Anonymous wrote:Yeah people love to blame mothers for alienation- instead of blaming the men who have failed their children.
She fought him in court to deny him any custody of the children. She never tried to come to an amicable custody arrangement. She did engage in alienation and using the children to hurt him by denying him custody. I don’t see how it benefits the children to not have their father in their lives. She is a selfish mother.
Custody with an alcoholoc father is a huge issue for many families, especially if physical abuse is involved. When six kids don't want to be with you, that's not just mom promoting alienation.
Anonymous wrote:Yeah people love to blame mothers for alienation- instead of blaming the men who have failed their children.
She fought him in court to deny him any custody of the children. She never tried to come to an amicable custody arrangement. She did engage in alienation and using the children to hurt him by denying him custody. I don’t see how it benefits the children to not have their father in their lives. She is a selfish mother.
She wanted visitations not to have zero custody. He's the alcoholic father who abused then. It's not like they broke up for a nonsensical reason
Anonymous wrote:Yeah people love to blame mothers for alienation- instead of blaming the men who have failed their children.
She fought him in court to deny him any custody of the children. She never tried to come to an amicable custody arrangement. She did engage in alienation and using the children to hurt him by denying him custody. I don’t see how it benefits the children to not have their father in their lives. She is a selfish mother.
She wanted visitations not to have zero custody. He's the alcoholic father who abused then. It's not like they broke up for a nonsensical reason
What is this abuse talk about? Is this about the plane incident or more stuff?
Anonymous wrote:If you read past the headline, you’ll see they added all she’s received since they split in 2016: the $67 mil she got for the winery sale, $11 mil for a Churchill painting he gifted her which she sold at auction and so on. Not additional monies from the divorce settlement.
She came out of the marriage much richer than she entered it. And she made his life a living h*ll. The article is right she put him through the ringer by constantly trashing him in the press, keeping him away from his children, and selling his beloved winery to a business partner that she knew he didn’t want. She has some nerve playing the victim and acting as if she has been wronged. She has been on a never-ending mission to destroy her ex since she filed for divorce.
You are really a delusional fool, or you think others are. To think, a man with Pitt's financial, political, and public stature could not have access to his children. People with far, far less have shared custody and visiting and some of those people are undeniably no-shat parents and partners. Jolie could not legally keep him away from his children. In fact, he was granted access from the court, and he did Pitt did not follow through. It is truly disingenuous to blame the mother when the father does not show up for visitation rights. It was not Jolie's responsibility to get her children to Pitt. It was Pitt, the parent, to get to his children. He did not show up at this baby girl's Broadway production. All, he had to do was buy a ticket to the show. He has not appeared in Atlanta for his oldest daughter for any of her big days. He did not need Jolie's permission to go to parent's day, homecoming, high school graduation, etc. When he was supposed to be spending time with the twins, Brad chose to be in Europe to work on a film. Stop blaming mothers for the bad-behavior of deadbeat fathers.
Money has nothing to do with anything. Yes, she can restrict his custody/visits/access through the courts or just hide the kids or refuse to let him see them. She constantly traveled and if he was working (and he had to work to support her lifestyle), he couldn't just drop everything and travel to her in hopes of seeing the kids for a few minutes. She kept them out out of school so there was no parents day, homecoming, etc and even so, yes, dads who don't have joint custody need an order if the school refuses as they go by what mom puts on the paperwork.
DP. You can’t be this naive. You don’t wonder why he found the strength to continue the winery lawsuit but gave up on taking her to court to custody? She can’t just hide the kids or restrict custody. If anything if he documented that behavior he would probably be able to use that to get some custody. You can’t even legally take a kid out if the country in this type of scenario without a signed consent letter from the other parent. He does not care and it isn’t a priority to him. I think some of the negative opinions of Angelina Jolie are accurate but it’s crazy to me how someone can pretend that Brad Pitt didn’t have the resources to try harder. If he wanted to he would.
He spent millions of dollars on therapists and custody proceedings. He has legal joint custody just not physical. Angelina stated that's why she couldn't move out of LA and he had to agree to the youngest daughter staying in New York for several months, stipulating his visits with Knox would continue. Seems like he's doing the best he can in a terrible situation. Not forcing himself on the kids and hoping they come around one day. How they handled the chateau sale (both of them!) seems to be what really destroyed any possibility of peace in the family for a long time.
You keep saying how much he spent but again he’s worth hundreds of millions or rolled and what he spent on getting more visits etc is a fraction of what this alcoholic spent on his booze company. Give it a rest. If it were a priority it would’ve been.
He spent millions. He was up against a lunatic who used every dirty underhanded trick to prevent him from getting any custody. Kids are allowed a say in their parental custody arrangements after a certain age, so it wouldn’t have worked for him to continue pursuing the custody case. Jolie had already poisoned the children against him. The judge in their custody case even warned her about parental alienation, so we know she was actively trying to destroy her children’s relationship with their father for a long time.
Whoever you are, you are not helping Brad's position, behavior, or "fatherly" connections to his children -- quite the opposite. Most of us are old enough and experienced enough to dismiss your comments with a shrug, smirk, or laugh. Get real.
