The only way to have equity is to drag down the top performers

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Anonymous wrote:In Bethesda schools in particular you'll find that parents and top students actually have found a way around being "dragged down". They take multiple AP classes early, they take more than one "difficult" language to AP, or CC classes outside of school and really over-do the SSL hours in obsessive ways. All to stand out when it comes to college applications.

SSL hours are easy to get depending on the school. The difference is those kids have the access to ap classes unlike kids at other schools.

Hundreds of hours of SSL, like 300+ hours, are time consuming, which is not easy.

I think my kid has something like 275. Schools have SSL hours, especially MS or the ones we went to and they have volunteered a few times as well as gotten SSL hours for activities they were in. Super easy and little effort.

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Anonymous wrote:In Bethesda schools in particular you'll find that parents and top students actually have found a way around being "dragged down". They take multiple AP classes early, they take more than one "difficult" language to AP, or CC classes outside of school and really over-do the SSL hours in obsessive ways. All to stand out when it comes to college applications.

SSL hours are easy to get depending on the school. The difference is those kids have the access to ap classes unlike kids at other schools.

What high schools don't offer AP classes? All of them claim to.

They all offer AP classes. The eight IB schools tend to have fewer APs because they also have IBs.

So was the pp complaining about the IB program?

There is one PP, who wanted her kid to go to Wheaton, but he didn't get in and is now at Einstein, and she writes about the "inequity" of being provided IB instead of AP on every thread.

IB is not equal to AP. The lack of AP offerings at Einstein is terrible.

Einstein offers 19 AP courses in addition to the 38 IB courses.

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Anonymous wrote:In Bethesda schools in particular you'll find that parents and top students actually have found a way around being "dragged down". They take multiple AP classes early, they take more than one "difficult" language to AP, or CC classes outside of school and really over-do the SSL hours in obsessive ways. All to stand out when it comes to college applications.

SSL hours are easy to get depending on the school. The difference is those kids have the access to ap classes unlike kids at other schools.

What high schools don't offer AP classes? All of them claim to.

They all offer AP classes. The eight IB schools tend to have fewer APs because they also have IBs.

So was the pp complaining about the IB program?

There is one PP, who wanted her kid to go to Wheaton, but he didn't get in and is now at Einstein, and she writes about the "inequity" of being provided IB instead of AP on every thread.

IB is not equal to AP. The lack of AP offerings at Einstein is terrible.

Einstein offers 19 AP courses in addition to the 38 IB courses.

No, they don't offer that many and there are zero science AP's, no music AP and not other things either.

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Anonymous wrote:In Bethesda schools in particular you'll find that parents and top students actually have found a way around being "dragged down". They take multiple AP classes early, they take more than one "difficult" language to AP, or CC classes outside of school and really over-do the SSL hours in obsessive ways. All to stand out when it comes to college applications.

SSL hours are easy to get depending on the school. The difference is those kids have the access to ap classes unlike kids at other schools.

What high schools don't offer AP classes? All of them claim to.

They all offer AP classes. The eight IB schools tend to have fewer APs because they also have IBs.

So was the pp complaining about the IB program?

There is one PP, who wanted her kid to go to Wheaton, but he didn't get in and is now at Einstein, and she writes about the "inequity" of being provided IB instead of AP on every thread.

IB is not equal to AP. The lack of AP offerings at Einstein is terrible.

Einstein offers 19 AP courses in addition to the 38 IB courses.

Most don't want IB.

This is what they claim to offer.

AP Art
AP Drawing
AP 2D Art & Design
AP 3D Art & Design
AP Visual Art Center 3*
AP Visual Art Center 4*
AP Music Theory
*application based Magnet Program
AP English
AP Seminar
AP English Language & Composition
AP History & Social Sciences
AP US History
AP United States Government & Politics
AP World History
AP STEM
(Science, Technology, Engineering, Math)
AP Computer Science Principles
AP Computer Science Java
AP Statistics
AP AB Calculus
AP BC Calculus
AP World Languages
AP Spanish Language and Culture

Maybe AP seminar is new for this year but they didn't have it last year. AP Spanish is combine with Spanish 5 and the teacher is really bad. They aren't offering AP music, nor some of the other arts ones they claim. And, no AP STEM, I think (I could be wrong but we didn't see it offered).

