COVID Lockdowns Were a Giant Experiment. It Was a Failure.

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Anonymous wrote:I still have no clue why all the playgrounds got fenced off and closed. WHY?!

We tried very hard to keep things normal for our small kids, but as parents we paid a heavy price. I changed a lot as a parent and also as a person. I had a great life beforehand filled with friends and relatives. It made me realize that you can't rely on anyone. Grandparents just huddled in their houses by themselves while kids had mental breakdown and parents nearly lost their jobs.

Yes I was changed as a person too. Became pretty jaded. My kid, surprisingly, did better - but I would never dream of denying that some kids were deeply affected.
As for the playgrounds - those in power had to “do something” and it was the easiest thing to do.

People were dying and your biggest worry was playgrounds. You can get a $100-200 swing set for your backyard. No backyard, go to a friends house.

Literally no one was dying of covid from open playgrounds. Don't be ridiculous.

Of course a kid could get Covid and bring it home to a parent or grandparents.

But that same kid would not bring it home if they attended a protest against racism. Because that was different.

It’s barely transmitted outdoors. If you were that distraught about the discrepancy you could have helped arrange school outside instead of making fun of people here who took steps to do that. It was a lot harder work, though.

Unless it was an outdoor playground. Because then it would definitely transmit. Same goes for joggers on the sidewalk.

Playgrounds were closed for how long? Joggers were asked to mask for how long?

It’s been years. At this point you sound like the ones with the harder time moving on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's been three years, all schools have been back open for 2.5-3 years. Why are you still obsessing over it? If it was that traumatizing for you, seek mental health treatment.

Funny enough, its the people that took COVID seriously that need mental health treatment:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/21/people-who-stuck-by-uk-covid-rules-have-worst-mental-health-says-survey

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Anonymous wrote:It's been three years, all schools have been back open for 2.5-3 years. Why are you still obsessing over it? If it was that traumatizing for you, seek mental health treatment.

Same. People are still obsessing over this shit. It happened. Why continually revisit and obsess over it? It's ok to do a post mortem but to dwell on it like people do?

And that goes for both sides of the issue,.

To be fair, there are still people (albeit a small amount) out there who are still pushing for Covid restrictions/guidelines, posting videos on social media about the next surge, people not taking it seriously, etc. I just ignore it but I can understand people are frustrated by that.

I truly don't know what to believe anymore. It's so difficult to find information that isn't spun one way or another. Even the numbers can be manipulated (deaths vs excess deaths, deaths with comorbidities, etc.) I remember hearing the horror stories from healthcare workers early on, did they all really exaggerate? That's the part that I find really unsettling is even know years later, the "real story" is still pretty fuzzy.

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Anonymous wrote:I still have no clue why all the playgrounds got fenced off and closed. WHY?!

We tried very hard to keep things normal for our small kids, but as parents we paid a heavy price. I changed a lot as a parent and also as a person. I had a great life beforehand filled with friends and relatives. It made me realize that you can't rely on anyone. Grandparents just huddled in their houses by themselves while kids had mental breakdown and parents nearly lost their jobs.

Yes I was changed as a person too. Became pretty jaded. My kid, surprisingly, did better - but I would never dream of denying that some kids were deeply affected.
As for the playgrounds - those in power had to “do something” and it was the easiest thing to do.

People were dying and your biggest worry was playgrounds. You can get a $100-200 swing set for your backyard. No backyard, go to a friends house.

Literally no one was dying of covid from open playgrounds. Don't be ridiculous.

Of course a kid could get Covid and bring it home to a parent or grandparents.

But that same kid would not bring it home if they attended a protest against racism. Because that was different.

It’s barely transmitted outdoors. If you were that distraught about the discrepancy you could have helped arrange school outside instead of making fun of people here who took steps to do that. It was a lot harder work, though.

Unless it was an outdoor playground. Because then it would definitely transmit. Same goes for joggers on the sidewalk.

Playgrounds were closed for how long? Joggers were asked to mask for how long?

It’s been years. At this point you sound like the ones with the harder time moving on.

I really don't understand why you're so opposed to identifying and learning from the mistakes made in our pandemic response. It's quite odd. Are you fundamentally opposed to learning history, too?

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Anonymous wrote:I still have no clue why all the playgrounds got fenced off and closed. WHY?!

