FCPS Boundary Review Updates

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I could see how moving 6th to middle schools could cause some staffing issues as well. While there is a middle grades 6-8 subject area endorsement for each content area, I think most middle school teachers probably have the 7-12 subject area endorsements. It's just a matter of taking a test to add the 6-8 endorsement, but I'm not sure if too many teachers would want to spend the time and money for that. If you move an elementary K-6 endorsed person up to middle school, they are not going to be able to teach other grade levels of the same content, which gives the school less flexibility. In secondary schools, both middle and high schools, typically the subject area AP does the hiring, so they are likely less concerned with the ability of a teacher to move between subjects vs being able to move between grade levels in the same content area.

Another aspect of this is that FCPS just approved the five-year Capital Improvement Program for FY 2026-30 and there is absolutely nothing in there about setting aside money to build more middle schools or convert/expand any elementary schools to 6-8 middle schools.

It tells you just how disjointed all of FCPS's "plans" are under Reid that they are burying a potential major change (turning all the 7-8 middle schools into 6-8 schools and then potentially having to convert some elementary schools to middle schools) within a boundary change review, shortly after adopting the capital plans that do not address that possibility at all.

If they had even a scintilla of competence, they would first make the policy decisions around what programs and grade configurations they want at schools, second determine the associated costs, and finally adjust boundaries as needed to deal with their conclusions and the cost constraints. But instead this all gets thrown around out of order and incoherently, leaving people like PP wondering whether to move now to avoid potentia issues later.

We deserve much, much better than what we are getting under Michelle Reid. She needs to go.

Where can we find this leaked boundary map?

It’s on the previous boundary thread, around page 370. FCPS has denied it (I know, eye roll). It’s only describing a few pyramids and felt very hearsay.

And at this rate, because FCPS has publicly posted that the rumored maps are not real, I feel they could not go this route legally. They ensured no map is created prior to community and BRAC engagement. (Again, eye roll)

The only validity it brought for me was moving 6th to middle school because that would have to occur if it were true.

DP.

While I did not locate the map (and it appears an entire thread on the “leaked map” was deleted), I did find this leaked claimed to be from someone at Gatehouse:



“Take this with a grain of salt, but my friend who works at Gatehouse said that the redistricting plans in store for FCPS are going to be surprising to many.

I have no idea if the following is true or not, but I wanted to highlight some potential moves in the works. My source stated that some low-income schools will be moved to other low-income schools to muddy the waters on any criticism that FCPS is ONLY moving UMC kids to low-performing schools.

Potential Moves:

The entirety of Wakefield Forest ES will be moved from Frost/Woodson to Poe/Annandale. Not just those living on the east side of Wakefield Chapel Road.

Ravensworth ES will also be zoned out of LBSS to Annandale as well. To make room for this at Annandale and to supply Lewis with more students, Bren Mar Park ES and Weyanoke ES will be moved from Edison and AHS.

Willow Springs ES will be moved out of Johnson/Fairfax to Robinson. Waples Mill ES will entirely be moved into Fairfax and the Greenbriar East areas that feed into Fairfax will be moved to Oakton. Fairhill ES will also be moved into Fairfax.

Forestville ES will be moved to HMS/HHS.

Oak View ES will entirely move to Robo while Terra Centre will be switched to Lake Braddock.

Hunt Valley ES will be rezoned to Key/Lewis.

These are the major HS-related moves that will potentially occur. Keep in mind ES and MS boundaries will be tweaked to accommodate these moves.

My source could be completely wrong, so keep that in mind.”

Why does Wakefield Forest ES need to be moved? I thought Woodson was under capacity or close and Frost just had a huge renovation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

The DCUM “equity troll” has shown up to shame you and play the race card.

Everyone wants what’s best for their own child and that is not wrong. The “equity troll” does not care about your child’s best interests, and she is happy to sacrifice your child’s education on the “alter of equity.”

