HARRIS IS SELECTING MARK KELLY

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Anonymous wrote:The race is too close to pick someone who’ll be divisive. Walz or Kelly, please.

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Seriously if someone is causing this much infighting it's not worth it. Not this time.

Let's just go for the easy 2 points folks no sense in shooting airballs trying to look fancy going for a 3

The counter to that is, what if he can deliver PA

I'm still a Walz-head myself, with Kelly my second pick. But I have also come to realize my instincts aren't infallible. If the Very Smart People Who Know More Than I Do think Shapiro is the biggest asset, I take them seriously.

But yeah I do worry about him opening up this painful point of schism in our party, when we're otherwise at a moment of astonishing unity.

There's no guarantee he can deliver PA. He's not as well liked there as many here want to believe.

And if we get PA but loose 3 or 4 other states isn't it worth it

Oh, come on. I think he might possibly lose us Michigan but nobody thinks that it will make much much of a difference in other states, except Pennsylvania. which has more electoral votes..

It’s not a belief that he’s well liked in Pennsylvania, it’s a fact. He has a very high approval rating. My friend from Pennsylvania says she sees his signs out in red country where she never sees Democrats supported. If he can help peel off Republicans who are sick of Trump, all the better!

Both PA and MI are MUST wins.

Nj is as much a swing state as PA at this point and Mark Kelly is a NJ native, son of two retired police officers, NASA astronaut, and former military (the U.S. military not Israel’s)

Shapiro may promise PA and Florida and possibly NJ but he is a gamble for the Midwest and Arizona plus his tweet that trans women are women will set people off along with the surveillance stuff.

Kelly doesn’t have that much baggage

Florida? Shapiro cannot promise Florida. Lieberman did not get Florida in 2000, and that was when Florida was purple. The state now bleeds red, except in some tiny pockets.

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Someone keeps scrubbing it and someone else keeps putting it back. I saw mention of it on Twitter.

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Anonymous wrote:The race is too close to pick someone who’ll be divisive. Walz or Kelly, please.

+1

Seriously if someone is causing this much infighting it's not worth it. Not this time.

Let's just go for the easy 2 points folks no sense in shooting airballs trying to look fancy going for a 3

The counter to that is, what if he can deliver PA

I'm still a Walz-head myself, with Kelly my second pick. But I have also come to realize my instincts aren't infallible. If the Very Smart People Who Know More Than I Do think Shapiro is the biggest asset, I take them seriously.

But yeah I do worry about him opening up this painful point of schism in our party, when we're otherwise at a moment of astonishing unity.

There's no guarantee he can deliver PA. He's not as well liked there as many here want to believe.

And if we get PA but loose 3 or 4 other states isn't it worth it

Oh, come on. I think he might possibly lose us Michigan but nobody thinks that it will make much much of a difference in other states, except Pennsylvania. which has more electoral votes..

It’s not a belief that he’s well liked in Pennsylvania, it’s a fact. He has a very high approval rating. My friend from Pennsylvania says she sees his signs out in red country where she never sees Democrats supported. If he can help peel off Republicans who are sick of Trump, all the better!

Both PA and MI are MUST wins.

You realize that Gretchen Whitmer is going to help there, right?

All hands on deck.

Whitmer isn’t going to ruin her chances in 2028 by going all in for Harris. She will damn Harris with faint praise and get ready to take on Vance in 2028.

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Anonymous wrote:The race is too close to pick someone who’ll be divisive. Walz or Kelly, please.

+1

Seriously if someone is causing this much infighting it's not worth it. Not this time.

Let's just go for the easy 2 points folks no sense in shooting airballs trying to look fancy going for a 3

The counter to that is, what if he can deliver PA

I'm still a Walz-head myself, with Kelly my second pick. But I have also come to realize my instincts aren't infallible. If the Very Smart People Who Know More Than I Do think Shapiro is the biggest asset, I take them seriously.

But yeah I do worry about him opening up this painful point of schism in our party, when we're otherwise at a moment of astonishing unity.

There's no guarantee he can deliver PA. He's not as well liked there as many here want to believe.

And if we get PA but loose 3 or 4 other states isn't it worth it

Oh, come on. I think he might possibly lose us Michigan but nobody thinks that it will make much much of a difference in other states, except Pennsylvania. which has more electoral votes..

It’s not a belief that he’s well liked in Pennsylvania, it’s a fact. He has a very high approval rating. My friend from Pennsylvania says she sees his signs out in red country where she never sees Democrats supported. If he can help peel off Republicans who are sick of Trump, all the better!

So Shapiro will not support Harris unless he is on the ticket? Harris should step aside and let him be the top of the ticket if that is the case

She should step aside and let anyone at the top of the ticket if she doesn’t want to get Trump elected. Bungled by the DNC

RFK if they want a real shot

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Anonymous wrote:The race is too close to pick someone who’ll be divisive. Walz or Kelly, please.

