Greendland - why not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Negotiations with Denmark are starting soon.

Greenland is needed for the long-term defense of the USA, the Western Hemisphere, and of the EU.

If NATO is to stay intact, the USA must have Greenland. Failure of Greenlanders & Denmark to make a deal with the USA will result in the USA withdrawing from NATO. The USA doesn't need NATO anywhere near as much as the other NATO countries need the USA.

NATO is much more valuable to the US vs EU. Without NATO the US will not have access to European and many navy/Air Force bases around the world. The US could not attack Iran without NATO and Diego Garcia. Yes the European are concerned about Russia but they are not scared of Russia.

Russia is not able to invade Ukraine a country with a 10th of its GDP and a 5th of its population. How would Russia invade NATO? NATO without the US has 5 times Russia’s population and 15 times its GDP.

You people make statements without facts. Without NATO the US will have to spend 5 times what it’s now does on defense and would still be a lot less capable. The logistics alone are non replaceable-no medical facilities Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, no air tankers, no access to EU airspace, no resupply of the fleet, no forwards deployed equipment, etc. If NATO ends it would cripple the US military.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What NATO should do is commit to having a permanent multi-national NATO force on the island at all times, further building out capabilities and infrastructure.

That would likely turn down the temperature and force a shared commitment.

That sounds very rational, but Trump's desire for Greenland has nothing to do with defence. This is about Trump's ego. If Trump cared about defence and national security, he would not threaten a NATO ally with military force. He would instead negotiate the addition of more bases/forces on the island, which he has the right to do in accordance with the treaty.

Everyone, please stop treating Trump as a rational actor. He is a narcissistic psychopath.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So republicans are going to attack Greenland in winter. They will bomb and destroy infrastructure forcing the 600k residents of Greenland out on to the ice. For what?

The total population of Greenland is approximately 57,000. Over 26% (15,000) of Greenland's residents are above age 55.

Greenland needs to hold a special election ASAP to determine whether the new national language should be Mandarin or English. It's that simple.

Denmark cannot defend Greenland. Denmark's entire military has fewer members than the NYC police force.

Denmark has no legal or historical right to claim Greenland.

Greenlanders do not want to be Danish citizens. Greenlanders want to be Greenlanders, but this is unrealistic as both China & Russia want to occupy Greenland.

The USA can best defend and develop Greenland for the mutual benefit of Greenlanders, Americans, NATO members, and the Danish.

Greenland must become part of America in our rapidly developing and changing world or China will dominate.

Historically, the US has tried to purchase Greenland more than once.

So, Greenland--what do you prefer--to learn to speak Mandarin or to learn English ?

China has no interest in Greenland. It is covered by 2-3 miles of ICE. Trump said he trusts Russia. So no threat from the Russian! The dems have said if Trump takes Greenland they will grant Greenland independence from the US and pay compensation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Negotiations with Denmark are starting soon.

Greenland is needed for the long-term defense of the USA, the Western Hemisphere, and of the EU.

If NATO is to stay intact, the USA must have Greenland. Failure of Greenlanders & Denmark to make a deal with the USA will result in the USA withdrawing from NATO. The USA doesn't need NATO anywhere near as much as the other NATO countries need the USA.

NATO is much more valuable to the US vs EU. Without NATO the US will not have access to European and many navy/Air Force bases around the world. The US could not attack Iran without NATO and Diego Garcia. Yes the European are concerned about Russia but they are not scared of Russia.

Russia is not able to invade Ukraine a country with a 10th of its GDP and a 5th of its population. How would Russia invade NATO? NATO without the US has 5 times Russia’s population and 15 times its GDP.

You people make statements without facts. Without NATO the US will have to spend 5 times what it’s now does on defense and would still be a lot less capable. The logistics alone are non replaceable-no medical facilities Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, no air tankers, no access to EU airspace, no resupply of the fleet, no forwards deployed equipment, etc. If NATO ends it would cripple the US military.

