FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

I mentioned a couple of pages back, all they’re going to do is crowd out more affordable housing as UMC families rent in their chosen pyramid.

And before the equity posters claim residency fraud, please also plan to discuss why renting a pied a terre would amount to fraud.

It's not fraud to rent an abode. It's fraud to claim it's your primary residence in order to send your kid to a school they aren't entitled to attend.

No it actually isn’t fraud. You haven’t laid out your elements. Seems like You are saying it’s fraud because you say so - read your circular logic.

And if a renter rents in a certain pyramid, they are 100% “entitled to attend” that pyramid. Sorry, I know that’s not the response you wanted.

This will be the way. And the only way around it would be to just zone affordable housing to the pyramid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

I mentioned a couple of pages back, all they’re going to do is crowd out more affordable housing as UMC families rent in their chosen pyramid.

And before the equity posters claim residency fraud, please also plan to discuss why renting a pied a terre would amount to fraud.

It's not fraud to rent an abode. It's fraud to claim it's your primary residence in order to send your kid to a school they aren't entitled to attend.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, a PP is claiming that it is racist to object to this boundary redistricting because of the kids t Lewis, Herndon, and Annandale.

The point is: this is about the whole county and every school in the county. So, in order to redraw those boundaries, every student in Fairfax is subject to moving. Even schools that are not near any of the before mentioned schools.

Simple and money saving solution: Eliminate IB in all schools. That is program "equity." If the SB chooses not to do that, then this is NOT about program equity.

That would be a helpful start. It would eliminate the Herndon to South Lakes exit. And, the Lewis and Annandale exit.

Then, reevaluate.

That makes sense at the HS level in the short term because they should already have a pretty good idea what the impact would be on the schools without the IB to AP and AP to IB pupil placements. In comparsion, if they change a lot of boundaries with all the economic uncertainties now affecting the region, they are taking a stab in the dark.

Plus, for some of these schools with very lackluster IB programs, it's obvious even putting aside the enrollment impact that AP would better serve the students. Putting a more writing-intensive program at schools with more kids struggling with English fluency is not a smart strategy if your goal is to serve all the students (as opposed to the original goal, which was to offer IB as a carrot to try and retain UMC white families). In comparison, these kids would be more likely to take some AP courses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

I mentioned a couple of pages back, all they’re going to do is crowd out more affordable housing as UMC families rent in their chosen pyramid.

And before the equity posters claim residency fraud, please also plan to discuss why renting a pied a terre would amount to fraud.

It's not fraud to rent an abode. It's fraud to claim it's your primary residence in order to send your kid to a school they aren't entitled to attend.

+1

_+one more You will have to lie and say you actually live there. If you have enough money to do that, send your kid to private. That said, i am strongly against this boundary issue. Why? Because my neighborhood school is functioning great and we are not going to be sent to any of the troubled schools. However, my neighborhood could be redistricted to a school outside our community.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I could see how moving 6th to middle schools could cause some staffing issues as well. While there is a middle grades 6-8 subject area endorsement for each content area, I think most middle school teachers probably have the 7-12 subject area endorsements. It's just a matter of taking a test to add the 6-8 endorsement, but I'm not sure if too many teachers would want to spend the time and money for that. If you move an elementary K-6 endorsed person up to middle school, they are not going to be able to teach other grade levels of the same content, which gives the school less flexibility. In secondary schools, both middle and high schools, typically the subject area AP does the hiring, so they are likely less concerned with the ability of a teacher to move between subjects vs being able to move between grade levels in the same content area.

Another aspect of this is that FCPS just approved the five-year Capital Improvement Program for FY 2026-30 and there is absolutely nothing in there about setting aside money to build more middle schools or convert/expand any elementary schools to 6-8 middle schools.

It tells you just how disjointed all of FCPS's "plans" are under Reid that they are burying a potential major change (turning all the 7-8 middle schools into 6-8 schools and then potentially having to convert some elementary schools to middle schools) within a boundary change review, shortly after adopting the capital plans that do not address that possibility at all.

If they had even a scintilla of competence, they would first make the policy decisions around what programs and grade configurations they want at schools, second determine the associated costs, and finally adjust boundaries as needed to deal with their conclusions and the cost constraints. But instead this all gets thrown around out of order and incoherently, leaving people like PP wondering whether to move now to avoid potentia issues later.