I’m posting to point out that Jolie is a garbage mother. A good mother is someone like Jennifer Garner, who encourages her children to have a good relationship with their father and creates a stable co-parenting relationship. If Brad had married someone normal, the divorce and custody arrangement could have been amicably settled and everyone would have been better off. Jolie is the one who has kept the acrimony going on for eight years. Jolie is a deeply damaged person who cannot seem to move on from events of eight years ago.
Ben never abused his children so again you're not making his position any better.
+1 i will add that it's quite telling when all 6 children want to keep their distance from him and some even change their last names. The estrangement cannot all be placed on Jolie, no matter what she may have said or done.
Why not? It is not uncommon for a parent to turn the kids against the other parent.Obviously I don't know if it happened here, but it's not out of the question.
You might have an argument if the three oldest children were teenagers and had witnessed enough of their parents behavior to form their own opinions. They were not babies, and the fourth child was ten or eleven and old enough to understand some of what was happening. If Brad had established a strong, loving relationship with the three older children, it would have been difficult for Angelina to alienate, your words, all the older children. So stop with the alienation bullshat and be glad you did not have an abusive parent that you would go in the opposite direction if you saw them coming in your direction.
I do think it was probably tough for the oldest three to forget that he had been a crap father for a few years before the split when he was in the throes of alcoholism. And they remember their mom protecting and taking care of them and how they were afraid he would hurt her, like on the plane. Remember a pap caught them fighting, and Pitt looked enraged in the pics while she looked sad. When siblings are close, the younger siblings might want to be part of a united front, too. If Jolie remained in opposition to Pitt, easy to see how reunification would be challenging if not impossible. Do I think she should have been more conciliatory for the sake of the children? Yes. But I also think he was and is a spoiled @sshole who may well have not owned up to the hurt and damage he inflicted on his family. Blame to go around imo.
+1 I actually think the older siblings influence is more impactful then Angelina's. They were taught to be a unit and look after each other regardless of their blood. Angelina and Brad succeeded because they seem stronger then ever. Everyone thinks it only involved the older boys but Shiloh has the most distain for him. If he can't fix those relationship then there's little chance it will change with the rest.
Anonymous wrote:Yeah people love to blame mothers for alienation- instead of blaming the men who have failed their children.
She fought him in court to deny him any custody of the children. She never tried to come to an amicable custody arrangement. She did engage in alienation and using the children to hurt him by denying him custody. I don’t see how it benefits the children to not have their father in their lives. She is a selfish mother.
She wanted visitations not to have zero custody. He's the alcoholic father who abused then. It's not like they broke up for a nonsensical reason
What is this abuse talk about? Is this about the plane incident or more stuff?
They keep talking about the plane incident but it was investigated by multiple agencies and dismissed.
Anonymous wrote:Yeah people love to blame mothers for alienation- instead of blaming the men who have failed their children.
She fought him in court to deny him any custody of the children. She never tried to come to an amicable custody arrangement. She did engage in alienation and using the children to hurt him by denying him custody. I don’t see how it benefits the children to not have their father in their lives. She is a selfish mother.
Custody with an alcoholoc father is a huge issue for many families, especially if physical abuse is involved. When six kids don't want to be with you, that's not just mom promoting alienation.
Her lifestyle is completely unhealthy. We don't know what happened as we weren't there. We do know that she denied the kids a father, education and stability as well as aliented them. Its sad how she raised them (or the nannies did).
Anonymous wrote:Yeah people love to blame mothers for alienation- instead of blaming the men who have failed their children.
She fought him in court to deny him any custody of the children. She never tried to come to an amicable custody arrangement. She did engage in alienation and using the children to hurt him by denying him custody. I don’t see how it benefits the children to not have their father in their lives. She is a selfish mother.
Custody with an alcoholoc father is a huge issue for many families, especially if physical abuse is involved. When six kids don't want to be with you, that's not just mom promoting alienation.
Her lifestyle is completely unhealthy. We don't know what happened as we weren't there. We do know that she denied the kids a father, education and stability as well as aliented them. Its sad how she raised them (or the nannies did).
Brad's alcoholism did that. The kids were there and have spoken.
Anonymous wrote:Yeah people love to blame mothers for alienation- instead of blaming the men who have failed their children.
She fought him in court to deny him any custody of the children. She never tried to come to an amicable custody arrangement. She did engage in alienation and using the children to hurt him by denying him custody. I don’t see how it benefits the children to not have their father in their lives. She is a selfish mother.
Custody with an alcoholoc father is a huge issue for many families, especially if physical abuse is involved. When six kids don't want to be with you, that's not just mom promoting alienation.
Her lifestyle is completely unhealthy. We don't know what happened as we weren't there. We do know that she denied the kids a father, education and stability as well as aliented them. Its sad how she raised them (or the nannies did).
You think Zahara was accepted at Spelman with no education?
Anonymous wrote:Yeah people love to blame mothers for alienation- instead of blaming the men who have failed their children.
She fought him in court to deny him any custody of the children. She never tried to come to an amicable custody arrangement. She did engage in alienation and using the children to hurt him by denying him custody. I don’t see how it benefits the children to not have their father in their lives. She is a selfish mother.