Kicking the US out of bases in Europe would have a lot of negative economic consequences for those communities, so I don’t think most countries actually do it. Makes sense to bluff about it I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Negotiations with Denmark are starting soon.

Greenland is needed for the long-term defense of the USA, the Western Hemisphere, and of the EU.

If NATO is to stay intact, the USA must have Greenland. Failure of Greenlanders & Denmark to make a deal with the USA will result in the USA withdrawing from NATO. The USA doesn't need NATO anywhere near as much as the other NATO countries need the USA.

NATO is much more valuable to the US vs EU. Without NATO the US will not have access to European and many navy/Air Force bases around the world. The US could not attack Iran without NATO and Diego Garcia. Yes the European are concerned about Russia but they are not scared of Russia.

Russia is not able to invade Ukraine a country with a 10th of its GDP and a 5th of its population. How would Russia invade NATO? NATO without the US has 5 times Russia’s population and 15 times its GDP.

You people make statements without facts. Without NATO the US will have to spend 5 times what it’s now does on defense and would still be a lot less capable. The logistics alone are non replaceable-no medical facilities Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, no air tankers, no access to EU airspace, no resupply of the fleet, no forwards deployed equipment, etc. If NATO ends it would cripple the US military.

Kicking the US out of bases in Europe would have a lot of negative economic consequences for those communities, so I don’t think most countries actually do it. Makes sense to bluff about it I guess.

The US will absolutely lose its bases in Europe if it chooses to take Greenland. It is the end of NATO. Europe will look upon the US as a dangerous enemy and will move accordingly. There will be no US military presence in Europe at all. It's over. We are the baddies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Negotiations with Denmark are starting soon.

Greenland is needed for the long-term defense of the USA, the Western Hemisphere, and of the EU.

If NATO is to stay intact, the USA must have Greenland. Failure of Greenlanders & Denmark to make a deal with the USA will result in the USA withdrawing from NATO. The USA doesn't need NATO anywhere near as much as the other NATO countries need the USA.

NATO is much more valuable to the US vs EU. Without NATO the US will not have access to European and many navy/Air Force bases around the world. The US could not attack Iran without NATO and Diego Garcia. Yes the European are concerned about Russia but they are not scared of Russia.

Russia is not able to invade Ukraine a country with a 10th of its GDP and a 5th of its population. How would Russia invade NATO? NATO without the US has 5 times Russia’s population and 15 times its GDP.

You people make statements without facts. Without NATO the US will have to spend 5 times what it’s now does on defense and would still be a lot less capable. The logistics alone are non replaceable-no medical facilities Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, no air tankers, no access to EU airspace, no resupply of the fleet, no forwards deployed equipment, etc. If NATO ends it would cripple the US military.

Kicking the US out of bases in Europe would have a lot of negative economic consequences for those communities, so I don’t think most countries actually do it. Makes sense to bluff about it I guess.

Oh, they will. You think that they’d swallow an act of war to keep their cafeteria workers happy?

Lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Negotiations with Denmark are starting soon.

Greenland is needed for the long-term defense of the USA, the Western Hemisphere, and of the EU.

If NATO is to stay intact, the USA must have Greenland. Failure of Greenlanders & Denmark to make a deal with the USA will result in the USA withdrawing from NATO. The USA doesn't need NATO anywhere near as much as the other NATO countries need the USA.

NATO is much more valuable to the US vs EU. Without NATO the US will not have access to European and many navy/Air Force bases around the world. The US could not attack Iran without NATO and Diego Garcia. Yes the European are concerned about Russia but they are not scared of Russia.

Russia is not able to invade Ukraine a country with a 10th of its GDP and a 5th of its population. How would Russia invade NATO? NATO without the US has 5 times Russia’s population and 15 times its GDP.

You people make statements without facts. Without NATO the US will have to spend 5 times what it’s now does on defense and would still be a lot less capable. The logistics alone are non replaceable-no medical facilities Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, no air tankers, no access to EU airspace, no resupply of the fleet, no forwards deployed equipment, etc. If NATO ends it would cripple the US military.