She is playing the race-card to try to cancel discussion of the boundaries change currently before the School Board

If you re-read the post, that poster didn't say anything about race. You did, so perhaps your post should be viewed as an admission.

Um, PP? I think maybe you need to look up the definition of the word “desegregate” (or, as she put it, “de-segregate” ). You do not seem to know what the term means.


Here is the relevant part of the equity-troll’s post, as a reminder:

“It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

The DCUM “equity troll” has shown up to shame you and play the race card.

Everyone wants what’s best for their own child and that is not wrong. The “equity troll” does not care about your child’s best interests, and she is happy to sacrifice your child’s education on the “alter of equity.”

She is playing the race-card to try to cancel discussion of the boundaries change currently before the School Board

If you re-read the post, that poster didn't say anything about race. You did, so perhaps your post should be viewed as an admission.

Um, PP? I think maybe you need to look up the definition of the word “desegregate” (or, as she put it, “de-segregate” ). You do not seem to know what the term means.


Here is the relevant part of the equity-troll’s post, as a reminder:

“It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.”

She wasn't "playing the race card," so much as drawing comparisons between your behavior and the past behavior of segregationists.

But, hey, connect those dots if you want to. Kind of "if the shoe fits" situation, really.

[Anonymous]

So, a PP is claiming that it is racist to object to this boundary redistricting because of the kids t Lewis, Herndon, and Annandale.

The point is: this is about the whole county and every school in the county. So, in order to redraw those boundaries, every student in Fairfax is subject to moving. Even schools that are not near any of the before mentioned schools.

Simple and money saving solution: Eliminate IB in all schools. That is program "equity." If the SB chooses not to do that, then this is NOT about program equity.

That would be a helpful start. It would eliminate the Herndon to South Lakes exit. And, the Lewis and Annandale exit.

Then, reevaluate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

I mentioned a couple of pages back, all they’re going to do is crowd out more affordable housing as UMC families rent in their chosen pyramid.

And before the equity posters claim residency fraud, please also plan to discuss why renting a pied a terre would amount to fraud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

OMG, seriously? I am speaking to you, equity troll. SERIOUSLY??!?

Everyone, I am not the PP she responded to. But here is the quote equity troll believes is so “insulting and terrible those words are”. :




“I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. “

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

DP. If you have a problem with it, then take it up with humanity. This is a very widespread sentiment, and you are fighting a vertically uphill battle if you think people should be fine throwing their kids under the bus for some vague sense of making other kids slightly better off.

You should open your eyes wide enough to realize that you are arguing for a system that will eventually be private for MC and above and piss-poor and underfunded for the rest. You complain about the status quo, but what you propose is way worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

+1

+2 The only equity these people know or care about is the equity in their properties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

And that is why this thread is so ugly. You don't even see how insulting and terrible those words are.

What is insulting or terrible about it? People value different things. Are you pretending to not know that? Maybe you need to go back to school yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could see how moving 6th to middle schools could cause some staffing issues as well. While there is a middle grades 6-8 subject area endorsement for each content area, I think most middle school teachers probably have the 7-12 subject area endorsements. It's just a matter of taking a test to add the 6-8 endorsement, but I'm not sure if too many teachers would want to spend the time and money for that. If you move an elementary K-6 endorsed person up to middle school, they are not going to be able to teach other grade levels of the same content, which gives the school less flexibility. In secondary schools, both middle and high schools, typically the subject area AP does the hiring, so they are likely less concerned with the ability of a teacher to move between subjects vs being able to move between grade levels in the same content area.

Another aspect of this is that FCPS just approved the five-year Capital Improvement Program for FY 2026-30 and there is absolutely nothing in there about setting aside money to build more middle schools or convert/expand any elementary schools to 6-8 middle schools.

It tells you just how disjointed all of FCPS's "plans" are under Reid that they are burying a potential major change (turning all the 7-8 middle schools into 6-8 schools and then potentially having to convert some elementary schools to middle schools) within a boundary change review, shortly after adopting the capital plans that do not address that possibility at all.