+1

Seriously if someone is causing this much infighting it's not worth it. Not this time.

Let's just go for the easy 2 points folks no sense in shooting airballs trying to look fancy going for a 3

The counter to that is, what if he can deliver PA

I'm still a Walz-head myself, with Kelly my second pick. But I have also come to realize my instincts aren't infallible. If the Very Smart People Who Know More Than I Do think Shapiro is the biggest asset, I take them seriously.

But yeah I do worry about him opening up this painful point of schism in our party, when we're otherwise at a moment of astonishing unity.

There's no guarantee he can deliver PA. He's not as well liked there as many here want to believe.

And if we get PA but loose 3 or 4 other states isn't it worth it

Oh, come on. I think he might possibly lose us Michigan but nobody thinks that it will make much much of a difference in other states, except Pennsylvania. which has more electoral votes..

It’s not a belief that he’s well liked in Pennsylvania, it’s a fact. He has a very high approval rating. My friend from Pennsylvania says she sees his signs out in red country where she never sees Democrats supported. If he can help peel off Republicans who are sick of Trump, all the better!

Both PA and MI are MUST wins.

You realize that Gretchen Whitmer is going to help there, right?

All hands on deck.

She will, but a miracle worker she is not. Protest votes, I have been hearing.

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Shapiro argued that peace “will never come” to the Middle East, said Palestinians were incapable of creating their own state and described Palestinians as “too battle-minded.”

He wrote: “Using history as precedent, peace between Arabs and Israelis is virtually impossible and will never come.” He also wrote: “Palestinians will not coexist peacefully…They do not have the capabilities to establish their own homeland and make it successful even with the aid of Israel and the United States. They are too battle-minded to be able to establish a peaceful homeland of their own.”

https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-philadelphia-calls-on-gov-shapiro-to-apologize-for-newly-revealed-racist-anti-palestinian-remarks/

Wow racist much? Shapiro claims he is a former IDF soldier. Is this true? If so what unit did he served with and at what time? Many of the IDF units have long documented history of crimes. Was he stationed in the West Bank? It would be important to know if he was committing crimes against humanity

No, this is yet more disinformation.

“While he was in high school, Josh Shapiro was required to do a service project, which he and several classmates completed through a program that took them to a kibbutz in Israel where he worked on a farm and at a fishery,” Bonder told the outlet, and later confirmed with The Daily Beast.

“The program also included volunteering on service projects on an Israeli army base. At no time was he engaged in any military activities,” Bonder added.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/josh-shapiro-never-served-in-israel-military-spox-confirms

That's the current story. However, that is not what you wrote when he was in college. He said he was a volunteer in the IDF.

Right, you're telling us his own words aren't true. Why isn't he being honest?

I am telling you that what he wrote originally is not the story that you repeated. And it was someone else telling the reader what Shapiro really meant when he originally wrote that he was a volunteer in the IDF. It is reasonably possible that he lied in his original paper. Oh well.

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Shapiro argued that peace “will never come” to the Middle East, said Palestinians were incapable of creating their own state and described Palestinians as “too battle-minded.”

He wrote: “Using history as precedent, peace between Arabs and Israelis is virtually impossible and will never come.” He also wrote: “Palestinians will not coexist peacefully…They do not have the capabilities to establish their own homeland and make it successful even with the aid of Israel and the United States. They are too battle-minded to be able to establish a peaceful homeland of their own.”

https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-philadelphia-calls-on-gov-shapiro-to-apologize-for-newly-revealed-racist-anti-palestinian-remarks/

Wow racist much? Shapiro claims he is a former IDF soldier. Is this true? If so what unit did he served with and at what time? Many of the IDF units have long documented history of crimes. Was he stationed in the West Bank? It would be important to know if he was committing crimes against humanity

No, this is yet more disinformation.

“While he was in high school, Josh Shapiro was required to do a service project, which he and several classmates completed through a program that took them to a kibbutz in Israel where he worked on a farm and at a fishery,” Bonder told the outlet, and later confirmed with The Daily Beast.

“The program also included volunteering on service projects on an Israeli army base. At no time was he engaged in any military activities,” Bonder added.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/josh-shapiro-never-served-in-israel-military-spox-confirms

That's the current story. However, that is not what you wrote when he was in college. He said he was a volunteer in the IDF.

Right, you're telling us his own words aren't true. Why isn't he being honest?

I am telling you that what he wrote originally is not the story that you repeated. And it was someone else telling the reader what Shapiro really meant when he originally wrote that he was a volunteer in the IDF. It is reasonably possible that he lied in his original paper. Oh well.

Sorry. I'm the poster you quoted and I'm a dp. I apologize if my interjection was confusing.