Kicking the US out of bases in Europe would have a lot of negative economic consequences for those communities, so I don’t think most countries actually do it. Makes sense to bluff about it I guess.

You genuinely believe that the US can bully countries as much as it wants and it will face no negative consequences. When has human nature ever proved that to be true?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Negotiations with Denmark are starting soon.

Greenland is needed for the long-term defense of the USA, the Western Hemisphere, and of the EU.

If NATO is to stay intact, the USA must have Greenland. Failure of Greenlanders & Denmark to make a deal with the USA will result in the USA withdrawing from NATO. The USA doesn't need NATO anywhere near as much as the other NATO countries need the USA.

NATO is much more valuable to the US vs EU. Without NATO the US will not have access to European and many navy/Air Force bases around the world. The US could not attack Iran without NATO and Diego Garcia. Yes the European are concerned about Russia but they are not scared of Russia.

Russia is not able to invade Ukraine a country with a 10th of its GDP and a 5th of its population. How would Russia invade NATO? NATO without the US has 5 times Russia’s population and 15 times its GDP.

You people make statements without facts. Without NATO the US will have to spend 5 times what it’s now does on defense and would still be a lot less capable. The logistics alone are non replaceable-no medical facilities Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, no air tankers, no access to EU airspace, no resupply of the fleet, no forwards deployed equipment, etc. If NATO ends it would cripple the US military.

Kicking the US out of bases in Europe would have a lot of negative economic consequences for those communities, so I don’t think most countries actually do it. Makes sense to bluff about it I guess.

The US will absolutely lose its bases in Europe if it chooses to take Greenland. It is the end of NATO. Europe will look upon the US as a dangerous enemy and will move accordingly. There will be no US military presence in Europe at all. It's over. We are the baddies.

This all the nonsense of China and Russian being the enemy. At some point if not mostly there the rest of the world will view the US that way.

[Anonymous]

Now Trump wants to make Greenland a state.

So they would get statehood before DC.

Of course, they don't want to be a part of the US, but what is a little neo-colonialism and extortion to get what you want?

(sarcasm)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Negotiations with Denmark are starting soon.

Greenland is needed for the long-term defense of the USA, the Western Hemisphere, and of the EU.

If NATO is to stay intact, the USA must have Greenland. Failure of Greenlanders & Denmark to make a deal with the USA will result in the USA withdrawing from NATO. The USA doesn't need NATO anywhere near as much as the other NATO countries need the USA.

NATO is much more valuable to the US vs EU. Without NATO the US will not have access to European and many navy/Air Force bases around the world. The US could not attack Iran without NATO and Diego Garcia. Yes the European are concerned about Russia but they are not scared of Russia.

Russia is not able to invade Ukraine a country with a 10th of its GDP and a 5th of its population. How would Russia invade NATO? NATO without the US has 5 times Russia’s population and 15 times its GDP.

You people make statements without facts. Without NATO the US will have to spend 5 times what it’s now does on defense and would still be a lot less capable. The logistics alone are non replaceable-no medical facilities Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, no air tankers, no access to EU airspace, no resupply of the fleet, no forwards deployed equipment, etc. If NATO ends it would cripple the US military.

Kicking the US out of bases in Europe would have a lot of negative economic consequences for those communities, so I don’t think most countries actually do it. Makes sense to bluff about it I guess.

The US will absolutely lose its bases in Europe if it chooses to take Greenland. It is the end of NATO. Europe will look upon the US as a dangerous enemy and will move accordingly. There will be no US military presence in Europe at all. It's over. We are the baddies.

This all the nonsense of China and Russian being the enemy. At some point if not mostly there the rest of the world will view the US that way.

What countries would you consider to be allies in the USA right now?

I honestly can’t think of any useful or righteous countries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Negotiations with Denmark are starting soon.

Greenland is needed for the long-term defense of the USA, the Western Hemisphere, and of the EU.

If NATO is to stay intact, the USA must have Greenland. Failure of Greenlanders & Denmark to make a deal with the USA will result in the USA withdrawing from NATO. The USA doesn't need NATO anywhere near as much as the other NATO countries need the USA.

