he was very bored & wasted the year. He did not cause trouble, but there was another boy equally advanced who did cause trouble. I guarantee that boy was bored out of his mind. Maybe he wouldn't have caused trouble if the school and teacher would have put some effort into finding something to teach this child. We are talking 2nd graders here.

3rd grade landed him a fabulous teacher very open to differentiation and letting my kid work ahead and delve into topics more in depth, and I don't think he was bored for a single second that year.

Now he is in a program more suited to his ability, and boredom is completely eliminated.

So yes, from my experience with my child, and from watching that other 2nd grader get in trouble repeatedly, I firmly believe that in certain classrooms with certain teachers, gifted students can indeed be bored, and become poor students as a result of that daily, mind numbing learning environment.

Describes my DS also who just graduted form Yale with high honors.

And my Columbia kid who hasn't yet graduated was always extremely well-behaved. A quick Google will show you that Columbia is about as hard (within a few .01's) to get into as Yale. An anecdote doesn't make a dataset. Your point?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some kids get bored because they don't understand, some get bored because they already understand (the gifted kids), some get bored because the teacher is a drone, and some get bored because they can't see why they should care.

I don't think gifted kids are special in this regard, getting bored in class. In fact, I believe, based on experience, that gifted kids probably have more resources than the other three groups to deal with boredom.

If the question on this thread is, should we excuse bad behavior from gifted kids, put me firmly in the "no" camp.

I'm not excusing bad behavior from gifted kids. I am saying that the solution is not applying more beatings until morale improves.

See, it's exaggerations and misrepresentations like this that make you look like a loon and destroy any sympathy for gifted kids. If you think you're using DCUM to wage a social media effort on behalf if gifted kids, you're actually having a very destructive effect. Please grow up, for the sake of gifted kids everywhere.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ To 7:39. Again, if you live in the burbs, your child will be identified as gifted and given accommodations including GT programs, magnets and TJ/Blair. In MoCo, 40% of kids are identified as gifted and given some accommodation, although fewer are accepted into magnets (as it should be, IMO).

I'm aware that in DC, if that's where you live, there are a number of competing concerns. One concern is budgetary. Another is the concern about potentially creating enclaves for high-SES kids.

These are the realities, whatever side you're on. Complaining repeaywdly, and insulting anonymous strangers on DCUM, are not going to change any of this - unfortunately. I think you need to put your big girl panties on, and either use CTY/do extra things at home, or move to the burbs. I'm not recommending anything the rest of us haven't already done.

Thank you for your concern about my panties! You have "me" confused with someone else.

What about responding to the suggestion that you do something constructive? Or do you just want to ignore it, and keep on blaming everyone else in your aggressively mean way?

[Anonymous]

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Describes my DS also who just graduted form Yale with high honors.

And my Columbia kid who hasn't yet graduated was always extremely well-behaved. A quick Google will show you that Columbia is about as hard (within a few .01's) to get into as Yale. An anecdote doesn't make a dataset. Your point?

US News says Columbia was HARDER to get into than Yale (7.0% vs 7.7% for Fall 2011). So I guess the REALLY smart kids are well-behaved.

Actually, I feel silly posting this. But Yale mom, if she's done any statistics, is the one who should feel really silly.

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Describes my DS also who just graduted form Yale with high honors.

And my Columbia kid who hasn't yet graduated was always extremely well-behaved. A quick Google will show you that Columbia is about as hard (within a few .01's) to get into as Yale. An anecdote doesn't make a dataset. Your point?

US News says Columbia was HARDER to get into than Yale (7.0% vs 7.7% for Fall 2011). So I guess the REALLY smart kids are well-behaved.

Actually, I feel silly posting this. But Yale mom, if she's done any statistics, is the one who should feel really silly.

So in dcum land, the nonsense continues into college?

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Describes my DS also who just graduted form Yale with high honors.

And my Columbia kid who hasn't yet graduated was always extremely well-behaved. A quick Google will show you that Columbia is about as hard (within a few .01's) to get into as Yale. An anecdote doesn't make a dataset. Your point?

