Gen Xers - Do you find Taylor Swift’s music bland?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

Whatever.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll give you all an example: we are never getting back together.

It’s credited to Taylor Swift, Max Martin, and Shellback. Max Martin wrote the boy band songs in the 90s. These guys aren’t just producers; they’re songwriter-producers.

If you look at the personnel breakdown, you’ll see Taylor did the vocals, but those 2 guys did everything else.

She does not write her guitar parts, with very very few exceptions. She does essentially none of the arranging.

This isn’t unique to her. This is how most pop is done.

NP. Agree that it's not unique to Taylor Swift--or even to pop music--but I disagree to the extent that it's somehow a knock against her. Stevie Nicks has said numerous times over the years that she would write the lyrics to her songs and rely on Lindsay Buckingham or the whole band to add the music. She occasionally wrote parts of the melodies but has admitted she has no knowledge of chords or what to do beyond coming up with a few notes that she'd pluck out on a piano or guitar. That doesn't detract from her being known as a prolific songwriter or from all of the Fleetwood Mac and solo hits she is credited for.

I am middle-of-the-road on Taylor Swift and her music, but I don't think these arguments about her songwriting process or limitations are a legit criticism. Musicians who truly do it all are rare (RIP Prince!).

There’s a difference. Stevie Nicks and Lindsay Buckingham were in the band together. They were artistic collaborators.

I don’t see Taylor Swift acknowledging Max Martin or Shellback or Aaron Dessner as being artistic collaborators.

She claims to write her songs by herself.

There is literally a two hour documentary on Disney+ about her collaboration with Aaron Dessner. It is the two of them at his long Pond studio, where she recorded three albums during the pandemic, and they are talking about the music, their collaborative process, and playing together.

Look if you are not a fan I get it. But why just spout off nonsense about things that you know nothing about. Do you literally just open up your phone and be like I’m gonna make up a bunch of things about Taylor Swift ? It is beyond bizarre.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

You still sound insane.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

You still sound insane.

I wasn’t the direct PP you from that exchange. The weird mob fan base thing is creepy. It’s actually Swifties who think *loving* Taylor Swift is a personality.

[Anonymous]

^^^ (talking with) you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

You still sound insane.

I wasn’t the direct PP you from that exchange. The weird mob fan base thing is creepy. It’s actually Swifties who think *loving* Taylor Swift is a personality.

Not really, you again sound insane and you have created a false story in your head about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

You still sound insane.

I wasn’t the direct PP you from that exchange. The weird mob fan base thing is creepy. It’s actually Swifties who think *loving* Taylor Swift is a personality.

Not really, you again sound insane and you have created a false story in your head about it.

What is insane?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll give you all an example: we are never getting back together.

It’s credited to Taylor Swift, Max Martin, and Shellback. Max Martin wrote the boy band songs in the 90s. These guys aren’t just producers; they’re songwriter-producers.

If you look at the personnel breakdown, you’ll see Taylor did the vocals, but those 2 guys did everything else.

She does not write her guitar parts, with very very few exceptions. She does essentially none of the arranging.

This isn’t unique to her. This is how most pop is done.

NP. Agree that it's not unique to Taylor Swift--or even to pop music--but I disagree to the extent that it's somehow a knock against her. Stevie Nicks has said numerous times over the years that she would write the lyrics to her songs and rely on Lindsay Buckingham or the whole band to add the music. She occasionally wrote parts of the melodies but has admitted she has no knowledge of chords or what to do beyond coming up with a few notes that she'd pluck out on a piano or guitar. That doesn't detract from her being known as a prolific songwriter or from all of the Fleetwood Mac and solo hits she is credited for.

I am middle-of-the-road on Taylor Swift and her music, but I don't think these arguments about her songwriting process or limitations are a legit criticism. Musicians who truly do it all are rare (RIP Prince!).

There’s a difference. Stevie Nicks and Lindsay Buckingham were in the band together. They were artistic collaborators.

I don’t see Taylor Swift acknowledging Max Martin or Shellback or Aaron Dessner as being artistic collaborators.

She claims to write her songs by herself.

There is literally a two hour documentary on Disney+ about her collaboration with Aaron Dessner. It is the two of them at his long Pond studio, where she recorded three albums during the pandemic, and they are talking about the music, their collaborative process, and playing together.

Look if you are not a fan I get it. But why just spout off nonsense about things that you know nothing about. Do you literally just open up your phone and be like I’m gonna make up a bunch of things about Taylor Swift ? It is beyond bizarre.

But if I am not a fan, why would I watch a two-hour documentary about her? This is not like buying a car.I don't need to do more research about her to make a decision. There are only so many hours in the day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll give you all an example: we are never getting back together.

It’s credited to Taylor Swift, Max Martin, and Shellback. Max Martin wrote the boy band songs in the 90s. These guys aren’t just producers; they’re songwriter-producers.

If you look at the personnel breakdown, you’ll see Taylor did the vocals, but those 2 guys did everything else.

She does not write her guitar parts, with very very few exceptions. She does essentially none of the arranging.

This isn’t unique to her. This is how most pop is done.