NATO is much more valuable to the US vs EU. Without NATO the US will not have access to European and many navy/Air Force bases around the world. The US could not attack Iran without NATO and Diego Garcia. Yes the European are concerned about Russia but they are not scared of Russia.

Russia is not able to invade Ukraine a country with a 10th of its GDP and a 5th of its population. How would Russia invade NATO? NATO without the US has 5 times Russia’s population and 15 times its GDP.

You people make statements without facts. Without NATO the US will have to spend 5 times what it’s now does on defense and would still be a lot less capable. The logistics alone are non replaceable-no medical facilities Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, no air tankers, no access to EU airspace, no resupply of the fleet, no forwards deployed equipment, etc. If NATO ends it would cripple the US military.

Kicking the US out of bases in Europe would have a lot of negative economic consequences for those communities, so I don’t think most countries actually do it. Makes sense to bluff about it I guess.

The US will absolutely lose its bases in Europe if it chooses to take Greenland. It is the end of NATO. Europe will look upon the US as a dangerous enemy and will move accordingly. There will be no US military presence in Europe at all. It's over. We are the baddies.

This all the nonsense of China and Russian being the enemy. At some point if not mostly there the rest of the world will view the US that way.

What countries would you consider to be allies in the USA right now?

I honestly can’t think of any useful or righteous countries.

Bit of a punch in the guts for those countries that spilled their own blood for the US in Afghanistan or foolishly followed the US into Iraq?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Negotiations with Denmark are starting soon.

Greenland is needed for the long-term defense of the USA, the Western Hemisphere, and of the EU.

If NATO is to stay intact, the USA must have Greenland. Failure of Greenlanders & Denmark to make a deal with the USA will result in the USA withdrawing from NATO. The USA doesn't need NATO anywhere near as much as the other NATO countries need the USA.

NATO is much more valuable to the US vs EU. Without NATO the US will not have access to European and many navy/Air Force bases around the world. The US could not attack Iran without NATO and Diego Garcia. Yes the European are concerned about Russia but they are not scared of Russia.

Russia is not able to invade Ukraine a country with a 10th of its GDP and a 5th of its population. How would Russia invade NATO? NATO without the US has 5 times Russia’s population and 15 times its GDP.

You people make statements without facts. Without NATO the US will have to spend 5 times what it’s now does on defense and would still be a lot less capable. The logistics alone are non replaceable-no medical facilities Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, no air tankers, no access to EU airspace, no resupply of the fleet, no forwards deployed equipment, etc. If NATO ends it would cripple the US military.

Kicking the US out of bases in Europe would have a lot of negative economic consequences for those communities, so I don’t think most countries actually do it. Makes sense to bluff about it I guess.

NATO without the US has a GDP of 27 trillion. The US’s GDP is 29 trillion. They do not need US bases for their economy. Have you ever lived around a US base? It usually has higher crime and lot of sketchy business.

In addition to losing the bases, NATO members do not need the expensive outdated weapons system the US defense contractor put out and will stop buying them. This will drive the price for those system way up. F-35 will increase by 25-40% for new planes and maintenance cost will double. That is just one system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Negotiations with Denmark are starting soon.

Greenland is needed for the long-term defense of the USA, the Western Hemisphere, and of the EU.

If NATO is to stay intact, the USA must have Greenland. Failure of Greenlanders & Denmark to make a deal with the USA will result in the USA withdrawing from NATO. The USA doesn't need NATO anywhere near as much as the other NATO countries need the USA.

NATO is much more valuable to the US vs EU. Without NATO the US will not have access to European and many navy/Air Force bases around the world. The US could not attack Iran without NATO and Diego Garcia. Yes the European are concerned about Russia but they are not scared of Russia.

Russia is not able to invade Ukraine a country with a 10th of its GDP and a 5th of its population. How would Russia invade NATO? NATO without the US has 5 times Russia’s population and 15 times its GDP.