We tried very hard to keep things normal for our small kids, but as parents we paid a heavy price. I changed a lot as a parent and also as a person. I had a great life beforehand filled with friends and relatives. It made me realize that you can't rely on anyone. Grandparents just huddled in their houses by themselves while kids had mental breakdown and parents nearly lost their jobs.

Yes I was changed as a person too. Became pretty jaded. My kid, surprisingly, did better - but I would never dream of denying that some kids were deeply affected.
As for the playgrounds - those in power had to “do something” and it was the easiest thing to do.

People were dying and your biggest worry was playgrounds. You can get a $100-200 swing set for your backyard. No backyard, go to a friends house.

Literally no one was dying of covid from open playgrounds. Don't be ridiculous.

Of course a kid could get Covid and bring it home to a parent or grandparents.

But that same kid would not bring it home if they attended a protest against racism. Because that was different.

It’s barely transmitted outdoors. If you were that distraught about the discrepancy you could have helped arrange school outside instead of making fun of people here who took steps to do that. It was a lot harder work, though.

Unless it was an outdoor playground. Because then it would definitely transmit. Same goes for joggers on the sidewalk.

Playgrounds were closed for how long? Joggers were asked to mask for how long?

It’s been years. At this point you sound like the ones with the harder time moving on.

I really don't understand why you're so opposed to identifying and learning from the mistakes made in our pandemic response. It's quite odd. Are you fundamentally opposed to learning history, too?

+1 the unions have been screeching "get over it!" since 2021 because they don't want anyone to learn from the experience, as that learning would highlight the harms that extended virtual schooling created.

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Anonymous wrote:I still have no clue why all the playgrounds got fenced off and closed. WHY?!

We tried very hard to keep things normal for our small kids, but as parents we paid a heavy price. I changed a lot as a parent and also as a person. I had a great life beforehand filled with friends and relatives. It made me realize that you can't rely on anyone. Grandparents just huddled in their houses by themselves while kids had mental breakdown and parents nearly lost their jobs.

Yes I was changed as a person too. Became pretty jaded. My kid, surprisingly, did better - but I would never dream of denying that some kids were deeply affected.
As for the playgrounds - those in power had to “do something” and it was the easiest thing to do.

People were dying and your biggest worry was playgrounds. You can get a $100-200 swing set for your backyard. No backyard, go to a friends house.

Literally no one was dying of covid from open playgrounds. Don't be ridiculous.

Of course a kid could get Covid and bring it home to a parent or grandparents.

But that same kid would not bring it home if they attended a protest against racism. Because that was different.

It’s barely transmitted outdoors. If you were that distraught about the discrepancy you could have helped arrange school outside instead of making fun of people here who took steps to do that. It was a lot harder work, though.

Unless it was an outdoor playground. Because then it would definitely transmit. Same goes for joggers on the sidewalk.

Playgrounds were closed for how long? Joggers were asked to mask for how long?

It’s been years. At this point you sound like the ones with the harder time moving on.

I really don't understand why you're so opposed to identifying and learning from the mistakes made in our pandemic response. It's quite odd. Are you fundamentally opposed to learning history, too?

You know that PP is one of the first to cry about righting past wrongs and doing better. Unless that PP is on the wrong side of history, like now. Then it's "OMG stop talking about it!". So hypocritical.

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Anonymous wrote:It's been three years, all schools have been back open for 2.5-3 years. Why are you still obsessing over it? If it was that traumatizing for you, seek mental health treatment.

Because the learning loss and future income loss for these kids doesn’t get better with “mental health treatment” and it’s something our whole society suffers with. Student progress in math and reading was set back by two decades according to the NYT.

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Anonymous wrote:I still have no clue why all the playgrounds got fenced off and closed. WHY?!

We tried very hard to keep things normal for our small kids, but as parents we paid a heavy price. I changed a lot as a parent and also as a person. I had a great life beforehand filled with friends and relatives. It made me realize that you can't rely on anyone. Grandparents just huddled in their houses by themselves while kids had mental breakdown and parents nearly lost their jobs.

Yes I was changed as a person too. Became pretty jaded. My kid, surprisingly, did better - but I would never dream of denying that some kids were deeply affected.
As for the playgrounds - those in power had to “do something” and it was the easiest thing to do.

