Boundaries assessment update 2023

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Anonymous wrote:Why should someone at Chantilly who spreads misinformation about the feasibility or impact of boundary changes get to weigh in on IB?

Just what "misinformation" are you talking about? Please give examples.

And, as PP said, IB vs AP has a huge impact on lots of issues here. Pupil placement for one affects attitudes on redistricting and enables people to pupil place out of a school they don't like.

IB is more expensive and some of the schools with IB have very few students in the program.
Also, if you start shifting kids from school to school, it has a HUGE impact on students.

Well, for one, the claim that any boundary change involving Chantilly would force kids to travel through a new Carson HS boundaries to get to another high school.

And it’s off-putting for Chantilly posters to churn out reasons why they should never be moved out of CHS but then blithely suggest folks who like IB should no longer have that option.

The bolded was a response to a poster who suggested that Carson High (a high school with kids from Carson Middle) would free up South Lakes, Oakton, and Westfield for Chantilly students. The "Misinformation" cited by the PP is a reference to the response which pointed out that the Carson students are closer to those schools than Chantilly students would be--and that Chantilly students would necessarily have to drive through "Carson High" boundary in order to reach South Lakes or Oakton.

Apparently PP thinks that would be just fine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This year Carson (grades 7-8) had 1358 students, of which 346 were transfers into the school (mostly from Franklin for AAP).

So that suggests a stand-alone Carson MS would have 1012 students and a stand-alone Carson HS (grades 9-12) would have roughly 2025 students. Both viable numbers for a MS and HS.

However, the demographics of a Carson HS would not look like current Carson MS since the Carson MS demographics reflect all the out-of-boundary Asian kids transferring in for AAP. And many parents in that area have repeatedly shown they will fight any school for their kids with less affluent demographics than their current schools.

I think you are forgetting that the purpose of a new Western High School is to relieve the overcrowding at Chantilly and Centreville. Maybe, I am misunderstanding you, but it sounds as though you expect "Carson High" to have the same boundaries as the current Carson Middle School. That does not help Chantilly or Centreville. The only Chantilly kids at Carson are AAP placements.

The school board and the county park authority own publc land. Years ago therewas suppsed be a secondary school in north Reston-Baron Cameron. Build a HS on land at Lake Fairfax or EC Lawrence? The latter is 650 acres. Saudi site next to Carson would have been geat for a Hughes-Souh Lakes style colocated site. Sam cncept as South County-original secondary school expedited via public private partnership and land swaps. Storck even mentioned this sort of project as what could happen for other areas BUT less productive for their cnstituent school board members have dominated at large and magisterial district seats for years.

>>> Saudi site next to Carson would have been geat for a Hughes-Souh Lakes style colocated site.

Carson would probably not have been a colocate. Years ago, the Carson Principal said Carson was designed to be expanded into a secondary. Assuming he was correct, ballfields/stadium would have gone where the Saudi school is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This year Carson (grades 7-8) had 1358 students, of which 346 were transfers into the school (mostly from Franklin for AAP).

So that suggests a stand-alone Carson MS would have 1012 students and a stand-alone Carson HS (grades 9-12) would have roughly 2025 students. Both viable numbers for a MS and HS.

However, the demographics of a Carson HS would not look like current Carson MS since the Carson MS demographics reflect all the out-of-boundary Asian kids transferring in for AAP. And many parents in that area have repeatedly shown they will fight any school for their kids with less affluent demographics than their current schools.

I think you are forgetting that the purpose of a new Western High School is to relieve the overcrowding at Chantilly and Centreville. Maybe, I am misunderstanding you, but it sounds as though you expect "Carson High" to have the same boundaries as the current Carson Middle School. That does not help Chantilly or Centreville. The only Chantilly kids at Carson are AAP placements.

The school board and the county park authority own publc land. Years ago therewas suppsed be a secondary school in north Reston-Baron Cameron. Build a HS on land at Lake Fairfax or EC Lawrence? The latter is 650 acres. Saudi site next to Carson would have been geat for a Hughes-Souh Lakes style colocated site. Sam cncept as South County-original secondary school expedited via public private partnership and land swaps. Storck even mentioned this sort of project as what could happen for other areas BUT less productive for their cnstituent school board members have dominated at large and magisterial district seats for years.

>>> Saudi site next to Carson would have been geat for a Hughes-Souh Lakes style colocated site.

