Matthew perry died

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Anonymous wrote:For those that say his saying and acting like he was sober means it probably wasn’t current drug use: this former child actor died. He was living in a sober house but his dad said he was struggling with addiction:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/former-child-star-evan-ellingson-dies-at-35/ar-AA1jwksf?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=baaa311f98cc4cec88ba00e54f56ce65&ei=7

We don’t know yet why Perry died, but my cousin’s son struggled for 10 years with a pill addiction. He seemed to clean up his act, became an EMT, and lectured kids on how drugs could have ruined his life forever. In his mid 20s, he was found dead at the fire station sleeping quarters, of a drug overdose. All family and coworkers thought he was clean.

Another friend died of an overdose, found dead at his office desk by his secretary after her lunch break. He’d been a drug addict for years. Lost his wife, his 4 kids and eventually his law license. After a 5 year suspension, it was restored and he appeared to be doing great. Began practicing law again, rebuilt a practice and clientele.

We don’t know, what we don’t know.

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Anonymous wrote:For those that say his saying and acting like he was sober means it probably wasn’t current drug use: this former child actor died. He was living in a sober house but his dad said he was struggling with addiction:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/former-child-star-evan-ellingson-dies-at-35/ar-AA1jwksf?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=baaa311f98cc4cec88ba00e54f56ce65&ei=7

We don’t know yet why Perry died, but my cousin’s son struggled for 10 years with a pill addiction. He seemed to clean up his act, became an EMT, and lectured kids on how drugs could have ruined his life forever. In his mid 20s, he was found dead at the fire station sleeping quarters, of a drug overdose. All family and coworkers thought he was clean.

Another friend died of an overdose, found dead at his office desk by his secretary after her lunch break. He’d been a drug addict for years. Lost his wife, his 4 kids and eventually his law license. After a 5 year suspension, it was restored and he appeared to be doing great. Began practicing law again, rebuilt a practice and clientele.

We don’t know, what we don’t know.

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It seems quite common that addicts who get clean overdose as soon as they start again, often the first time. Maybe their body just can't take it again, I don't know.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't remember the names of either of these, but Matthew Perry was excellent in both.

The first was a series he did after Friends where he played a widower who was in therapy. It sounds sad but was a comedy and I was so disappointed when it was cancelled.

The second was a movie he did for Hallmark Hall of Fame where he played a teacher in a disadvantaged school. It really showed what a great dramatic actor he was.

Sounds like some real Tom Hanks level stuff there, Larry King.

Oh, grow up. You’re neither clever nor funny.

DP

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Anonymous wrote:Tributes have come but so far nothing from the cast of Friends, not one.

I hope they are comforting each other. They knew him. I don't need their tributes. They probably need each other right now.

Exactly this. This isn’t some news story tabloid drama for them. He is someone who meant a lot to them who they watched struggle for so long.

Do you think this? After watching the reunion, I felt like they were coworkers, they cared about him as a person, but he was probably a mess as a colleague,
and they didn’t keep in touch after. I’m sure they have strong feelings of sadness and even guilt, but I don’t know if they were like family, as someone above said.

I felt like he very much wanted to retain close ties with the case but they didn’t.

The girls always stayed in touch with each other. At the reunion they said Schwim was the one who kept everyone up to date on what the others were doing.

MP did make a comment that no one called him but I was never sure if he meant it sarcastically or not. The others didn’t really react. And Court has posted a few pics of the two of them having lunch. He did a skit on Ellen with Jen and Court. I think they stayed in touch just not as frequently as the girls did.

Schwimm? Jen? Court? Are they personal friends of yours?

This is how they (and PP, apparently) refer to each other.

If you’ve watched the interviews and reunions you know this is what they call each other. And the girls also have pet names for each other that they’ve used on IG posts.

It's really not important, but the gist is that they have nicknames within their own group, not for the fans to adopt. But whatever.

Your level of investment in this is quite odd. Truly.

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Anonymous wrote:He was a talented guy for sure, but he was no schwimmer

Poor Schwimmer. No one is going to grieve like this when he dies.