This is the absolute minimum and there are no other advanced classes.

IB math is not AP Calc AB or BC. Its a mix of things. So, if you get to BC, it makes no sense to take IB after that as its under BC.

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Anonymous wrote:In Bethesda schools in particular you'll find that parents and top students actually have found a way around being "dragged down". They take multiple AP classes early, they take more than one "difficult" language to AP, or CC classes outside of school and really over-do the SSL hours in obsessive ways. All to stand out when it comes to college applications.

SSL hours are easy to get depending on the school. The difference is those kids have the access to ap classes unlike kids at other schools.

What high schools don't offer AP classes? All of them claim to.

They all offer AP classes. The eight IB schools tend to have fewer APs because they also have IBs.

So was the pp complaining about the IB program?

There is one PP, who wanted her kid to go to Wheaton, but he didn't get in and is now at Einstein, and she writes about the "inequity" of being provided IB instead of AP on every thread.

IB is not equal to AP. The lack of AP offerings at Einstein is terrible.

Einstein offers 19 AP courses in addition to the 38 IB courses.

No, they don't offer that many and there are zero science AP's, no music AP and not other things either.

Based on the discussions on this forum, I feel the numbers shared on the office of accountability for archived information is significantly inaccurate, potentially significantly over-estimating the real course offering. They can offer a course every few years and call it an offering. I remember for the published test results, Einstein has only about 6 IB test data inputs there, so what about the other 32 IB courses?

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Anonymous wrote:In Bethesda schools in particular you'll find that parents and top students actually have found a way around being "dragged down". They take multiple AP classes early, they take more than one "difficult" language to AP, or CC classes outside of school and really over-do the SSL hours in obsessive ways. All to stand out when it comes to college applications.

SSL hours are easy to get depending on the school. The difference is those kids have the access to ap classes unlike kids at other schools.

What high schools don't offer AP classes? All of them claim to.

They all offer AP classes. The eight IB schools tend to have fewer APs because they also have IBs.

So was the pp complaining about the IB program?

There is one PP, who wanted her kid to go to Wheaton, but he didn't get in and is now at Einstein, and she writes about the "inequity" of being provided IB instead of AP on every thread.

IB is not equal to AP. The lack of AP offerings at Einstein is terrible.

Einstein offers 19 AP courses in addition to the 38 IB courses.

No, they don't offer that many and there are zero science AP's, no music AP and not other things either.

Based on the discussions on this forum, I feel the numbers shared on the office of accountability for archived information is significantly inaccurate, potentially significantly over-estimating the real course offering. They can offer a course every few years and call it an offering. I remember for the published test results, Einstein has only about 6 IB test data inputs there, so what about the other 32 IB courses?

They are listed here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ahQmKa3acSRnJPnTI4UnQ23eQj5GXYUFaBQio0PtgfI/edit?tab=t.0

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Anonymous wrote:In Bethesda schools in particular you'll find that parents and top students actually have found a way around being "dragged down". They take multiple AP classes early, they take more than one "difficult" language to AP, or CC classes outside of school and really over-do the SSL hours in obsessive ways. All to stand out when it comes to college applications.

SSL hours are easy to get depending on the school. The difference is those kids have the access to ap classes unlike kids at other schools.

What high schools don't offer AP classes? All of them claim to.

They all offer AP classes. The eight IB schools tend to have fewer APs because they also have IBs.

So was the pp complaining about the IB program?

There is one PP, who wanted her kid to go to Wheaton, but he didn't get in and is now at Einstein, and she writes about the "inequity" of being provided IB instead of AP on every thread.

IB is not equal to AP. The lack of AP offerings at Einstein is terrible.

Einstein offers 19 AP courses in addition to the 38 IB courses.

No, they don't offer that many and there are zero science AP's, no music AP and not other things either.

