Why is there so much opposition to ending birthright citizenship?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know that there is a lot of resistance. I don't think a lot of us give a flying

+1 I’d support it as a constitutional amendment as a compromise on tightening gun control.

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These two cases should be treated differently:

1) A kid is born in the US with at least one legal permanent resident parent

2) A kid is born in the US without at least one legal permanent resident parent

No citizenship for either unless at least one parent is a US citizen and the other parent is of legal immigration status

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Not sure why people cannot wrap their brains around that idea. Legal status means nothing. Citizenship only if at least one parent is a citizen. Virtually every other country does this.

NP. You need to also include permanent residents (green cards). Permanent residents are people who the US government has agreed can stay here and set up a life here forever. We are immigrants and while our kids have citizenships of our other countries (since one parent has that citizenship), our kids have never left the US and may never.

Why don’t you become a citizen? I think parents should demonstrate commitment to becoming citizens if they want their kids to be citizens. If someone is a permanent resident waiting to become a citizen, their kids can be granted citizenship when the parents become citizens.

Because in the majority of cases this would involve relinquishing our original citizenships and our passports would be gone. We would be tourists in our own countries and hardly be able to go back if we needed to (to fix affairs for aging parents etc). I don’t think that’s a reasonable request. In many cases people bring their families here (chain migration) but we’re from developed countries (ones that DCUM talk about moving to) and our families would prefer to stay there than try to come here. Of all the issues with migration in this country, I don’t think giving green card holders (who came here as highly skilled workers on appropriate visas) American citizenship for their kids who were born here after being granted green cards should be on the list of concerns.

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These two cases should be treated differently:

1) A kid is born in the US with at least one legal permanent resident parent

2) A kid is born in the US without at least one legal permanent resident parent

No citizenship for either unless at least one parent is a US citizen and the other parent is of legal immigration status

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Not sure why people cannot wrap their brains around that idea. Legal status means nothing. Citizenship only if at least one parent is a citizen. Virtually every other country does this.

NP. You need to also include permanent residents (green cards). Permanent residents are people who the US government has agreed can stay here and set up a life here forever. We are immigrants and while our kids have citizenships of our other countries (since one parent has that citizenship), our kids have never left the US and may never.

Why don’t you become a citizen? I think parents should demonstrate commitment to becoming citizens if they want their kids to be citizens. If someone is a permanent resident waiting to become a citizen, their kids can be granted citizenship when the parents become citizens.

Because in the majority of cases this would involve relinquishing our original citizenships and our passports would be gone. We would be tourists in our own countries and hardly be able to go back if we needed to (to fix affairs for aging parents etc). I don’t think that’s a reasonable request. In many cases people bring their families here (chain migration) but we’re from developed countries (ones that DCUM talk about moving to) and our families would prefer to stay there than try to come here. Of all the issues with migration in this country, I don’t think giving green card holders (who came here as highly skilled workers on appropriate visas) American citizenship for their kids who were born here after being granted green cards should be on the list of concerns.

DP. But it’s not the US that makes it difficult to hold dual citizenship, it’s those other countries. So maybe it makes sense to lobby for a change of laws there to allow dual citizenship? And even if that’s not realistic, while it would suck to give up your other citizenship, I actually do think it’s reasonable to make that choice IF you intend to live here permanently and want citizenship for your children. If you’re from a first-world European country, then your kids would have citizenship there and aren’t in a bad spot overall. Sometimes people have to make choices. My own parents gave up their Indian passports (with the side effects that they had legal difficulties inheriting property in India, had to get visas until they received special “citizenship light” status, etc.) - not everything is easy.

To be clear, I’m not arguing that we shouldn’t give birthright citizenship to the kids of green card holders. My preferred policy is that a child is entitled to birthright citizenship if (i) both parents have permanent legal status or (ii) at least one parent is a citizen.

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Anonymous wrote:If the 14th amendment is a problem, they can at least deal with anchor babies, and deny visas, including temporary ones, to the parents who came in to give birth and get citizenship for their kids.

? anchor babies are given citizenship by the 14th.

And deny the parents for lying on their tourist visa application about pregnancy.

They should also revoke citizenship to anyone who lies on their citizenship application.. ahem Melania and Elon.

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Anonymous wrote:If the 14th amendment is a problem, they can at least deal with anchor babies, and deny visas, including temporary ones, to the parents who came in to give birth and get citizenship for their kids.

? anchor babies are given citizenship by the 14th.

And deny the parents for lying on their tourist visa application about pregnancy.

No one is lying about this because it’s not on the application form.

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Shouldn’t all people in the US have to past a citizenship test?

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Anonymous wrote:Shouldn’t all people in the US have to past a citizenship test?

Why don’t you start with spelling and get back to us.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know that there is a lot of resistance. I don't think a lot of us give a flying

+1 I’d support it as a constitutional amendment as a compromise on tightening gun control.

I think the compromise will likely be for the dreamers. They get green cards and at the same time we deport all the rest and close the floodgates once and for all.

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I think the overwhelming majority of the country would support removing this amendment. Can there be a referendum on this one issue to ask the people directly? Or do we need to go through the elected officials for a state by state vote?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know that there is a lot of resistance. I don't think a lot of us give a flying

+1 I’d support it as a constitutional amendment as a compromise on tightening gun control.

I think the compromise will likely be for the dreamers. They get green cards and at the same time we deport all the rest and close the floodgates once and for all.

I'm all for the dreamers but we're going to go for gun control. End of birthright citizenship for the end of access to inappropriate weapons. That will be the deal.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know that there is a lot of resistance. I don't think a lot of us give a flying

+1 I’d support it as a constitutional amendment as a compromise on tightening gun control.

I'd support it in exchange for eliminating the 2nd Amendment.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the overwhelming majority of the country would support removing this amendment. Can there be a referendum on this one issue to ask the people directly? Or do we need to go through the elected officials for a state by state vote?

I don't think they would. The 14th Amendment guarantees things like equal protection under the law, due process, it sets out the apportionment of the House of Representatives AND expressly gives Congress authority to enact legislation to enforce it. That's the basis of most civil rights laws.

I think you'd have to pass a Constitutional amendment specifically invalidating this clause: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

And yes, that would need to go through the Constitutional Amendment process.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the overwhelming majority of the country would support removing this amendment. Can there be a referendum on this one issue to ask the people directly? Or do we need to go through the elected officials for a state by state vote?

The Constitution tells us how it will be amended. 2/3 of Congress or convention of states to introduce. 3/4 of states ratify for it to pass.

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Anonymous wrote:Shouldn’t all people in the US have to past a citizenship test?

This thread is about birthright citizenship. Do you want that test at 3 days old? 60 days old?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know that there is a lot of resistance. I don't think a lot of us give a flying

+1 I’d support it as a constitutional amendment as a compromise on tightening gun control.

I think the compromise will likely be for the dreamers. They get green cards and at the same time we deport all the rest and close the floodgates once and for all.

I'm all for the dreamers but we're going to go for gun control. End of birthright citizenship for the end of access to inappropriate weapons. That will be the deal.

-1 no to dreamers. That's a good way to have people flooding our border dropping off their kids like they did back in 2014, 1.5 years after DACA was announced. They recently found 100 unaccompanied kids at the border with their relatives names written on their shirts. No need to encourage more to come. The humane thing to do is send everyone home so that no one risks their life or their children's lives to walk through multiple countries to get here.