We deserve much, much better than what we are getting under Michelle Reid. She needs to go.

Where can we find this leaked boundary map?

It’s on the previous boundary thread, around page 370. FCPS has denied it (I know, eye roll). It’s only describing a few pyramids and felt very hearsay.

And at this rate, because FCPS has publicly posted that the rumored maps are not real, I feel they could not go this route legally. They ensured no map is created prior to community and BRAC engagement. (Again, eye roll)

The only validity it brought for me was moving 6th to middle school because that would have to occur if it were true.

DP.

While I did not locate the map (and it appears an entire thread on the “leaked map” was deleted), I did find this leaked claimed to be from someone at Gatehouse:



“Take this with a grain of salt, but my friend who works at Gatehouse said that the redistricting plans in store for FCPS are going to be surprising to many.

I have no idea if the following is true or not, but I wanted to highlight some potential moves in the works. My source stated that some low-income schools will be moved to other low-income schools to muddy the waters on any criticism that FCPS is ONLY moving UMC kids to low-performing schools.

Potential Moves:

The entirety of Wakefield Forest ES will be moved from Frost/Woodson to Poe/Annandale. Not just those living on the east side of Wakefield Chapel Road.

Ravensworth ES will also be zoned out of LBSS to Annandale as well. To make room for this at Annandale and to supply Lewis with more students, Bren Mar Park ES and Weyanoke ES will be moved from Edison and AHS.

Willow Springs ES will be moved out of Johnson/Fairfax to Robinson. Waples Mill ES will entirely be moved into Fairfax and the Greenbriar East areas that feed into Fairfax will be moved to Oakton. Fairhill ES will also be moved into Fairfax.

Forestville ES will be moved to HMS/HHS.

Oak View ES will entirely move to Robo while Terra Centre will be switched to Lake Braddock.

Hunt Valley ES will be rezoned to Key/Lewis.

These are the major HS-related moves that will potentially occur. Keep in mind ES and MS boundaries will be tweaked to accommodate these moves.

My source could be completely wrong, so keep that in mind.”

Why does Wakefield Forest ES need to be moved? I thought Woodson was under capacity or close and Frost just had a huge renovation.

This is also one of the reasons this “map” does not feel legit. Moving WFES to Poe/Annandale means moving their 6th grade to Poe. They just wildly expanded the facilities and it would be a waste of renovation.

Unless Reid really is pushing for the 6th grade move to middle school. In that case, all of FCPS is going to be wiped cleaned and redrawn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

I mentioned a couple of pages back, all they’re going to do is crowd out more affordable housing as UMC families rent in their chosen pyramid.

And before the equity posters claim residency fraud, please also plan to discuss why renting a pied a terre would amount to fraud.

It's not fraud to rent an abode. It's fraud to claim it's your primary residence in order to send your kid to a school they aren't entitled to attend.

+1

_+one more You will have to lie and say you actually live there. If you have enough money to do that, send your kid to private. That said, i am strongly against this boundary issue. Why? Because my neighborhood school is functioning great and we are not going to be sent to any of the troubled schools. However, my neighborhood could be redistricted to a school outside our community.

Residence is ill- defined. Doesn’t rewrite much time at the apartment to establish residency.

Anyone who is redistricted will take a hard look at this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

I mentioned a couple of pages back, all they’re going to do is crowd out more affordable housing as UMC families rent in their chosen pyramid.

And before the equity posters claim residency fraud, please also plan to discuss why renting a pied a terre would amount to fraud.

It's not fraud to rent an abode. It's fraud to claim it's your primary residence in order to send your kid to a school they aren't entitled to attend.

No it actually isn’t fraud. You haven’t laid out your elements. Seems like You are saying it’s fraud because you say so - read your circular logic.

And if a renter rents in a certain pyramid, they are 100% “entitled to attend” that pyramid. Sorry, I know that’s not the response you wanted.

This will be the way. And the only way around it would be to just zone affordable housing to the pyramid.

If you are registering a kid, you provide a residency attestation: "I certify that I am currently residing with my child(ren) in Fairfax County at [address]."

You also affirm that you understand that "providing false or otherwise untrue information for school enrollment purposes constitutes a Class 4 misdemeanor."