People were dying and your biggest worry was playgrounds. You can get a $100-200 swing set for your backyard. No backyard, go to a friends house.

Literally no one was dying of covid from open playgrounds. Don't be ridiculous.

Of course a kid could get Covid and bring it home to a parent or grandparents.

But that same kid would not bring it home if they attended a protest against racism. Because that was different.

It’s barely transmitted outdoors. If you were that distraught about the discrepancy you could have helped arrange school outside instead of making fun of people here who took steps to do that. It was a lot harder work, though.

Even outdoor church services were shut down. This isn’t a convincing excuse for the hypocrisy we all saw.

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Anonymous wrote:Keeping public schools closed for an extra year - while private schools and restaurants and retail and etc were open - was a giant mistake.

And I will never forgive progressives and teachers unions for throwing kids under the bus like that

You are right, they should have kept them all closed/virtual. Imagine if they did how many lives could have been saved. So, some of us did our part while the rest of you lived life as normal, spreading it to the rest of us and killing our family members. Thank you. Really appreciate your kindness and empathy.

I bet you really believe this and there are so many like you.

See I still wonder why no one ever talks about why so many people with no health conditions they knew of died. That’s what is scary. It shows how lacking diagnostics for health really are.

And then I wonder if the “cure” was worse than the disease. I do know one person who died bc the massive amounts of steroids used led to a heart attack. I think if we were to really look into the covid deaths this would not be an unusual case.

What I learned from the pandemic was how easily overwhelmed and frightened even the smartest people can be and no amount of reason can help them overcome this. And the next time around maybe anti anxiety pills need to be given out more freely. I am not kidding either. I think it would have helped a lot.

I don’t blame the govt or either president bc none had experienced a pandemic. Yes the govt had plans but they were always based on the idea that modern medicine would be do good as to overcome it in a short duration think like less than 1 yr. Now they know better so they will do better. The basis for planning was 1918 so they thought look how far we have come surely modern medicine will be able to get it sorted out in months.

And then throw in media and people bring home with nothing to do but consume it …

We will never really know what did and didn't work. The response to the pandemic was all over the place. You can find "facts" out there to support any position you want if you look hard enough or twist the narrative.

Americans don't like being told what to do. Everything gets politicized and corrupted by the awfulness that comes with that. We will never unify in the face of any virus or enemy like we did back in WW2. We are a different nation now and everyone is out for themselves. No one wants to sacrifice. And say what you want about the CDC and public officials, but the lack of trust has been degraded long before the pandemic. We got lucky with COVID. If anything truly scary ever hits, we are totally F-d. All the COVID-trauma queens will ignore any and all public health recommendations and mandates, because they think they are pandemic-response experts now.

It would be great if we could learn from the pandemic and do better next time. But we won't.

This isn’t about Americans not liking being told what to do, it’s about policy and scientific effectiveness. We masked toddlers. The Western Europeans weren’t doing that, and their schools were open when blue districts here in the US were still locked down a year later. We can compare what worked and what didn’t by comparing health outcomes across multiple population groups - it’s not like the pandemic only affected the US.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I still have no clue why all the playgrounds got fenced off and closed. WHY?!

We tried very hard to keep things normal for our small kids, but as parents we paid a heavy price. I changed a lot as a parent and also as a person. I had a great life beforehand filled with friends and relatives. It made me realize that you can't rely on anyone. Grandparents just huddled in their houses by themselves while kids had mental breakdown and parents nearly lost their jobs.

Yes I was changed as a person too. Became pretty jaded. My kid, surprisingly, did better - but I would never dream of denying that some kids were deeply affected.
As for the playgrounds - those in power had to “do something” and it was the easiest thing to do.

People were dying and your biggest worry was playgrounds. You can get a $100-200 swing set for your backyard. No backyard, go to a friends house.

Literally no one was dying of covid from open playgrounds. Don't be ridiculous.

Of course a kid could get Covid and bring it home to a parent or grandparents.

But that same kid would not bring it home if they attended a protest against racism. Because that was different.

It’s barely transmitted outdoors. If you were that distraught about the discrepancy you could have helped arrange school outside instead of making fun of people here who took steps to do that. It was a lot harder work, though.

