Ruling on MCPS LGBT curriculum case coming this morning

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The funny thing is the word homosexual didn’t even appear in the Bible until 1946 because a bunch of dudes wanted to be able to masturbate and they hated that it says you could not masturbate so they changed the word to homosexual.

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Anonymous wrote:The message that mcps just sent out to staff and families shows that mcps continues to miss the point.
I’d really like to know who drafted it.
“Chilling”

I thought their message was fine. What's the problem with saying "It also sends a chilling message to many valued members of our diverse community"?

You are failing to see the issue here.

MCPS = LGBTQ lobby

Court simply said that parents have right to opt out. MCPS allows opt out for lots of things. It does nto send any message to LGBTQ community. Only a LGBTQ lobby group will interepret court ruling like that.

The other things kids were opting out for were for older kids, and they could sit quietly in a room by themselves, but five-year-olds can’t.

The ruling actually gave MCPS and now they don’t have to keep the kids in school and find something else for them to do. They can make them stay home.

In what world do you think you can just “make” children stay home? That’s not the way it works sweetheart. You now have to find something else for the 5 year olds to do instead. Otherwise you’re discriminating based on religion, which is not legal.

I’m not “making kids stay home” SCOTUS is saying you can have an excused absence if you don’t want your kids in a lesson that is being taught that day.

I’m here for it. Teachers get to continue teaching. Administrators don’t have to deal with your child. You get to opt out, which is what the lawsuit was all about.

It’s not discrimination because it’s your choice.

You got your way, but you’re still complaining.

DP. That’s not AT ALL what was said, did you even read it?

Yes, I did and I also read the descent,. The descent is actually on your side. They said it would be too much time away from education to get excused absences. Every time they read a book that shows a boy and a boy can marry each other.

Just how much LGBTQIA education is going on that kids will miss “too much time”?

None but to religious zealot bigots saying Johnnie has 2 dads is LGBT education.

Reading a book with 2 moms is lgbt education to ignoramuses.

L is for lesbian. You created this nonsense, now you claim it’s ignoramus? Glad you’re coming to your senses!

Don’t worry, hon I’m gonna read these books to your kids at my house.

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Anonymous wrote:So when can the taxpayers know how much money was spent on legal fees for this???
Let’s talk about the budget again…

I’m a taxpayer and good with the money spent on sensing a message of support to an extremely marginalized community.

Responses like this are why people note that the school curriculum, particularly at the elementary school years, is about reading, writing, and math. I don’t want money spent on sending a message. Please hire more teachers so kids can get more individualized attention on academics.

And by having teachers have to sort kids by religiousness and teaching multiple tracks is hurting the teachers ability to focus on academics. Why are you guys not getting this? They should just have the opt out kids stay home for anything they find objectionable.

Why are you not getting that MCPS lost a lot more by fighting rather than pulling down these books or allowing opt-outs for the elementary schoolers?

I’m glad MCPS put up a fight. Thank God. What happens next is these same parents want girls and boys to be separated. They want girls to dress “modestly” and taught different subjects because their religious values. They want non Islamists (or fill in blank of religion) to pray every morning to a certain God.

Thank God MCPS was fighting for our constitution and the right of students to learn.

It didn’t work out very well for them, did it?

I’m glad the county fought. As a taxpayer, as a parent, as a person who values education and rejects the continued conflation of public schools and religious dogma, MCPS did what is right.

Soon, we’ll have Sharia law where the only teachings in schools are from X religious book. Girls won’t get an education because, well, they’re girls. Gays will be excluded and persecuted and their children treated like pariahs because clearly books will turn people gay and make people think too much about the human condition [sarcasm alert]

Grateful that the County took a stand. The SCOTUS rejected the constitution today. That doesn’t mean we give up the fight for what lies ahead tomorrow. Can’t believe our country increasingly resembles 1930s Germany / late 1970s Iran. Frightening.

This is why we liberals are the losing end of so many things these days. The majority don’t understand how to strategically win. It’s not by taking a losing, bad facts case to the Supreme Court. All it did was set things back. And continuing to defend it shows incredibly bad judgment.

Yup. Clearly the LGBTQ lobby refuses to learn from its mistakes.

MCPS, BOE, Lynne Harris, and Mink overreached and overplayed their hand. Doubling down on that is not going to help.

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Anonymous wrote:Just put the opt out kids in a separate class so that they can pray r whatever on the days with material they find objectionable. They are in school but not creating havoc on the rest of education.

Nope they got what they asked for stay home.

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Anonymous wrote:So when can the taxpayers know how much money was spent on legal fees for this???
Let’s talk about the budget again…

I’m a taxpayer and good with the money spent on sensing a message of support to an extremely marginalized community.