Wow. How ugly of you to anticipate the reaction to someone's death like this. No, there won't be the level of public, fan posts "like this" for any of the other cast members of a long-ago sitcom. Perry's character was particularly loved and IRL, he apparently made real efforts to help other addicts. But your anticipatory comparison of grief over the deaths of people you don't know personally is shallow and ghoulish. Maybe watch fewer Friends reruns and get out of the house.

Stop calling everyone you disagree with “ghoulish”. You’ve done it multiple times on this thread and it is annoying. NP

NP and I, too, have used the word “ghoul” in this thread. Sorry you don’t like that word, but the use of it doesn’t make it a repeat poster. People might actually disagree with your viewpoint sometimes, I do hope you can come to accept that. If you prefer Tragedy Vulture, we can trot out that phrase, too. Words have meanings and you people who just love to speculate over the deaths of people you don’t know, and the grief of people you don’t know, are ghouls.

Exactly.

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His initial tox screen came back negative. That doesn’t mean he is clean for sure but it does mean he didn’t have any major illicit drugs in his system.

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Anonymous wrote:For those that say his saying and acting like he was sober means it probably wasn’t current drug use: this former child actor died. He was living in a sober house but his dad said he was struggling with addiction:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/former-child-star-evan-ellingson-dies-at-35/ar-AA1jwksf?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=baaa311f98cc4cec88ba00e54f56ce65&ei=7

We don’t know yet why Perry died, but my cousin’s son struggled for 10 years with a pill addiction. He seemed to clean up his act, became an EMT, and lectured kids on how drugs could have ruined his life forever. In his mid 20s, he was found dead at the fire station sleeping quarters, of a drug overdose. All family and coworkers thought he was clean.

Another friend died of an overdose, found dead at his office desk by his secretary after her lunch break. He’d been a drug addict for years. Lost his wife, his 4 kids and eventually his law license. After a 5 year suspension, it was restored and he appeared to be doing great. Began practicing law again, rebuilt a practice and clientele.

We don’t know, what we don’t know.

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It seems quite common that addicts who get clean overdose as soon as they start again, often the first time. Maybe their body just can't take it again, I don't know.

Often the first time? No- they build a tolerance though and need more and more. Accepting risks is par for the course. But often overdosing the first time after a term of sobriety. I don’t think often is the correct word.

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Anonymous wrote:For those that say his saying and acting like he was sober means it probably wasn’t current drug use: this former child actor died. He was living in a sober house but his dad said he was struggling with addiction:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/former-child-star-evan-ellingson-dies-at-35/ar-AA1jwksf?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=baaa311f98cc4cec88ba00e54f56ce65&ei=7

We don’t know yet why Perry died, but my cousin’s son struggled for 10 years with a pill addiction. He seemed to clean up his act, became an EMT, and lectured kids on how drugs could have ruined his life forever. In his mid 20s, he was found dead at the fire station sleeping quarters, of a drug overdose. All family and coworkers thought he was clean.

Another friend died of an overdose, found dead at his office desk by his secretary after her lunch break. He’d been a drug addict for years. Lost his wife, his 4 kids and eventually his law license. After a 5 year suspension, it was restored and he appeared to be doing great. Began practicing law again, rebuilt a practice and clientele.

We don’t know, what we don’t know.

Is anyone saying he was acting sober? There was a DCUM thread just before his death flagging his sudden frequent posting on Instagram. In any event, whether he relapsed or not is beside the point. This essay says it better than I could.

How society is still failing Matthew Perry
Perry's pending toxicology report is the talk of Hollywood. He deserves better than that.
https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/matthew-perry-cause-death-buzz-reveals-addiction-blind-spot-rcna123585

"But perhaps it’s not a question of understanding. Perhaps we are so attached to judgment we can’t pass up an easy mark. If Perry was high, it was his own fault he died. And if he wasn’t, isn’t that sad?"

I think it’s natural for people to look at a public situation like this and have thoughts, judgmental, empathetic, whatever.

NP. Of course it’s natural to have a thought, or even a judgment. That is understandable, and OK.

What’s not OK is for people to use their thoughts as facts, and then go parading about the Internet, posting things like “He MUST have been high” or “It’s too bad he couldn’t stay sober.” Keep your thoughts and judgments in your head, at least until facts are known.