NP. Agree that it's not unique to Taylor Swift--or even to pop music--but I disagree to the extent that it's somehow a knock against her. Stevie Nicks has said numerous times over the years that she would write the lyrics to her songs and rely on Lindsay Buckingham or the whole band to add the music. She occasionally wrote parts of the melodies but has admitted she has no knowledge of chords or what to do beyond coming up with a few notes that she'd pluck out on a piano or guitar. That doesn't detract from her being known as a prolific songwriter or from all of the Fleetwood Mac and solo hits she is credited for.

I am middle-of-the-road on Taylor Swift and her music, but I don't think these arguments about her songwriting process or limitations are a legit criticism. Musicians who truly do it all are rare (RIP Prince!).

There’s a difference. Stevie Nicks and Lindsay Buckingham were in the band together. They were artistic collaborators.

I don’t see Taylor Swift acknowledging Max Martin or Shellback or Aaron Dessner as being artistic collaborators.

She claims to write her songs by herself.

There is literally a two hour documentary on Disney+ about her collaboration with Aaron Dessner. It is the two of them at his long Pond studio, where she recorded three albums during the pandemic, and they are talking about the music, their collaborative process, and playing together.

Look if you are not a fan I get it. But why just spout off nonsense about things that you know nothing about. Do you literally just open up your phone and be like I’m gonna make up a bunch of things about Taylor Swift ? It is beyond bizarre.

But if I am not a fan, why would I watch a two-hour documentary about her? This is not like buying a car.I don't need to do more research about her to make a decision. There are only so many hours in the day.

Exactly. This is my point. If you are not a fan and you know nothing about her why are you insist on coming online and posting about a lot of things that you don’t know?

It is weird.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All her lyrics seem to be about that pre-teen/early teen stage of life, but she's 34??

Given that a song on her latest album is about masturbation, I am not so sure about that.

Yeah young teens don’t masturbate. That’s really something women in their mid-30s are fixated on.

?????????

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

+1

I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gen X women think hating Taylor Swift is a personality and I will never understand

One of the Gen X PPs here to clarify that I only am neutral/meh about Taylor. Now her fans…

+1

I have not posted much in the thread but I don't actually have strong feelings about Swift as a person. Like others I have tried to get into her music because she seems to be the biggest thing going, but it just never clicks with me. I do like singer-songwriters like Billie Eilish and Olivia Rodrigo so I don't think it's purely a generational thing.

But reading through the thread I am reminded that I find diehard Swifties really annoying. They take any critique of Swift so personally. I don't get it. I think there is a lot of over identification with her as a personal avatar and it's not healthy. She's just an artist and celeb.

Maybe. But a lot of these threads are just correcting blatant misinformation from people who don’t listen to her music or have not followed her career at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll give you all an example: we are never getting back together.

It’s credited to Taylor Swift, Max Martin, and Shellback. Max Martin wrote the boy band songs in the 90s. These guys aren’t just producers; they’re songwriter-producers.

If you look at the personnel breakdown, you’ll see Taylor did the vocals, but those 2 guys did everything else.

She does not write her guitar parts, with very very few exceptions. She does essentially none of the arranging.

This isn’t unique to her. This is how most pop is done.

NP. Agree that it's not unique to Taylor Swift--or even to pop music--but I disagree to the extent that it's somehow a knock against her. Stevie Nicks has said numerous times over the years that she would write the lyrics to her songs and rely on Lindsay Buckingham or the whole band to add the music. She occasionally wrote parts of the melodies but has admitted she has no knowledge of chords or what to do beyond coming up with a few notes that she'd pluck out on a piano or guitar. That doesn't detract from her being known as a prolific songwriter or from all of the Fleetwood Mac and solo hits she is credited for.

I am middle-of-the-road on Taylor Swift and her music, but I don't think these arguments about her songwriting process or limitations are a legit criticism. Musicians who truly do it all are rare (RIP Prince!).

There’s a difference. Stevie Nicks and Lindsay Buckingham were in the band together. They were artistic collaborators.

I don’t see Taylor Swift acknowledging Max Martin or Shellback or Aaron Dessner as being artistic collaborators.

She claims to write her songs by herself.

There is literally a two hour documentary on Disney+ about her collaboration with Aaron Dessner. It is the two of them at his long Pond studio, where she recorded three albums during the pandemic, and they are talking about the music, their collaborative process, and playing together.

Look if you are not a fan I get it. But why just spout off nonsense about things that you know nothing about. Do you literally just open up your phone and be like I’m gonna make up a bunch of things about Taylor Swift ? It is beyond bizarre.

But if I am not a fan, why would I watch a two-hour documentary about her? This is not like buying a car.I don't need to do more research about her to make a decision. There are only so many hours in the day.

Exactly. This is my point. If you are not a fan and you know nothing about her why are you insist on coming online and posting about a lot of things that you don’t know?

It is weird.

My point is I don't need to know any more than I already know not to be a fan. There is plenty already out there without additional research. I don't need to do in depth research about every aspect not to enjoy her. It is very weird to be on here trying to force people to consume more of her fairy EMO tripe.

[Anonymous]

Can't wait for her next song that combines vagina, living in London, her ex boyfriends and her sweater collection, all into one non sensical lyrical interlude.