Unless it was an outdoor playground. Because then it would definitely transmit. Same goes for joggers on the sidewalk.

Playgrounds were closed for how long? Joggers were asked to mask for how long?

It’s been years. At this point you sound like the ones with the harder time moving on.

I really don't understand why you're so opposed to identifying and learning from the mistakes made in our pandemic response. It's quite odd. Are you fundamentally opposed to learning history, too?

+1 the unions have been screeching "get over it!" since 2021 because they don't want anyone to learn from the experience, as that learning would highlight the harms that extended virtual schooling created.

But now they're big on touting the learning loss (see Randi's tweets), to get even more money. Create a problem and then extort money from taxpayers.

Instead of the military industrial complex, it's the educational industrial complex.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's been three years, all schools have been back open for 2.5-3 years. Why are you still obsessing over it? If it was that traumatizing for you, seek mental health treatment.

Funny enough, its the people that took COVID seriously that need mental health treatment:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/21/people-who-stuck-by-uk-covid-rules-have-worst-mental-health-says-survey

Thank you for sharing this article. I'm not happy that this is the case, but I am glad to see some validation of how people who genuinely thought that sacrificing their lives and connections with others was the right thing to do continue struggling. I'm definitely one of those people, and I'm still dealing with my guilt about how my views about the pandemic did to my kids (one in particular). The last line resonates with me: "Campaigns need to highlight the personal costs and benefits involved, not just people’s responsibility to others." Speaking for myself as a person who always valued community service, I underestimated how damaging my rule-following and prioritizing the needs of others over my own was for my family's mental health.

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Anonymous wrote:I still have no clue why all the playgrounds got fenced off and closed. WHY?!

We tried very hard to keep things normal for our small kids, but as parents we paid a heavy price. I changed a lot as a parent and also as a person. I had a great life beforehand filled with friends and relatives. It made me realize that you can't rely on anyone. Grandparents just huddled in their houses by themselves while kids had mental breakdown and parents nearly lost their jobs.

Yes I was changed as a person too. Became pretty jaded. My kid, surprisingly, did better - but I would never dream of denying that some kids were deeply affected.
As for the playgrounds - those in power had to “do something” and it was the easiest thing to do.

People were dying and your biggest worry was playgrounds. You can get a $100-200 swing set for your backyard. No backyard, go to a friends house.

Literally no one was dying of covid from open playgrounds. Don't be ridiculous.

Of course a kid could get Covid and bring it home to a parent or grandparents.

But that same kid would not bring it home if they attended a protest against racism. Because that was different.

It’s barely transmitted outdoors. If you were that distraught about the discrepancy you could have helped arrange school outside instead of making fun of people here who took steps to do that. It was a lot harder work, though.

Unless it was an outdoor playground. Because then it would definitely transmit. Same goes for joggers on the sidewalk.

Playgrounds were closed for how long? Joggers were asked to mask for how long?

It’s been years. At this point you sound like the ones with the harder time moving on.

In MoCo we were advised by the county to continue outdoor masking until we were vaccinated. Heaven forbid you passed someone on the trail without a mask on, best case you got a death stare, worst case you were yelled out (not that you could understand what they were saying through their double masks). If you didn't live in an area like this, consider yourself lucky!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Keeping public schools closed for an extra year - while private schools and restaurants and retail and etc were open - was a giant mistake.

And I will never forgive progressives and teachers unions for throwing kids under the bus like that

You are right, they should have kept them all closed/virtual. Imagine if they did how many lives could have been saved. So, some of us did our part while the rest of you lived life as normal, spreading it to the rest of us and killing our family members. Thank you. Really appreciate your kindness and empathy.

I bet you really believe this and there are so many like you.

See I still wonder why no one ever talks about why so many people with no health conditions they knew of died. That’s what is scary. It shows how lacking diagnostics for health really are.

And then I wonder if the “cure” was worse than the disease. I do know one person who died bc the massive amounts of steroids used led to a heart attack. I think if we were to really look into the covid deaths this would not be an unusual case.

What I learned from the pandemic was how easily overwhelmed and frightened even the smartest people can be and no amount of reason can help them overcome this. And the next time around maybe anti anxiety pills need to be given out more freely. I am not kidding either. I think it would have helped a lot.