If you knowingly provide a false certification about where you are currently residing, you have engaged in fraud, as that term is generally understood, and are subject to being fined (and your kid is subject to being booted out of the school they shouldn't be attending).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, a PP is claiming that it is racist to object to this boundary redistricting because of the kids t Lewis, Herndon, and Annandale.

The point is: this is about the whole county and every school in the county. So, in order to redraw those boundaries, every student in Fairfax is subject to moving. Even schools that are not near any of the before mentioned schools.

Simple and money saving solution: Eliminate IB in all schools. That is program "equity." If the SB chooses not to do that, then this is NOT about program equity.

That would be a helpful start. It would eliminate the Herndon to South Lakes exit. And, the Lewis and Annandale exit.

Then, reevaluate.

This is spot on. Also consider AAP centers. Make these moves, see how schools perform, and reassess boundaries in 5 years for geographical reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

I mentioned a couple of pages back, all they’re going to do is crowd out more affordable housing as UMC families rent in their chosen pyramid.

And before the equity posters claim residency fraud, please also plan to discuss why renting a pied a terre would amount to fraud.

It's not fraud to rent an abode. It's fraud to claim it's your primary residence in order to send your kid to a school they aren't entitled to attend.

+1

_+one more You will have to lie and say you actually live there. If you have enough money to do that, send your kid to private. That said, i am strongly against this boundary issue. Why? Because my neighborhood school is functioning great and we are not going to be sent to any of the troubled schools. However, my neighborhood could be redistricted to a school outside our community.

Residence is ill- defined. Doesn’t rewrite much time at the apartment to establish residency.

Anyone who is redistricted will take a hard look at this.

"Reside" is not a vague term at all. It is commonly understood to mean "have one's permanent home in a particular place."

Go ahead, though, and make idle threats about your clever plans. Even better, follow up on this strategy and get called out by other parents who do actually reside in a school's attendance area.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I could see how moving 6th to middle schools could cause some staffing issues as well. While there is a middle grades 6-8 subject area endorsement for each content area, I think most middle school teachers probably have the 7-12 subject area endorsements. It's just a matter of taking a test to add the 6-8 endorsement, but I'm not sure if too many teachers would want to spend the time and money for that. If you move an elementary K-6 endorsed person up to middle school, they are not going to be able to teach other grade levels of the same content, which gives the school less flexibility. In secondary schools, both middle and high schools, typically the subject area AP does the hiring, so they are likely less concerned with the ability of a teacher to move between subjects vs being able to move between grade levels in the same content area.

Another aspect of this is that FCPS just approved the five-year Capital Improvement Program for FY 2026-30 and there is absolutely nothing in there about setting aside money to build more middle schools or convert/expand any elementary schools to 6-8 middle schools.

It tells you just how disjointed all of FCPS's "plans" are under Reid that they are burying a potential major change (turning all the 7-8 middle schools into 6-8 schools and then potentially having to convert some elementary schools to middle schools) within a boundary change review, shortly after adopting the capital plans that do not address that possibility at all.

If they had even a scintilla of competence, they would first make the policy decisions around what programs and grade configurations they want at schools, second determine the associated costs, and finally adjust boundaries as needed to deal with their conclusions and the cost constraints. But instead this all gets thrown around out of order and incoherently, leaving people like PP wondering whether to move now to avoid potentia issues later.

We deserve much, much better than what we are getting under Michelle Reid. She needs to go.

Where can we find this leaked boundary map?

It’s on the previous boundary thread, around page 370. FCPS has denied it (I know, eye roll). It’s only describing a few pyramids and felt very hearsay.

And at this rate, because FCPS has publicly posted that the rumored maps are not real, I feel they could not go this route legally. They ensured no map is created prior to community and BRAC engagement. (Again, eye roll)

The only validity it brought for me was moving 6th to middle school because that would have to occur if it were true.

DP.

While I did not locate the map (and it appears an entire thread on the “leaked map” was deleted), I did find this leaked claimed to be from someone at Gatehouse:



“Take this with a grain of salt, but my friend who works at Gatehouse said that the redistricting plans in store for FCPS are going to be surprising to many.

I have no idea if the following is true or not, but I wanted to highlight some potential moves in the works. My source stated that some low-income schools will be moved to other low-income schools to muddy the waters on any criticism that FCPS is ONLY moving UMC kids to low-performing schools.