Carson would probably not have been a colocate. Years ago, the Carson Principal said Carson was designed to be expanded into a secondary. Assuming he was correct, ballfields/stadium would have gone where the Saudi school is.

Yes. it would have been a logical site. However, that ship has sailed. Thanks to the BOS and the School Board. They probably had pressure from State Dept. There was NO community input.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why should someone at Chantilly who spreads misinformation about the feasibility or impact of boundary changes get to weigh in on IB?

Just what "misinformation" are you talking about? Please give examples.

And, as PP said, IB vs AP has a huge impact on lots of issues here. Pupil placement for one affects attitudes on redistricting and enables people to pupil place out of a school they don't like.

IB is more expensive and some of the schools with IB have very few students in the program.
Also, if you start shifting kids from school to school, it has a HUGE impact on students.

That's a bit of a hyperbole. Kids aren't going to be shifted around school to school in a disarray as you imply. There are years of advanced notice and then phased implementation as kids "age out" of the changes while they remain in their original pyramid.

The impact of switching is close to none, because the actual transitions would be natural anyway.

clueless. Obviously doesn't know anyone who ended up with kids in different high schools as a result of redistricting. It is extremely disruptive. And, do you really think it would go smoothly in Fairfax County?

Disruptive to you as a parent to have two kids in different schools, but not disruptive to the kids if they start high school in 9th grade.

[Anonymous]

Look, I'm just an Oakton mom whose kid is constantly complaining about how long it takes etc get to school and is all "when I turn 16, I want a car to make get faster" and sorry, buddy, nope not going to happen. Not when your parents' cars are 9 and 13 years old, LOL.

[Anonymous]

Does the Kent gardens boundary assessment mean some kids may be redistricted from the McLean pyramid to the Langley pyramid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does the Kent gardens boundary assessment mean some kids may be redistricted from the McLean pyramid to the Langley pyramid?

Seems unlikely since the KG overcrowding can be addressed without changing the MS or HS assignments. There has been some suggestion they’ll reassign the very small number of kids at Franklin Sherman who currently go to Cooper/Langley to Churchill Road instead. That is only feasible if parts of KG move to FS, since the enrollment at FS is low.

Another possibility is that they’ll change the AAP assignments so that CR is no longer the AAP center for KG. They could make Haycock the AAP center for KG and CR the AAP center for FS. Again, that would not change any MS/HS assignments.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why should someone at Chantilly who spreads misinformation about the feasibility or impact of boundary changes get to weigh in on IB?

Just what "misinformation" are you talking about? Please give examples.

And, as PP said, IB vs AP has a huge impact on lots of issues here. Pupil placement for one affects attitudes on redistricting and enables people to pupil place out of a school they don't like.

IB is more expensive and some of the schools with IB have very few students in the program.
Also, if you start shifting kids from school to school, it has a HUGE impact on students.

That's a bit of a hyperbole. Kids aren't going to be shifted around school to school in a disarray as you imply. There are years of advanced notice and then phased implementation as kids "age out" of the changes while they remain in their original pyramid.

The impact of switching is close to none, because the actual transitions would be natural anyway.

clueless. Obviously doesn't know anyone who ended up with kids in different high schools as a result of redistricting. It is extremely disruptive. And, do you really think it would go smoothly in Fairfax County?

Disruptive to you as a parent to have two kids in different schools, but not disruptive to the kids if they start high school in 9th grade.

What is disruptive to a family is also disruptive to kids. Activities in two different schools, transportation to those activities, participation in those activities, etc. Different schedules for buses, etc. Double expense on spirit wear, too. Double PTA membership. Double everything. Two sets of administrators. My kids had the same principal and counselors in their high school sub-school.

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Anonymous wrote:We need a new high school in 20171. What would make the most sense would be to turn Carson into a high school and build a new middle school nearby.

New on this forum, aren't you? The SB sold the property adjacent to Carson--which was intended for the new high school. It would have made sense--but then, it would have been difficult to continue to send Carson students to South Lakes and Oakton. Wonder if that had anything to do with the decision.

This poster seems to be suggesting something different. Forget about co-locating a new high school with RC. Make RC a HS and instead build a new middle school somewhere.

But,that does not solve the problem of where to find the property. That is also the problem of where to put the high school.

Carson was not a particularly good location for a middle school--Franklin is extremely close to it. 1.6 miles by road, less as the crow flies.

Yes, which is why it makes sense to turn it into the high school and build a middle school in Oakton, Oak Hill, or Reston. Buy a horse farm or something.