If someone parades their life in public, they are going to be judged. It’s an ugly side of publicity but that doesn’t make it okay. First Amendment…

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Anonymous wrote:I am sad regardless of the toxicology report. I am hoping for a clean one because he made it to sobriety. Terrible disease.

I still feel really sad about his death as well. I am hoping the toxicology report comes back clean. I think it will show an antidepressant and maybe something non addictive/controlled like Buspar or Trazodone.

Aren’t those controlled substances?

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Anonymous wrote:For those that say his saying and acting like he was sober means it probably wasn’t current drug use: this former child actor died. He was living in a sober house but his dad said he was struggling with addiction:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/former-child-star-evan-ellingson-dies-at-35/ar-AA1jwksf?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=baaa311f98cc4cec88ba00e54f56ce65&ei=7

We don’t know yet why Perry died, but my cousin’s son struggled for 10 years with a pill addiction. He seemed to clean up his act, became an EMT, and lectured kids on how drugs could have ruined his life forever. In his mid 20s, he was found dead at the fire station sleeping quarters, of a drug overdose. All family and coworkers thought he was clean.

Another friend died of an overdose, found dead at his office desk by his secretary after her lunch break. He’d been a drug addict for years. Lost his wife, his 4 kids and eventually his law license. After a 5 year suspension, it was restored and he appeared to be doing great. Began practicing law again, rebuilt a practice and clientele.

We don’t know, what we don’t know.

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It seems quite common that addicts who get clean overdose as soon as they start again, often the first time. Maybe their body just can't take it again, I don't know.

Often the first time? No- they build a tolerance though and need more and more. Accepting risks is par for the course. But often overdosing the first time after a term of sobriety. I don’t think often is the correct word.

I don’t know if “often” is the right word but it is certainly not uncommon. If they’re used to their formal level of “tolerance” they can easily overdo it.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel really sad when I see the tributes to him. They are mostly of long ago anecdotes and acknowledgment that they had lost touch over the years. I guess he introduced Jonathan Silverman and his wife. They used to text him on their anniversary to thank him. He would write back, best thing I ever did, or something like that. Gag, what self centered people. I know it’s hard to love an addict and no one deserves to be treated poorly by him. But knowing how lonely he was, it just feels really obnoxious to text him about their happiness when he was probably dealing with a lot some of those years. It’s like everyone else grew up, I’m sure some of these people did drugs with him. But he just continued on and ended up so lonely. Really sad.

hmm, I see it differently. I'd be delighted to be remembered for such an important part in another person's life, and grateful they thought of me that way.

He hid his addiction for years so pretty sure no one knew how lonely he was but it part it was his own fault. He brought his loneliness on himself. No one wants to be around an addict and someone drifting in and out of consciousness because they are so high on their drugs.

You are so ignorant. He was prescribed drugs by his doctor for an accident; unfortunately, he quickly became addicted. Those same pills sit unused on my shelf following a surgery because I simply cannot tolerate them. I could easily sell them on the street to someone who would pay their last dollar for something that I couldn’t stomach more than one, simply because that’s genetically, biologically, physiologically how the chips fell for us.

There is a winner of “Survivior” who was in his early 20s when he won the game. He had never had alcohol until the post-ceremony victory party that night. He became addicted to alcohol that night, and very nearly died over many years of heavy drinking. To think that entire cast likely toasted with the same few bottles of champagne. The same champagne that you or I use to celebrate milestones is the very thing that almost destroyed this man. Again, simply because that’s genetically, biologically, physiologically how the chips fell.

Stop with the blame. It doesn’t help. You can’t shame addicts into sobriety. And I am proud of Matthew Perry for fighting for his life, for his sobriety, and for his legacy of helping others do the same.

Is there DNA that makes you an addict? And if it’s truly a disease and you recognize your addiction then you know to stay away from drugs/alcohol just like a diabetic knows to stay away from sugar.