Potential Moves:

The entirety of Wakefield Forest ES will be moved from Frost/Woodson to Poe/Annandale. Not just those living on the east side of Wakefield Chapel Road.

Ravensworth ES will also be zoned out of LBSS to Annandale as well. To make room for this at Annandale and to supply Lewis with more students, Bren Mar Park ES and Weyanoke ES will be moved from Edison and AHS.

Willow Springs ES will be moved out of Johnson/Fairfax to Robinson. Waples Mill ES will entirely be moved into Fairfax and the Greenbriar East areas that feed into Fairfax will be moved to Oakton. Fairhill ES will also be moved into Fairfax.

Forestville ES will be moved to HMS/HHS.

Oak View ES will entirely move to Robo while Terra Centre will be switched to Lake Braddock.

Hunt Valley ES will be rezoned to Key/Lewis.

These are the major HS-related moves that will potentially occur. Keep in mind ES and MS boundaries will be tweaked to accommodate these moves.

My source could be completely wrong, so keep that in mind.”

Why does Wakefield Forest ES need to be moved? I thought Woodson was under capacity or close and Frost just had a huge renovation.

This is also one of the reasons this “map” does not feel legit. Moving WFES to Poe/Annandale means moving their 6th grade to Poe. They just wildly expanded the facilities and it would be a waste of renovation.

Unless Reid really is pushing for the 6th grade move to middle school. In that case, all of FCPS is going to be wiped cleaned and redrawn.

I believe it’s understood that Reid really IS “pushing for the 6th grade to middle school.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I could see how moving 6th to middle schools could cause some staffing issues as well. While there is a middle grades 6-8 subject area endorsement for each content area, I think most middle school teachers probably have the 7-12 subject area endorsements. It's just a matter of taking a test to add the 6-8 endorsement, but I'm not sure if too many teachers would want to spend the time and money for that. If you move an elementary K-6 endorsed person up to middle school, they are not going to be able to teach other grade levels of the same content, which gives the school less flexibility. In secondary schools, both middle and high schools, typically the subject area AP does the hiring, so they are likely less concerned with the ability of a teacher to move between subjects vs being able to move between grade levels in the same content area.

Another aspect of this is that FCPS just approved the five-year Capital Improvement Program for FY 2026-30 and there is absolutely nothing in there about setting aside money to build more middle schools or convert/expand any elementary schools to 6-8 middle schools.

It tells you just how disjointed all of FCPS's "plans" are under Reid that they are burying a potential major change (turning all the 7-8 middle schools into 6-8 schools and then potentially having to convert some elementary schools to middle schools) within a boundary change review, shortly after adopting the capital plans that do not address that possibility at all.

If they had even a scintilla of competence, they would first make the policy decisions around what programs and grade configurations they want at schools, second determine the associated costs, and finally adjust boundaries as needed to deal with their conclusions and the cost constraints. But instead this all gets thrown around out of order and incoherently, leaving people like PP wondering whether to move now to avoid potentia issues later.

We deserve much, much better than what we are getting under Michelle Reid. She needs to go.

Where can we find this leaked boundary map?

It’s on the previous boundary thread, around page 370. FCPS has denied it (I know, eye roll). It’s only describing a few pyramids and felt very hearsay.

And at this rate, because FCPS has publicly posted that the rumored maps are not real, I feel they could not go this route legally. They ensured no map is created prior to community and BRAC engagement. (Again, eye roll)

The only validity it brought for me was moving 6th to middle school because that would have to occur if it were true.

DP.

While I did not locate the map (and it appears an entire thread on the “leaked map” was deleted), I did find this leaked claimed to be from someone at Gatehouse:



“Take this with a grain of salt, but my friend who works at Gatehouse said that the redistricting plans in store for FCPS are going to be surprising to many.

I have no idea if the following is true or not, but I wanted to highlight some potential moves in the works. My source stated that some low-income schools will be moved to other low-income schools to muddy the waters on any criticism that FCPS is ONLY moving UMC kids to low-performing schools.

Potential Moves:

The entirety of Wakefield Forest ES will be moved from Frost/Woodson to Poe/Annandale. Not just those living on the east side of Wakefield Chapel Road.

Ravensworth ES will also be zoned out of LBSS to Annandale as well. To make room for this at Annandale and to supply Lewis with more students, Bren Mar Park ES and Weyanoke ES will be moved from Edison and AHS.