I think what would make sense is to convert Carson MS into a high school serving the Oak Hill area (boundaries would be similar to the current Carson boundaries, but probably not identical). Then Franklin MS will serve as the feeder MS for this high school, serving the same area. Then you would need to build a replacement for Franklin MS somewhere further east, which is I think what this poster was getting at with the horse farms. This replacement Franklin MS would be more centrally located in its boundary, but I don't know that there is any obvious land in that area to use.

What horse farms are further EAST of Franklin? Further east would be Fairfax City.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look, I'm just an Oakton mom whose kid is constantly complaining about how long it takes etc get to school and is all "when I turn 16, I want a car to make get faster" and sorry, buddy, nope not going to happen. Not when your parents' cars are 9 and 13 years old, LOL.

They've already reduced the boundary of that school. The school was placed improperly. It should have gone closer to Fair Oaks where the police center was built. Another failed real estate decision by the BOS.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, I'm just an Oakton mom whose kid is constantly complaining about how long it takes etc get to school and is all "when I turn 16, I want a car to make get faster" and sorry, buddy, nope not going to happen. Not when your parents' cars are 9 and 13 years old, LOL.

They've already reduced the boundary of that school. The school was placed improperly. It should have gone closer to Fair Oaks where the police center was built. Another failed real estate decision by the BOS.

Which school are you talking about? These weren’t recent decisions - Oakton was built in the late 60s and Chantilly in the 70s.

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Anonymous wrote:We need a new high school in 20171. What would make the most sense would be to turn Carson into a high school and build a new middle school nearby.

New on this forum, aren't you? The SB sold the property adjacent to Carson--which was intended for the new high school. It would have made sense--but then, it would have been difficult to continue to send Carson students to South Lakes and Oakton. Wonder if that had anything to do with the decision.

This poster seems to be suggesting something different. Forget about co-locating a new high school with RC. Make RC a HS and instead build a new middle school somewhere.

But,that does not solve the problem of where to find the property. That is also the problem of where to put the high school.

Carson was not a particularly good location for a middle school--Franklin is extremely close to it. 1.6 miles by road, less as the crow flies.

How would this relieve overcrowding in Chantilly and Centreville?

Yes, which is why it makes sense to turn it into the high school and build a middle school in Oakton, Oak Hill, or Reston. Buy a horse farm or something.

I think what would make sense is to convert Carson MS into a high school serving the Oak Hill area (boundaries would be similar to the current Carson boundaries, but probably not identical). Then Franklin MS will serve as the feeder MS for this high school, serving the same area. Then you would need to build a replacement for Franklin MS somewhere further east, which is I think what this poster was getting at with the horse farms. This replacement Franklin MS would be more centrally located in its boundary, but I don't know that there is any obvious land in that area to use.

What horse farms are further EAST of Franklin? Further east would be Fairfax City.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We need a new high school in 20171. What would make the most sense would be to turn Carson into a high school and build a new middle school nearby.

New on this forum, aren't you? The SB sold the property adjacent to Carson--which was intended for the new high school. It would have made sense--but then, it would have been difficult to continue to send Carson students to South Lakes and Oakton. Wonder if that had anything to do with the decision.

This poster seems to be suggesting something different. Forget about co-locating a new high school with RC. Make RC a HS and instead build a new middle school somewhere.

But,that does not solve the problem of where to find the property. That is also the problem of where to put the high school.

Carson was not a particularly good location for a middle school--Franklin is extremely close to it. 1.6 miles by road, less as the crow flies.

+1 The horse farms are actually West--in Loudoun County.

How would this relieve overcrowding in Chantilly and Centreville?

Yes, which is why it makes sense to turn it into the high school and build a middle school in Oakton, Oak Hill, or Reston. Buy a horse farm or something.

I think what would make sense is to convert Carson MS into a high school serving the Oak Hill area (boundaries would be similar to the current Carson boundaries, but probably not identical). Then Franklin MS will serve as the feeder MS for this high school, serving the same area. Then you would need to build a replacement for Franklin MS somewhere further east, which is I think what this poster was getting at with the horse farms. This replacement Franklin MS would be more centrally located in its boundary, but I don't know that there is any obvious land in that area to use.

What horse farms are further EAST of Franklin? Further east would be Fairfax City.

[Anonymous]

Any latest updates, anyone?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any latest updates, anyone?

I'm still waiting to hear about the idea of using horse farms further east of Franklin. Where are there horse farms further east?