Current science thinks part of it is chemical - low dopamine I think, but it’s often a combination of factors. Nobody chooses to be an addict, and recognizing the addiction or “knowing” to stay away is not always enough to actually stay away from the substance (just like many diabetics over consume sugar). It’s an all-consuming obsession.

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Anonymous wrote:I am sad regardless of the toxicology report. I am hoping for a clean one because he made it to sobriety. Terrible disease.

I still feel really sad about his death as well. I am hoping the toxicology report comes back clean. I think it will show an antidepressant and maybe something non addictive/controlled like Buspar or Trazodone.

Aren’t those controlled substances?

No

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Anonymous wrote:His initial tox screen came back negative. That doesn’t mean he is clean for sure but it does mean he didn’t have any major illicit drugs in his system.

He was addicted to opioids (Vicodin, Oxycodone, etc) not “major illicit drugs.” Heath Ledger’s toxicology screen showed nothing “illicit” but the drugs, including opioids, still killed him.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel really sad when I see the tributes to him. They are mostly of long ago anecdotes and acknowledgment that they had lost touch over the years. I guess he introduced Jonathan Silverman and his wife. They used to text him on their anniversary to thank him. He would write back, best thing I ever did, or something like that. Gag, what self centered people. I know it’s hard to love an addict and no one deserves to be treated poorly by him. But knowing how lonely he was, it just feels really obnoxious to text him about their happiness when he was probably dealing with a lot some of those years. It’s like everyone else grew up, I’m sure some of these people did drugs with him. But he just continued on and ended up so lonely. Really sad.

hmm, I see it differently. I'd be delighted to be remembered for such an important part in another person's life, and grateful they thought of me that way.

He hid his addiction for years so pretty sure no one knew how lonely he was but it part it was his own fault. He brought his loneliness on himself. No one wants to be around an addict and someone drifting in and out of consciousness because they are so high on their drugs.

You are so ignorant. He was prescribed drugs by his doctor for an accident; unfortunately, he quickly became addicted. Those same pills sit unused on my shelf following a surgery because I simply cannot tolerate them. I could easily sell them on the street to someone who would pay their last dollar for something that I couldn’t stomach more than one, simply because that’s genetically, biologically, physiologically how the chips fell for us.

There is a winner of “Survivior” who was in his early 20s when he won the game. He had never had alcohol until the post-ceremony victory party that night. He became addicted to alcohol that night, and very nearly died over many years of heavy drinking. To think that entire cast likely toasted with the same few bottles of champagne. The same champagne that you or I use to celebrate milestones is the very thing that almost destroyed this man. Again, simply because that’s genetically, biologically, physiologically how the chips fell.

Stop with the blame. It doesn’t help. You can’t shame addicts into sobriety. And I am proud of Matthew Perry for fighting for his life, for his sobriety, and for his legacy of helping others do the same.

Is there DNA that makes you an addict? And if it’s truly a disease and you recognize your addiction then you know to stay away from drugs/alcohol just like a diabetic knows to stay away from sugar.

Current science thinks part of it is chemical - low dopamine I think, but it’s often a combination of factors. Nobody chooses to be an addict, and recognizing the addiction or “knowing” to stay away is not always enough to actually stay away from the substance (just like many diabetics over consume sugar). It’s an all-consuming obsession.

It's a lot of things. There's a genetic component for many. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. There's trauma, which is often said to be the ultimate gateway drug. There's age of first use. The brain gets hijacked when it's still developing. And then there's the inherent addictive nature of certain drugs. If you drink every day or take a benzo or an opioid, try stopping cold turkey. It'll mess you up. Now you're using for basic maintenance because you're physiologically dependent. Ultimately you use for the dopamine hit. Brain gets used to it and doesn't make any on its own. Take away the substance suddenly and things are excruciating for a good long while as the brain recalibrates. It's a difficult situation to be in. Your brain is not your friend sometimes

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Anonymous wrote:His initial tox screen came back negative. That doesn’t mean he is clean for sure but it does mean he didn’t have any major illicit drugs in his system.

Illegal drugs were not suspected. That's just the process for the preliminary tox screen, followed by the more in-depth one. He had a number of prescription drugs on hand. The likely culprit, some mix that wasn't good with heat and possible dehydration.