Willow Springs ES will be moved out of Johnson/Fairfax to Robinson. Waples Mill ES will entirely be moved into Fairfax and the Greenbriar East areas that feed into Fairfax will be moved to Oakton. Fairhill ES will also be moved into Fairfax.

Forestville ES will be moved to HMS/HHS.

Oak View ES will entirely move to Robo while Terra Centre will be switched to Lake Braddock.

Hunt Valley ES will be rezoned to Key/Lewis.

These are the major HS-related moves that will potentially occur. Keep in mind ES and MS boundaries will be tweaked to accommodate these moves.

My source could be completely wrong, so keep that in mind.”

Why does Wakefield Forest ES need to be moved? I thought Woodson was under capacity or close and Frost just had a huge renovation.

This is also one of the reasons this “map” does not feel legit. Moving WFES to Poe/Annandale means moving their 6th grade to Poe. They just wildly expanded the facilities and it would be a waste of renovation.

Unless Reid really is pushing for the 6th grade move to middle school. In that case, all of FCPS is going to be wiped cleaned and redrawn.

I believe it’s understood that Reid really IS “pushing for the 6th grade to middle school.”

And I can't imagine how they would actually implement that, given it would add hundreds of kids to most middle schools. And it's not like they can just switch school buildings easily between middle and elementary school or something like that.

DOGE may be actually following through on their crazy talk, but FCPS rarely does.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

I mentioned a couple of pages back, all they’re going to do is crowd out more affordable housing as UMC families rent in their chosen pyramid.

And before the equity posters claim residency fraud, please also plan to discuss why renting a pied a terre would amount to fraud.

It's not fraud to rent an abode. It's fraud to claim it's your primary residence in order to send your kid to a school they aren't entitled to attend.

Dr. Reid said that it is okay to use fraudulent addresses to go to an out of zone school in FCPS, even if you are from a different county or our of state.

If Hayfield showed us anything, it is that.

FCPS does not care if you use a frsudulent address, or Grandma's address, or your old rental property, or someone's basement, or even Planet Fitness.

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Anonymous wrote:I could see how moving 6th to middle schools could cause some staffing issues as well. While there is a middle grades 6-8 subject area endorsement for each content area, I think most middle school teachers probably have the 7-12 subject area endorsements. It's just a matter of taking a test to add the 6-8 endorsement, but I'm not sure if too many teachers would want to spend the time and money for that. If you move an elementary K-6 endorsed person up to middle school, they are not going to be able to teach other grade levels of the same content, which gives the school less flexibility. In secondary schools, both middle and high schools, typically the subject area AP does the hiring, so they are likely less concerned with the ability of a teacher to move between subjects vs being able to move between grade levels in the same content area.

Another aspect of this is that FCPS just approved the five-year Capital Improvement Program for FY 2026-30 and there is absolutely nothing in there about setting aside money to build more middle schools or convert/expand any elementary schools to 6-8 middle schools.

It tells you just how disjointed all of FCPS's "plans" are under Reid that they are burying a potential major change (turning all the 7-8 middle schools into 6-8 schools and then potentially having to convert some elementary schools to middle schools) within a boundary change review, shortly after adopting the capital plans that do not address that possibility at all.

If they had even a scintilla of competence, they would first make the policy decisions around what programs and grade configurations they want at schools, second determine the associated costs, and finally adjust boundaries as needed to deal with their conclusions and the cost constraints. But instead this all gets thrown around out of order and incoherently, leaving people like PP wondering whether to move now to avoid potentia issues later.

We deserve much, much better than what we are getting under Michelle Reid. She needs to go.

Where can we find this leaked boundary map?

It’s on the previous boundary thread, around page 370. FCPS has denied it (I know, eye roll). It’s only describing a few pyramids and felt very hearsay.

And at this rate, because FCPS has publicly posted that the rumored maps are not real, I feel they could not go this route legally. They ensured no map is created prior to community and BRAC engagement. (Again, eye roll)

The only validity it brought for me was moving 6th to middle school because that would have to occur if it were true.

DP.

While I did not locate the map (and it appears an entire thread on the “leaked map” was deleted), I did find this leaked claimed to be from someone at Gatehouse:



“Take this with a grain of salt, but my friend who works at Gatehouse said that the redistricting plans in store for FCPS are going to be surprising to many.