Responses like this are why people note that the school curriculum, particularly at the elementary school years, is about reading, writing, and math. I don’t want money spent on sending a message. Please hire more teachers so kids can get more individualized attention on academics.

And by having teachers have to sort kids by religiousness and teaching multiple tracks is hurting the teachers ability to focus on academics. Why are you guys not getting this? They should just have the opt out kids stay home for anything they find objectionable.

Why are you not getting that MCPS lost a lot more by fighting rather than pulling down these books or allowing opt-outs for the elementary schoolers?

I’m glad MCPS put up a fight. Thank God. What happens next is these same parents want girls and boys to be separated. They want girls to dress “modestly” and taught different subjects because their religious values. They want non Islamists (or fill in blank of religion) to pray every morning to a certain God.

Thank God MCPS was fighting for our constitution and the right of students to learn.

It didn’t work out very well for them, did it?

I’m glad the county fought. As a taxpayer, as a parent, as a person who values education and rejects the continued conflation of public schools and religious dogma, MCPS did what is right.

Soon, we’ll have Sharia law where the only teachings in schools are from X religious book. Girls won’t get an education because, well, they’re girls. Gays will be excluded and persecuted and their children treated like pariahs because clearly books will turn people gay and make people think too much about the human condition [sarcasm alert]

Grateful that the County took a stand. The SCOTUS rejected the constitution today. That doesn’t mean we give up the fight for what lies ahead tomorrow. Can’t believe our country increasingly resembles 1930s Germany / late 1970s Iran. Frightening.

This is why we liberals are the losing end of so many things these days. The majority don’t understand how to strategically win. It’s not by taking a losing, bad facts case to the Supreme Court. All it did was set things back. And continuing to defend it shows incredibly bad judgment.

Liberals care about people more than they care about winning.

You mean they care about people they agree with. Because clearly some liberals could bring themselves to compromise with these families who merely asked for an opt-out and instead were fought all the way to the Supreme Court.

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Anonymous wrote:So when can the taxpayers know how much money was spent on legal fees for this???
Let’s talk about the budget again…

I’m a taxpayer and good with the money spent on sensing a message of support to an extremely marginalized community.

Responses like this are why people note that the school curriculum, particularly at the elementary school years, is about reading, writing, and math. I don’t want money spent on sending a message. Please hire more teachers so kids can get more individualized attention on academics.

And by having teachers have to sort kids by religiousness and teaching multiple tracks is hurting the teachers ability to focus on academics. Why are you guys not getting this? They should just have the opt out kids stay home for anything they find objectionable.

Why are you not getting that MCPS lost a lot more by fighting rather than pulling down these books or allowing opt-outs for the elementary schoolers?

I’m glad MCPS put up a fight. Thank God. What happens next is these same parents want girls and boys to be separated. They want girls to dress “modestly” and taught different subjects because their religious values. They want non Islamists (or fill in blank of religion) to pray every morning to a certain God.

Thank God MCPS was fighting for our constitution and the right of students to learn.

It didn’t work out very well for them, did it?

I’m glad the county fought. As a taxpayer, as a parent, as a person who values education and rejects the continued conflation of public schools and religious dogma, MCPS did what is right.

Soon, we’ll have Sharia law where the only teachings in schools are from X religious book. Girls won’t get an education because, well, they’re girls. Gays will be excluded and persecuted and their children treated like pariahs because clearly books will turn people gay and make people think too much about the human condition [sarcasm alert]

Grateful that the County took a stand. The SCOTUS rejected the constitution today. That doesn’t mean we give up the fight for what lies ahead tomorrow. Can’t believe our country increasingly resembles 1930s Germany / late 1970s Iran. Frightening.

This is why we liberals are the losing end of so many things these days. The majority don’t understand how to strategically win. It’s not by taking a losing, bad facts case to the Supreme Court. All it did was set things back. And continuing to defend it shows incredibly bad judgment.

Yup. Clearly the LGBTQ lobby refuses to learn from its mistakes.

MCPS, BOE, Lynne Harris, and Mink overreached and overplayed their hand. Doubling down on that is not going to help.

Robert E Lee had a few wins too, but in the end… here we are your kids are in class with Black people and you can’t opt out

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Parents should not be given authority over educational professionals. Parents should not be allowed to opt their kids out sex Ed or reading assignments.

-teacher and religious person

That shipped sailed long long ago.

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Anonymous wrote:So when can the taxpayers know how much money was spent on legal fees for this???
Let’s talk about the budget again…

I’m a taxpayer and good with the money spent on sensing a message of support to an extremely marginalized community.