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Shapiro argued that peace “will never come” to the Middle East, said Palestinians were incapable of creating their own state and described Palestinians as “too battle-minded.”

He wrote: “Using history as precedent, peace between Arabs and Israelis is virtually impossible and will never come.” He also wrote: “Palestinians will not coexist peacefully…They do not have the capabilities to establish their own homeland and make it successful even with the aid of Israel and the United States. They are too battle-minded to be able to establish a peaceful homeland of their own.”

https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-philadelphia-calls-on-gov-shapiro-to-apologize-for-newly-revealed-racist-anti-palestinian-remarks/

Wow racist much? Shapiro claims he is a former IDF soldier. Is this true? If so what unit did he served with and at what time? Many of the IDF units have long documented history of crimes. Was he stationed in the West Bank? It would be important to know if he was committing crimes against humanity

No, this is yet more disinformation.

“While he was in high school, Josh Shapiro was required to do a service project, which he and several classmates completed through a program that took them to a kibbutz in Israel where he worked on a farm and at a fishery,” Bonder told the outlet, and later confirmed with The Daily Beast.

“The program also included volunteering on service projects on an Israeli army base. At no time was he engaged in any military activities,” Bonder added.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/josh-shapiro-never-served-in-israel-military-spox-confirms

That's the current story. However, that is not what you wrote when he was in college. He said he was a volunteer in the IDF.

He did write he was a volunteer in the IDF, and it was on his Wikipedia page even as of today. But now, mysteriously, it is no longer there. Thoughts on why it was scrubbed?

Daily Beast. https://www.thedailybeast.com/josh-shapiro-never-served-in-israel-military-spox-confirms

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I know that if we lose Democrats will blame protesters and Muslims and Arab Americans and the youth. But they aren't the ones who will lose the election. This administration's complete disregard for the humanity of Palestinians and the cruel misrepresentation of them in the media has consequences. It is the failed policy toward Israel and Palestine that could lose this election.

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Anonymous wrote:I know that if we lose Democrats will blame protesters and Muslims and Arab Americans and the youth. But they aren't the ones who will lose the election. This administration's complete disregard for the humanity of Palestinians and the cruel misrepresentation of them in the media has consequences. It is the failed policy toward Israel and Palestine that could lose this election.

But they installed a $320 million pier in Gaza. Went about as well as the Afghanistan withdrawal.

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Trump has 2 other trump cards he might pull out if Shapiro is the candidate: his other son in law Lebanese Christian Michael Boulos, and his lawyer Iraqi Christian Alina Habba.

Tiffany Trump/Michael may be the key to his election.

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In ironic twists of fate, Trumps new son in law is from the same country Netanyahu is lobbying Trump to attack, and the key purple state with high electoral votes is now Michigan not Florida.

This all bodes badly for a Shapiro pick. It seems like it will be a bigger uphill battle and it’s a divisive pick that will split the Dem Party in half

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Anonymous wrote:Trump has 2 other trump cards he might pull out if Shapiro is the candidate: his other son in law Lebanese Christian Michael Boulos, and his lawyer Iraqi Christian Alina Habba.

Tiffany Trump/Michael may be the key to his election.

How are these Trump cards? And why is nothing on this thread about Mark Kelly? Why is this even a separate thread?

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Anonymous wrote:I know that if we lose Democrats will blame protesters and Muslims and Arab Americans and the youth. But they aren't the ones who will lose the election. This administration's complete disregard for the humanity of Palestinians and the cruel misrepresentation of them in the media has consequences. It is the failed policy toward Israel and Palestine that could lose this election.

Oh FFS. Harris is not running for President of Palestine. Americans aren’t going to choose their president by how cozy she is with Palestinians. Most people with brains are aware that the history is long, complex, and full of questionable decisions and some really bad behavior on both sides.

Only a fringe will choose based on Palestine’s best interest, because it is a foreign country and not our problem to solve.

You have a seriously distorted image of how much most Americans care about this issue.

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Anonymous wrote:I know that if we lose Democrats will blame protesters and Muslims and Arab Americans and the youth. But they aren't the ones who will lose the election. This administration's complete disregard for the humanity of Palestinians and the cruel misrepresentation of them in the media has consequences. It is the failed policy toward Israel and Palestine that could lose this election.

Oh FFS. Harris is not running for President of Palestine. Americans aren’t going to choose their president by how cozy she is with Palestinians. Most people with brains are aware that the history is long, complex, and full of questionable decisions and some really bad behavior on both sides.

Only a fringe will choose based on Palestine’s best interest, because it is a foreign country and not our problem to solve.

You have a seriously distorted image of how much most Americans care about this issue.

I think you’re the one with the distorted image. Look at how this thread devolved into this issue.

More Americans care than you want to admit