US News says Columbia was HARDER to get into than Yale (7.0% vs 7.7% for Fall 2011). So I guess the REALLY smart kids are well-behaved.

Actually, I feel silly posting this. But Yale mom, if she's done any statistics, is the one who should feel really silly.

So in dcum land, the nonsense continues into college?

Oh my goodness yes. There was a recent thread mocking the term "top ivy" on the college forum. But if you really want to take a deep dive into a pool of anxiety and posing, visit collegeconfidential.com.

[Anonymous]

Yale mom here: Really do not care how Yale compares. It is a fine school. DS is Ok with the rating.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a lot more than just two involved in this thread, but I think there's only one spiteful skeptical disbeliever in the existence of bored G&T kids who's gone into full-blown frothing rant mode with post after post descending further and further into anger and incoherence.

None of that has changed the fact that there are indeed G&T kids who when left to their own devices, do indeed get bored and sometimes disruptive in school due to not being sufficiently challenged and stimulated. And, that this can be alleviated by providing them with more academic rigor and guidance to help them expend that brainpower in more constructive and productive ways. The actual experiences of those of us who know this will never be changed by any amount of frothing rants.

I'm not the ranter and I also believe truly gifted kids don't get bored.

Do you understand how offensive this is?

If a kid is bored, then he must not be "truly gifted."

Yes, that is the assertion, essentially. However it's more frequently used as a retort in the converse, i.e. the parent who has a child with problematic behavior who immediately goes to "aha! my child is gifted!" I.e., boredom in children is not an indicator of giftedness as many, MANY people seem to believe, probably because it's a popular myth.

I give up. You are an ignorant, hateful bigot. You win.

PP, I've been in your place with my frustration with this poster. When I reached your point of frustration, she slammed me. She wants to pick a fight, that's all.

I pointed out her plagiarism, but I've also tried right above to urge her to do something constructive, like move to VA for AAP. We loved our DC condo, the walkability and the rest. But at the end of the day you need to stop being angry, realize that picking fights is immature and counter- productive, and do something. We moved.

You have not been in any place with me. I'm not a "she" for one. And so far as I can tell, we've never interacted at all.

I know you're shocked that there are multiple people here who are reacting badly to you. But that says a lot more about you than it does about us.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ To 7:39. Again, if you live in the burbs, your child will be identified as gifted and given accommodations including GT programs, magnets and TJ/Blair. In MoCo, 40% of kids are identified as gifted and given some accommodation, although fewer are accepted into magnets (as it should be, IMO).

I'm aware that in DC, if that's where you live, there are a number of competing concerns. One concern is budgetary. Another is the concern about potentially creating enclaves for high-SES kids.

These are the realities, whatever side you're on. Complaining repeaywdly, and insulting anonymous strangers on DCUM, are not going to change any of this - unfortunately. I think you need to put your big girl panties on, and either use CTY/do extra things at home, or move to the burbs. I'm not recommending anything the rest of us haven't already done.

Thank you for your concern about my panties! You have "me" confused with someone else.

What about responding to the suggestion that you do something constructive? Or do you just want to ignore it, and keep on blaming everyone else in your aggressively mean way?

repeaywdly...not me, but please stop, I cannot stop laughing...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yale mom here: Really do not care how Yale compares. It is a fine school. DS is Ok with the rating.

Except that your point was ridiculous and so easily debunked. But carry on....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^^ To 7:39. Again, if you live in the burbs, your child will be identified as gifted and given accommodations including GT programs, magnets and TJ/Blair. In MoCo, 40% of kids are identified as gifted and given some accommodation, although fewer are accepted into magnets (as it should be, IMO).

I'm aware that in DC, if that's where you live, there are a number of competing concerns. One concern is budgetary. Another is the concern about potentially creating enclaves for high-SES kids.

These are the realities, whatever side you're on. Complaining repeaywdly, and insulting anonymous strangers on DCUM, are not going to change any of this - unfortunately. I think you need to put your big girl panties on, and either use CTY/do extra things at home, or move to the burbs. I'm not recommending anything the rest of us haven't already done.