Based on the discussions on this forum, I feel the numbers shared on the office of accountability for archived information is significantly inaccurate, potentially significantly over-estimating the real course offering. They can offer a course every few years and call it an offering. I remember for the published test results, Einstein has only about 6 IB test data inputs there, so what about the other 32 IB courses?

They are listed here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ahQmKa3acSRnJPnTI4UnQ23eQj5GXYUFaBQio0PtgfI/edit?tab=t.0

You don't get what I meant. I'm saying a lot of these AP and IB courses can be offered, but then they couldn't due to lack of student enrollment, or lack of appropriate teacher, or other reasons.

For example, IB math has a lower-level course called "IB math studies" and a higher level called "IB math". For Einstein, there is no IB math test score for year 2022 and 2023, no IB physics score for 2020 and 2022, no IB biology score for 2021 and 2024. That means these courses were actually not offered, or no one from these classes registered for IB testing. But on the face value, things look great. You get a ton of options.

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Anonymous wrote:Equal opportunity does not lead to equal outcomes. There is no vast amount of untapped talent. Throwing resources at low performers won't significantly lift them. If equity is the goal, the only way to get there is to handicap the very top performers. This is exactly what MCPS is doing.

STFU. Sorry your little darling is not the apple of everyone's eye.

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Anonymous wrote:In Bethesda schools in particular you'll find that parents and top students actually have found a way around being "dragged down". They take multiple AP classes early, they take more than one "difficult" language to AP, or CC classes outside of school and really over-do the SSL hours in obsessive ways. All to stand out when it comes to college applications.

SSL hours are easy to get depending on the school. The difference is those kids have the access to ap classes unlike kids at other schools.

What high schools don't offer AP classes? All of them claim to.

They all offer AP classes. The eight IB schools tend to have fewer APs because they also have IBs.

So was the pp complaining about the IB program?

There is one PP, who wanted her kid to go to Wheaton, but he didn't get in and is now at Einstein, and she writes about the "inequity" of being provided IB instead of AP on every thread.

IB is not equal to AP. The lack of AP offerings at Einstein is terrible.

Einstein offers 19 AP courses in addition to the 38 IB courses.

No, they don't offer that many and there are zero science AP's, no music AP and not other things either.

Based on the discussions on this forum, I feel the numbers shared on the office of accountability for archived information is significantly inaccurate, potentially significantly over-estimating the real course offering. They can offer a course every few years and call it an offering. I remember for the published test results, Einstein has only about 6 IB test data inputs there, so what about the other 32 IB courses?

They are listed here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ahQmKa3acSRnJPnTI4UnQ23eQj5GXYUFaBQio0PtgfI/edit?tab=t.0

You don't get what I meant. I'm saying a lot of these AP and IB courses can be offered, but then they couldn't due to lack of student enrollment, or lack of appropriate teacher, or other reasons.

For example, IB math has a lower-level course called "IB math studies" and a higher level called "IB math". For Einstein, there is no IB math test score for year 2022 and 2023, no IB physics score for 2020 and 2022, no IB biology score for 2021 and 2024. That means these courses were actually not offered, or no one from these classes registered for IB testing. But on the face value, things look great. You get a ton of options.

Yes, that is in fact how it works at every school. If there aren't enough students requesting a class, it isn't offered.

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Anonymous wrote:In Bethesda schools in particular you'll find that parents and top students actually have found a way around being "dragged down". They take multiple AP classes early, they take more than one "difficult" language to AP, or CC classes outside of school and really over-do the SSL hours in obsessive ways. All to stand out when it comes to college applications.

SSL hours are easy to get depending on the school. The difference is those kids have the access to ap classes unlike kids at other schools.

What high schools don't offer AP classes? All of them claim to.

They all offer AP classes. The eight IB schools tend to have fewer APs because they also have IBs.

So was the pp complaining about the IB program?

There is one PP, who wanted her kid to go to Wheaton, but he didn't get in and is now at Einstein, and she writes about the "inequity" of being provided IB instead of AP on every thread.

IB is not equal to AP. The lack of AP offerings at Einstein is terrible.