If they had even a scintilla of competence, they would first make the policy decisions around what programs and grade configurations they want at schools, second determine the associated costs, and finally adjust boundaries as needed to deal with their conclusions and the cost constraints. But instead this all gets thrown around out of order and incoherently, leaving people like PP wondering whether to move now to avoid potentia issues later.

We deserve much, much better than what we are getting under Michelle Reid. She needs to go.

Where can we find this leaked boundary map?

It’s on the previous boundary thread, around page 370. FCPS has denied it (I know, eye roll). It’s only describing a few pyramids and felt very hearsay.

And at this rate, because FCPS has publicly posted that the rumored maps are not real, I feel they could not go this route legally. They ensured no map is created prior to community and BRAC engagement. (Again, eye roll)

The only validity it brought for me was moving 6th to middle school because that would have to occur if it were true.

DP.

While I did not locate the map (and it appears an entire thread on the “leaked map” was deleted), I did find this leaked claimed to be from someone at Gatehouse:



“Take this with a grain of salt, but my friend who works at Gatehouse said that the redistricting plans in store for FCPS are going to be surprising to many.

I have no idea if the following is true or not, but I wanted to highlight some potential moves in the works. My source stated that some low-income schools will be moved to other low-income schools to muddy the waters on any criticism that FCPS is ONLY moving UMC kids to low-performing schools.

Potential Moves:

The entirety of Wakefield Forest ES will be moved from Frost/Woodson to Poe/Annandale. Not just those living on the east side of Wakefield Chapel Road.

Ravensworth ES will also be zoned out of LBSS to Annandale as well. To make room for this at Annandale and to supply Lewis with more students, Bren Mar Park ES and Weyanoke ES will be moved from Edison and AHS.

Willow Springs ES will be moved out of Johnson/Fairfax to Robinson. Waples Mill ES will entirely be moved into Fairfax and the Greenbriar East areas that feed into Fairfax will be moved to Oakton. Fairhill ES will also be moved into Fairfax.

Forestville ES will be moved to HMS/HHS.

Oak View ES will entirely move to Robo while Terra Centre will be switched to Lake Braddock.

Hunt Valley ES will be rezoned to Key/Lewis.

These are the major HS-related moves that will potentially occur. Keep in mind ES and MS boundaries will be tweaked to accommodate these moves.

My source could be completely wrong, so keep that in mind.”

Why does Wakefield Forest ES need to be moved? I thought Woodson was under capacity or close and Frost just had a huge renovation.

Because of equity we need the poors and non poors to mix

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are people on this forum that should walk before the students of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis, look those children in the eyes, and say, "I don't want my kid to go to school with you."

That's the message you're sending.

When you talk about community, you are saying that you don't want your children to be a part of the communities of Herndon, Annandale, and Lewis.

Because it's not the schools. It's not the teachers. People can make empty statements about "bringing programs to schools," but it's not the programs. It comes down to the fact that certain parents in FCPS don't want their kids to go to schools with the children at certain schools.

I wish this thread would shut down because it's full of ugliness. It's like we're repeating the 1960s, when parents didn't want schools to de-segregate. So much of the same language and behavior is being repeated here. It's ugly.

I want my kid at a school with other kids/families that value academics and other skills. The can rezone everyone but they can't stop people from selling their homes and moving to new neighborhoods. People's values are what drives their behavior and that will not change because FCPS tries to shake things up. If they truly are trying to rezone in order to achieve equity goals, they are going to be wasting a lot of time and energy on something that is going to backfire ultimately. But that's not surprising because they don't really care about achieving equity so much as looking like they care.

I mentioned a couple of pages back, all they’re going to do is crowd out more affordable housing as UMC families rent in their chosen pyramid.

And before the equity posters claim residency fraud, please also plan to discuss why renting a pied a terre would amount to fraud.

It's not fraud to rent an abode. It's fraud to claim it's your primary residence in order to send your kid to a school they aren't entitled to attend.

[Anonymous]

The Wakefield Forest intel is probably fake news.