You people make statements without facts. Without NATO the US will have to spend 5 times what it’s now does on defense and would still be a lot less capable. The logistics alone are non replaceable-no medical facilities Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, no air tankers, no access to EU airspace, no resupply of the fleet, no forwards deployed equipment, etc. If NATO ends it would cripple the US military.

Kicking the US out of bases in Europe would have a lot of negative economic consequences for those communities, so I don’t think most countries actually do it. Makes sense to bluff about it I guess.

The US will absolutely lose its bases in Europe if it chooses to take Greenland. It is the end of NATO. Europe will look upon the US as a dangerous enemy and will move accordingly. There will be no US military presence in Europe at all. It's over. We are the baddies.

Doesn't even matter how EU reacts - we will be legendary baddies for generations. Understand the short and long term impacts. Short term differs from long term - no matter what happens as a reaction to the move, the true story is that US took a sovereign country's territory away from them. Whether pay them or fight them, what will be remembered by all is how the US bullied an ally.

How do you think this may impact our relations moving forward the next 40-50 years????!!! Look at the results of WW2 and then consider the last 50-60 years of goodwill the world has given us as a result of that story, and now imagine how the future looks for US foreign relations with us taking Greenland!

They won't actually have to lift a finger against us as history will have judged us by putting the nail on the coffin for any friendships we'll ever have. Whatever repercussion short term will hurt somewhat but doesn't compare to the long term reputation we will suffer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Now Trump wants to make Greenland a state.

So they would get statehood before DC.

Of course, they don't want to be a part of the US, but what is a little neo-colonialism and extortion to get what you want?

(sarcasm)

Trump also thinks that you can strap an extra engine to the F-35. He’s a moron.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Negotiations with Denmark are starting soon.

Greenland is needed for the long-term defense of the USA, the Western Hemisphere, and of the EU.

If NATO is to stay intact, the USA must have Greenland. Failure of Greenlanders & Denmark to make a deal with the USA will result in the USA withdrawing from NATO. The USA doesn't need NATO anywhere near as much as the other NATO countries need the USA.

NATO is much more valuable to the US vs EU. Without NATO the US will not have access to European and many navy/Air Force bases around the world. The US could not attack Iran without NATO and Diego Garcia. Yes the European are concerned about Russia but they are not scared of Russia.

Russia is not able to invade Ukraine a country with a 10th of its GDP and a 5th of its population. How would Russia invade NATO? NATO without the US has 5 times Russia’s population and 15 times its GDP.

You people make statements without facts. Without NATO the US will have to spend 5 times what it’s now does on defense and would still be a lot less capable. The logistics alone are non replaceable-no medical facilities Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, no air tankers, no access to EU airspace, no resupply of the fleet, no forwards deployed equipment, etc. If NATO ends it would cripple the US military.

Kicking the US out of bases in Europe would have a lot of negative economic consequences for those communities, so I don’t think most countries actually do it. Makes sense to bluff about it I guess.

The US will absolutely lose its bases in Europe if it chooses to take Greenland. It is the end of NATO. Europe will look upon the US as a dangerous enemy and will move accordingly. There will be no US military presence in Europe at all. It's over. We are the baddies.

Doesn't even matter how EU reacts - we will be legendary baddies for generations. Understand the short and long term impacts. Short term differs from long term - no matter what happens as a reaction to the move, the true story is that US took a sovereign country's territory away from them. Whether pay them or fight them, what will be remembered by all is how the US bullied an ally.

How do you think this may impact our relations moving forward the next 40-50 years????!!! Look at the results of WW2 and then consider the last 50-60 years of goodwill the world has given us as a result of that story, and now imagine how the future looks for US foreign relations with us taking Greenland!

They won't actually have to lift a finger against us as history will have judged us by putting the nail on the coffin for any friendships we'll ever have. Whatever repercussion short term will hurt somewhat but doesn't compare to the long term reputation we will suffer.

Exactly. Hitler invading Poland didn’t make Germany a world leader. It started the War that destroyed them for a generation.