Thank you for your concern about my panties! You have "me" confused with someone else.

What about responding to the suggestion that you do something constructive? Or do you just want to ignore it, and keep on blaming everyone else in your aggressively mean way?

repeaywdly...not me, but please stop, I cannot stop laughing...

You're actually laughing at some good advice? This is basically an admission that your only goal here is to be a turd/troll on the Internet.

I'm joining the other poster in calling you a hateful bigot. Also, I'll throw in gratis that you don't seem very bright. Buh bye!

[Anonymous]

This thread is still going???

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's a lot more than just two involved in this thread, but I think there's only one spiteful skeptical disbeliever in the existence of bored G&T kids who's gone into full-blown frothing rant mode with post after post descending further and further into anger and incoherence.

None of that has changed the fact that there are indeed G&T kids who when left to their own devices, do indeed get bored and sometimes disruptive in school due to not being sufficiently challenged and stimulated. And, that this can be alleviated by providing them with more academic rigor and guidance to help them expend that brainpower in more constructive and productive ways. The actual experiences of those of us who know this will never be changed by any amount of frothing rants.

I'm not the ranter and I also believe truly gifted kids don't get bored.

Do you understand how offensive this is?

If a kid is bored, then he must not be "truly gifted."

Yes, that is the assertion, essentially. However it's more frequently used as a retort in the converse, i.e. the parent who has a child with problematic behavior who immediately goes to "aha! my child is gifted!" I.e., boredom in children is not an indicator of giftedness as many, MANY people seem to believe, probably because it's a popular myth.

I give up. You are an ignorant, hateful bigot. You win.

PP, I've been in your place with my frustration with this poster. When I reached your point of frustration, she slammed me. She wants to pick a fight, that's all.

I pointed out her plagiarism, but I've also tried right above to urge her to do something constructive, like move to VA for AAP. We loved our DC condo, the walkability and the rest. But at the end of the day you need to stop being angry, realize that picking fights is immature and counter- productive, and do something. We moved.

You have not been in any place with me. I'm not a "she" for one. And so far as I can tell, we've never interacted at all.

I know you're shocked that there are multiple people here who are reacting badly to you. But that says a lot more about you than it does about us.

Oh, lord. That explains a lot. How many times a day do you measure your dick?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's a lot more than just two involved in this thread, but I think there's only one spiteful skeptical disbeliever in the existence of bored G&T kids who's gone into full-blown frothing rant mode with post after post descending further and further into anger and incoherence.

None of that has changed the fact that there are indeed G&T kids who when left to their own devices, do indeed get bored and sometimes disruptive in school due to not being sufficiently challenged and stimulated. And, that this can be alleviated by providing them with more academic rigor and guidance to help them expend that brainpower in more constructive and productive ways. The actual experiences of those of us who know this will never be changed by any amount of frothing rants.

I'm not the ranter and I also believe truly gifted kids don't get bored.

Do you understand how offensive this is?

If a kid is bored, then he must not be "truly gifted."

Yes, that is the assertion, essentially. However it's more frequently used as a retort in the converse, i.e. the parent who has a child with problematic behavior who immediately goes to "aha! my child is gifted!" I.e., boredom in children is not an indicator of giftedness as many, MANY people seem to believe, probably because it's a popular myth.

I give up. You are an ignorant, hateful bigot. You win.

PP, I've been in your place with my frustration with this poster. When I reached your point of frustration, she slammed me. She wants to pick a fight, that's all.

I pointed out her plagiarism, but I've also tried right above to urge her to do something constructive, like move to VA for AAP. We loved our DC condo, the walkability and the rest. But at the end of the day you need to stop being angry, realize that picking fights is immature and counter- productive, and do something. We moved.

You have not been in any place with me. I'm not a "she" for one. And so far as I can tell, we've never interacted at all.

I know you're shocked that there are multiple people here who are reacting badly to you. But that says a lot more about you than it does about us.

Oh, lord. That explains a lot. How many times a day do you measure your dick?

LOL!