Responses like this are why people note that the school curriculum, particularly at the elementary school years, is about reading, writing, and math. I don’t want money spent on sending a message. Please hire more teachers so kids can get more individualized attention on academics.

And by having teachers have to sort kids by religiousness and teaching multiple tracks is hurting the teachers ability to focus on academics. Why are you guys not getting this? They should just have the opt out kids stay home for anything they find objectionable.

Why are you not getting that MCPS lost a lot more by fighting rather than pulling down these books or allowing opt-outs for the elementary schoolers?

I’m glad MCPS put up a fight. Thank God. What happens next is these same parents want girls and boys to be separated. They want girls to dress “modestly” and taught different subjects because their religious values. They want non Islamists (or fill in blank of religion) to pray every morning to a certain God.

Thank God MCPS was fighting for our constitution and the right of students to learn.

It didn’t work out very well for them, did it?

I’m glad the county fought. As a taxpayer, as a parent, as a person who values education and rejects the continued conflation of public schools and religious dogma, MCPS did what is right.

Soon, we’ll have Sharia law where the only teachings in schools are from X religious book. Girls won’t get an education because, well, they’re girls. Gays will be excluded and persecuted and their children treated like pariahs because clearly books will turn people gay and make people think too much about the human condition [sarcasm alert]

Grateful that the County took a stand. The SCOTUS rejected the constitution today. That doesn’t mean we give up the fight for what lies ahead tomorrow. Can’t believe our country increasingly resembles 1930s Germany / late 1970s Iran. Frightening.

This is why we liberals are the losing end of so many things these days. The majority don’t understand how to strategically win. It’s not by taking a losing, bad facts case to the Supreme Court. All it did was set things back. And continuing to defend it shows incredibly bad judgment.

Liberals care about people more than they care about winning.

Really? You just made things harder for the people you claim to care about. Sounds like you picked principles over actually helping or advancing the cause.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Parents should not be given authority over educational professionals. Parents should not be allowed to opt their kids out sex Ed or reading assignments.

-teacher and religious person

That shipped sailed long long ago.

I know. This whole thing is just reminder of the lack of respect given to teachers as professionals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The funny thing is the word homosexual didn’t even appear in the Bible until 1946 because a bunch of dudes wanted to be able to masturbate and they hated that it says you could not masturbate so they changed the word to homosexual.

? source?

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Anonymous wrote:For the parents opting their children out of lessons because those lessons include a same sex couple family, please know that the vast majority of us judge you harshly as a bigot and your kids will likely suffer social consequences because of your intolerance. I feel bad for them, especially those who are themselves gay. Shame on you, you intolerant and insecure people.

The vibe has shifted. I think you’ll be surprised at who is judging who here.

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Anonymous wrote:For the parents opting their children out of lessons because those lessons include a same sex couple family, please know that the vast majority of us judge you harshly as a bigot and your kids will likely suffer social consequences because of your intolerance. I feel bad for them, especially those who are themselves gay. Shame on you, you intolerant and insecure people.

NP.
Threatening young children with “social consequences” because of their parents… who is coming across as intolerant?

And I say this as someone who won’t be opting out.

+1 also, ES children won't really care who opts out. They will say, "lucky.. you got to not go to school". Do kids who opt out of Family Life get bullied? I don't think so.

FWIW, I really don't care if my kids read books about lgbtq. Both my kids have had and have friends with gay parents in ES or who are themselves gay.

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

Stating that there are 2 genders used to be an objective, inoffensive fact of life and biology. Trans activists have made it a “slogan.”

Saying the world was flat and black people are slaves with less rights, and stoning people to death use to be fact, the way of life, and unobjectable, does that mean we should never move forward and reach for better? Should we ignore all contrary evidence and never make changes just because some people are scared of the boogeyman?

We use to tell kids the stork delivered the baby, then realized it wasn’t really helpful to tell kids not to lie then lie to them about basic human biology.

Know better do better. The boogeyman isn’t there, the kids will be fine.

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

Stating that there are 2 genders used to be an objective, inoffensive fact of life and biology. Trans activists have made it a “slogan.”

Saying the world was flat and black people are slaves with less rights, and stoning people to death use to be fact, the way of life, and unobjectable, does that mean we should never move forward and reach for better? Should we ignore all contrary evidence and never make changes just because some people are scared of the boogeyman?

We use to tell kids the stork delivered the baby, then realized it wasn’t really helpful to tell kids not to lie then lie to them about basic human biology.

Know better do better. The boogeyman isn’t there, the kids will be fine.

The kids will be fine if they don't learn about lgbtq in ES. Save it for MS/HS.

- dp