Custody with an alcoholoc father is a huge issue for many families, especially if physical abuse is involved. When six kids don't want to be with you, that's not just mom promoting alienation.
Her lifestyle is completely unhealthy. We don't know what happened as we weren't there. We do know that she denied the kids a father, education and stability as well as aliented them. Its sad how she raised them (or the nannies did).
You think Zahara was accepted at Spelman with no education?
NP Don't know Zahara and maybe she's a fantastic student, but of course it's different for celebrity kids. The bar is much lower.
Anonymous wrote:Yeah people love to blame mothers for alienation- instead of blaming the men who have failed their children.
She fought him in court to deny him any custody of the children. She never tried to come to an amicable custody arrangement. She did engage in alienation and using the children to hurt him by denying him custody. I don’t see how it benefits the children to not have their father in their lives. She is a selfish mother.
Custody with an alcoholoc father is a huge issue for many families, especially if physical abuse is involved. When six kids don't want to be with you, that's not just mom promoting alienation.
Her lifestyle is completely unhealthy. We don't know what happened as we weren't there. We do know that she denied the kids a father, education and stability as well as aliented them. Its sad how she raised them (or the nannies did).
You think Zahara was accepted at Spelman with no education?
NP Don't know Zahara and maybe she's a fantastic student, but of course it's different for celebrity kids. The bar is much lower.
Spelman has a low acceptance rate of 28^. It's an excellent school. No way would they accept a student who had been "denied an education" (PP's words-- maybe yours?), not mine).
Anonymous wrote:Yeah people love to blame mothers for alienation- instead of blaming the men who have failed their children.
She fought him in court to deny him any custody of the children. She never tried to come to an amicable custody arrangement. She did engage in alienation and using the children to hurt him by denying him custody. I don’t see how it benefits the children to not have their father in their lives. She is a selfish mother.
She fought against him having custody and unsupervised visitation. Maybe you wouldn't have a problem leaving your minor children with a drunk, but most parents, with far less financial resources than Jolie, would fight through heaven and hell in the courts to keep their children from such a parent.
Anonymous wrote:Yeah people love to blame mothers for alienation- instead of blaming the men who have failed their children.
She fought him in court to deny him any custody of the children. She never tried to come to an amicable custody arrangement. She did engage in alienation and using the children to hurt him by denying him custody. I don’t see how it benefits the children to not have their father in their lives. She is a selfish mother.
She wanted visitations not to have zero custody. He's the alcoholic father who abused then. It's not like they broke up for a nonsensical reason
What is this abuse talk about? Is this about the plane incident or more stuff?
What away to blow off abuse. You must be an abuser yourself.
Anonymous wrote:Yeah people love to blame mothers for alienation- instead of blaming the men who have failed their children.
She fought him in court to deny him any custody of the children. She never tried to come to an amicable custody arrangement. She did engage in alienation and using the children to hurt him by denying him custody. I don’t see how it benefits the children to not have their father in their lives. She is a selfish mother.
She wanted visitations not to have zero custody. He's the alcoholic father who abused then. It's not like they broke up for a nonsensical reason
What is this abuse talk about? Is this about the plane incident or more stuff?
What away to blow off abuse. You must be an abuser yourself.
It's he said/she said. There WERE investigations and the allegations were dismissed. There is no clear evidence beyond the one accusation he abused them. She neglected them by leaving them in the care of multiple nannies and failing to get them a proper education.
Anonymous wrote:Yeah people love to blame mothers for alienation- instead of blaming the men who have failed their children.
She fought him in court to deny him any custody of the children. She never tried to come to an amicable custody arrangement. She did engage in alienation and using the children to hurt him by denying him custody. I don’t see how it benefits the children to not have their father in their lives. She is a selfish mother.
Custody with an alcoholoc father is a huge issue for many families, especially if physical abuse is involved. When six kids don't want to be with you, that's not just mom promoting alienation.
Her lifestyle is completely unhealthy. We don't know what happened as we weren't there. We do know that she denied the kids a father, education and stability as well as aliented them. Its sad how she raised them (or the nannies did).
Brad's alcoholism did that. The kids were there and have spoken.
Kids can lie, exaggerate or go along with mom's story line to make her happy.
Anonymous wrote:Yeah people love to blame mothers for alienation- instead of blaming the men who have failed their children.
She fought him in court to deny him any custody of the children. She never tried to come to an amicable custody arrangement. She did engage in alienation and using the children to hurt him by denying him custody. I don’t see how it benefits the children to not have their father in their lives. She is a selfish mother.
Custody with an alcoholoc father is a huge issue for many families, especially if physical abuse is involved. When six kids don't want to be with you, that's not just mom promoting alienation.
Her lifestyle is completely unhealthy. We don't know what happened as we weren't there. We do know that she denied the kids a father, education and stability as well as aliented them. Its sad how she raised them (or the nannies did).
You think Zahara was accepted at Spelman with no education?
NP Don't know Zahara and maybe she's a fantastic student, but of course it's different for celebrity kids. The bar is much lower.
Tell that to Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin. Ha
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