I don’t blame the govt or either president bc none had experienced a pandemic. Yes the govt had plans but they were always based on the idea that modern medicine would be do good as to overcome it in a short duration think like less than 1 yr. Now they know better so they will do better. The basis for planning was 1918 so they thought look how far we have come surely modern medicine will be able to get it sorted out in months.

And then throw in media and people bring home with nothing to do but consume it …

We will never really know what did and didn't work. The response to the pandemic was all over the place. You can find "facts" out there to support any position you want if you look hard enough or twist the narrative.

Americans don't like being told what to do. Everything gets politicized and corrupted by the awfulness that comes with that. We will never unify in the face of any virus or enemy like we did back in WW2. We are a different nation now and everyone is out for themselves. No one wants to sacrifice. And say what you want about the CDC and public officials, but the lack of trust has been degraded long before the pandemic. We got lucky with COVID. If anything truly scary ever hits, we are totally F-d. All the COVID-trauma queens will ignore any and all public health recommendations and mandates, because they think they are pandemic-response experts now.

It would be great if we could learn from the pandemic and do better next time. But we won't.

This isn’t about Americans not liking being told what to do, it’s about policy and scientific effectiveness. We masked toddlers. The Western Europeans weren’t doing that, and their schools were open when blue districts here in the US were still locked down a year later. We can compare what worked and what didn’t by comparing health outcomes across multiple population groups - it’s not like the pandemic only affected the US.

+1. I'm still mad that my 2yo had to mask, and no I'm not going to let it go, because health officials never admitted they were wrong and what's to say they wouldn't throw young children under the bus again.

[Anonymous]

Just stop already
We had a pandemic during Don the cons tenure of how do I gas light America and hand it to Russia.

Republicans killed over 1 million Americans for a fat orange POS criminal liar.

And now the antivax will bring polio back

The idiots don’t care they want the IS owned by Russia.

Republicans who can not wear a non invasive masks screw off. Bec when the next one hits it will be worse bec you all are so dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:I still have no clue why all the playgrounds got fenced off and closed. WHY?!

We tried very hard to keep things normal for our small kids, but as parents we paid a heavy price. I changed a lot as a parent and also as a person. I had a great life beforehand filled with friends and relatives. It made me realize that you can't rely on anyone. Grandparents just huddled in their houses by themselves while kids had mental breakdown and parents nearly lost their jobs.

Yes I was changed as a person too. Became pretty jaded. My kid, surprisingly, did better - but I would never dream of denying that some kids were deeply affected.
As for the playgrounds - those in power had to “do something” and it was the easiest thing to do.

People were dying and your biggest worry was playgrounds. You can get a $100-200 swing set for your backyard. No backyard, go to a friends house.

Literally no one was dying of covid from open playgrounds. Don't be ridiculous.

Of course a kid could get Covid and bring it home to a parent or grandparents.

But that same kid would not bring it home if they attended a protest against racism. Because that was different.

It’s barely transmitted outdoors. If you were that distraught about the discrepancy you could have helped arrange school outside instead of making fun of people here who took steps to do that. It was a lot harder work, though.

Unless it was an outdoor playground. Because then it would definitely transmit. Same goes for joggers on the sidewalk.

Playgrounds were closed for how long? Joggers were asked to mask for how long?

It’s been years. At this point you sound like the ones with the harder time moving on.

I really don't understand why you're so opposed to identifying and learning from the mistakes made in our pandemic response. It's quite odd. Are you fundamentally opposed to learning history, too?

+1 the unions have been screeching "get over it!" since 2021 because they don't want anyone to learn from the experience, as that learning would highlight the harms that extended virtual schooling created.

But now they're big on touting the learning loss (see Randi's tweets), to get even more money. Create a problem and then extort money from taxpayers.

Instead of the military industrial complex, it's the educational industrial complex.

I wouldn't put it the same way, but I do think when making drastic decisions about something important as public education, all costs (financial, educational, health, etc.) need to be considered as part of those decisions. That definitely wasn't done. Learning gaps are only being acknowledged now by education leaders because they need more money. When closures were being debated in the fall of 2020, no one was saying that we needed to keep schools closed in the name of public health, but we also needed to recognize that there would be setbacks that would require intensive effort and significant funding to address. Instead, the cost were minimized or ignored entirely. That's a fact