Einstein offers 19 AP courses in addition to the 38 IB courses.

Can every kid get a textbook in those classes? Are some kids forced into those classes? Are the teachers actually preparing students for these tests? Does the school AP/IB pathway align with developmentally appropriate skills or other grade level curriculum?

Einstein is a hot mess in this area. Less than 10% of kids getting the IB diploma. Why not offer AP where kids can get college credit for a one year course versus needing the HL Ib courses? Not everyone is trying to go to UMD!

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Anonymous wrote:In Bethesda schools in particular you'll find that parents and top students actually have found a way around being "dragged down". They take multiple AP classes early, they take more than one "difficult" language to AP, or CC classes outside of school and really over-do the SSL hours in obsessive ways. All to stand out when it comes to college applications.

SSL hours are easy to get depending on the school. The difference is those kids have the access to ap classes unlike kids at other schools.

What high schools don't offer AP classes? All of them claim to.

They all offer AP classes. The eight IB schools tend to have fewer APs because they also have IBs.

So was the pp complaining about the IB program?

There is one PP, who wanted her kid to go to Wheaton, but he didn't get in and is now at Einstein, and she writes about the "inequity" of being provided IB instead of AP on every thread.

IB is not equal to AP. The lack of AP offerings at Einstein is terrible.

Einstein offers 19 AP courses in addition to the 38 IB courses.

Can every kid get a textbook in those classes? Are some kids forced into those classes? Are the teachers actually preparing students for these tests? Does the school AP/IB pathway align with developmentally appropriate skills or other grade level curriculum?

Einstein is a hot mess in this area. Less than 10% of kids getting the IB diploma. Why not offer AP where kids can get college credit for a one year course versus needing the HL Ib courses? Not everyone is trying to go to UMD!

People keep spouting these figures, but I've never seen anything published about schools' IB diploma rates.

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Anonymous wrote:In Bethesda schools in particular you'll find that parents and top students actually have found a way around being "dragged down". They take multiple AP classes early, they take more than one "difficult" language to AP, or CC classes outside of school and really over-do the SSL hours in obsessive ways. All to stand out when it comes to college applications.

SSL hours are easy to get depending on the school. The difference is those kids have the access to ap classes unlike kids at other schools.

What high schools don't offer AP classes? All of them claim to.

They all offer AP classes. The eight IB schools tend to have fewer APs because they also have IBs.

So was the pp complaining about the IB program?

There is one PP, who wanted her kid to go to Wheaton, but he didn't get in and is now at Einstein, and she writes about the "inequity" of being provided IB instead of AP on every thread.

IB is not equal to AP. The lack of AP offerings at Einstein is terrible.

Einstein offers 19 AP courses in addition to the 38 IB courses.

Can every kid get a textbook in those classes? Are some kids forced into those classes? Are the teachers actually preparing students for these tests? Does the school AP/IB pathway align with developmentally appropriate skills or other grade level curriculum?

Einstein is a hot mess in this area. Less than 10% of kids getting the IB diploma. Why not offer AP where kids can get college credit for a one year course versus needing the HL Ib courses? Not everyone is trying to go to UMD!

People keep spouting these figures, but I've never seen anything published about schools' IB diploma rates.

It’s published on office of accountability website, every year. The calculation is total # of students get IB diploma divided by total # of senior students, so RM diploma rate appears low. I’m not familiar with Einstein. If IB is provided to everyone in Einstein, the diploma rate is a good measure.

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Anonymous wrote:In Bethesda schools in particular you'll find that parents and top students actually have found a way around being "dragged down". They take multiple AP classes early, they take more than one "difficult" language to AP, or CC classes outside of school and really over-do the SSL hours in obsessive ways. All to stand out when it comes to college applications.

SSL hours are easy to get depending on the school. The difference is those kids have the access to ap classes unlike kids at other schools.

What high schools don't offer AP classes? All of them claim to.

They all offer AP classes. The eight IB schools tend to have fewer APs because they also have IBs.

So was the pp complaining about the IB program?