I have no idea if the following is true or not, but I wanted to highlight some potential moves in the works. My source stated that some low-income schools will be moved to other low-income schools to muddy the waters on any criticism that FCPS is ONLY moving UMC kids to low-performing schools.

Potential Moves:

The entirety of Wakefield Forest ES will be moved from Frost/Woodson to Poe/Annandale. Not just those living on the east side of Wakefield Chapel Road.

Ravensworth ES will also be zoned out of LBSS to Annandale as well. To make room for this at Annandale and to supply Lewis with more students, Bren Mar Park ES and Weyanoke ES will be moved from Edison and AHS.

Willow Springs ES will be moved out of Johnson/Fairfax to Robinson. Waples Mill ES will entirely be moved into Fairfax and the Greenbriar East areas that feed into Fairfax will be moved to Oakton. Fairhill ES will also be moved into Fairfax.

Forestville ES will be moved to HMS/HHS.

Oak View ES will entirely move to Robo while Terra Centre will be switched to Lake Braddock.

Hunt Valley ES will be rezoned to Key/Lewis.

These are the major HS-related moves that will potentially occur. Keep in mind ES and MS boundaries will be tweaked to accommodate these moves.

My source could be completely wrong, so keep that in mind.”

Why does Wakefield Forest ES need to be moved? I thought Woodson was under capacity or close and Frost just had a huge renovation.

This is also one of the reasons this “map” does not feel legit. Moving WFES to Poe/Annandale means moving their 6th grade to Poe. They just wildly expanded the facilities and it would be a waste of renovation.

Unless Reid really is pushing for the 6th grade move to middle school. In that case, all of FCPS is going to be wiped cleaned and redrawn.

I believe it’s understood that Reid really IS “pushing for the 6th grade to middle school.”

Michelle Reid sent an email on the 24th, which touched on 6th move to middle school:

“Key takeaways from Friday’s meeting include:

Welcome
Dr. Reid welcomed the group and reminded the committee that at the next meetings the first two scenarios will be reviewed, to include evaluation of 6th grade in middle school, and a scenario that assumes all students attend the school that they are zoned to attend based on the current boundary.”

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

I mentioned a couple of pages back, all they’re going to do is crowd out more affordable housing as UMC families rent in their chosen pyramid.

And before the equity posters claim residency fraud, please also plan to discuss why renting a pied a terre would amount to fraud.

It's not fraud to rent an abode. It's fraud to claim it's your primary residence in order to send your kid to a school they aren't entitled to attend.

No it actually isn’t fraud. You haven’t laid out your elements. Seems like You are saying it’s fraud because you say so - read your circular logic.

And if a renter rents in a certain pyramid, they are 100% “entitled to attend” that pyramid. Sorry, I know that’s not the response you wanted.

This will be the way. And the only way around it would be to just zone affordable housing to the pyramid.

If you are registering a kid, you provide a residency attestation: "I certify that I am currently residing with my child(ren) in Fairfax County at [address]."

You also affirm that you understand that "providing false or otherwise untrue information for school enrollment purposes constitutes a Class 4 misdemeanor."

If you knowingly provide a false certification about where you are currently residing, you have engaged in fraud, as that term is generally understood, and are subject to being fined (and your kid is subject to being booted out of the school they shouldn't be attending).

FCPS only has one person working on residency.

FCPS isn't enforcing anything.

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Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

I mentioned a couple of pages back, all they’re going to do is crowd out more affordable housing as UMC families rent in their chosen pyramid.

And before the equity posters claim residency fraud, please also plan to discuss why renting a pied a terre would amount to fraud.

It's not fraud to rent an abode. It's fraud to claim it's your primary residence in order to send your kid to a school they aren't entitled to attend.

Dr. Reid said that it is okay to use fraudulent addresses to go to an out of zone school in FCPS, even if you are from a different county or our of state.

If Hayfield showed us anything, it is that.

FCPS does not care if you use a frsudulent address, or Grandma's address, or your old rental property, or someone's basement, or even Planet Fitness.

Sounds like a FAFO scenario. Can't imagine how embarrassing it will be for Buffy when it turns out she is getting kicked out of Langley because Papa is a cheater and tried to pass off their pied a terre as a primary residence.