There is one PP, who wanted her kid to go to Wheaton, but he didn't get in and is now at Einstein, and she writes about the "inequity" of being provided IB instead of AP on every thread.

IB is not equal to AP. The lack of AP offerings at Einstein is terrible.

Einstein offers 19 AP courses in addition to the 38 IB courses.

No, they don't offer that many and there are zero science AP's, no music AP and not other things either.

Based on the discussions on this forum, I feel the numbers shared on the office of accountability for archived information is significantly inaccurate, potentially significantly over-estimating the real course offering. They can offer a course every few years and call it an offering. I remember for the published test results, Einstein has only about 6 IB test data inputs there, so what about the other 32 IB courses?

They could have provided date from a few years ago where they did offer it. The current principal has said no to all requests.

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Anonymous wrote:In Bethesda schools in particular you'll find that parents and top students actually have found a way around being "dragged down". They take multiple AP classes early, they take more than one "difficult" language to AP, or CC classes outside of school and really over-do the SSL hours in obsessive ways. All to stand out when it comes to college applications.

SSL hours are easy to get depending on the school. The difference is those kids have the access to ap classes unlike kids at other schools.

What high schools don't offer AP classes? All of them claim to.

They all offer AP classes. The eight IB schools tend to have fewer APs because they also have IBs.

So was the pp complaining about the IB program?

There is one PP, who wanted her kid to go to Wheaton, but he didn't get in and is now at Einstein, and she writes about the "inequity" of being provided IB instead of AP on every thread.

IB is not equal to AP. The lack of AP offerings at Einstein is terrible.

Einstein offers 19 AP courses in addition to the 38 IB courses.

Can every kid get a textbook in those classes? Are some kids forced into those classes? Are the teachers actually preparing students for these tests? Does the school AP/IB pathway align with developmentally appropriate skills or other grade level curriculum?

Einstein is a hot mess in this area. Less than 10% of kids getting the IB diploma. Why not offer AP where kids can get college credit for a one year course versus needing the HL Ib courses? Not everyone is trying to go to UMD!

People keep spouting these figures, but I've never seen anything published about schools' IB diploma rates.

It’s published on office of accountability website, every year. The calculation is total # of students get IB diploma divided by total # of senior students, so RM diploma rate appears low. I’m not familiar with Einstein. If IB is provided to everyone in Einstein, the diploma rate is a good measure.

I've seen it published somewhere but I cannot remember where but it was very low for graduation of an IB diploma. They should survey families on what they want - IB, AP or both.

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Anonymous wrote:In Bethesda schools in particular you'll find that parents and top students actually have found a way around being "dragged down". They take multiple AP classes early, they take more than one "difficult" language to AP, or CC classes outside of school and really over-do the SSL hours in obsessive ways. All to stand out when it comes to college applications.

SSL hours are easy to get depending on the school. The difference is those kids have the access to ap classes unlike kids at other schools.

What high schools don't offer AP classes? All of them claim to.

They all offer AP classes. The eight IB schools tend to have fewer APs because they also have IBs.

So was the pp complaining about the IB program?

There is one PP, who wanted her kid to go to Wheaton, but he didn't get in and is now at Einstein, and she writes about the "inequity" of being provided IB instead of AP on every thread.

IB is not equal to AP. The lack of AP offerings at Einstein is terrible.

Einstein offers 19 AP courses in addition to the 38 IB courses.

Can every kid get a textbook in those classes? Are some kids forced into those classes? Are the teachers actually preparing students for these tests? Does the school AP/IB pathway align with developmentally appropriate skills or other grade level curriculum?

Einstein is a hot mess in this area. Less than 10% of kids getting the IB diploma. Why not offer AP where kids can get college credit for a one year course versus needing the HL Ib courses? Not everyone is trying to go to UMD!

People keep spouting these figures, but I've never seen anything published about schools' IB diploma rates.

It’s published on office of accountability website, every year. The calculation is total # of students get IB diploma divided by total # of senior students, so RM diploma rate appears low. I’m not familiar with Einstein. If IB is provided to everyone in Einstein, the diploma rate is a good measure.

Those reports don't show diploma rates.